Endless war and the demoralization of the American public

[Nicholas_1982]

14 years since 9/11.

This week we learned that our president is sending special forces as well as stepping up air missions in Syria. Now this is not actually new, we have had so called military advisors on the ground in Syria attempting to train rebels to fight for us. We have also been bombing ISIS positions in Syria. What is different is that now it's official, combat boots on the ground.

Don't worry, you probably missed the announcement because most all news has been covering how unfair the CNBC debate was.

This is the downward spiral we see in our war doctrine. a 14 year war on terror. The invasion of a soverign nation and the removal of its leader. A massive unmanned aerial war led by predator drones equipped with hellfire missles. A surveillance state that has abolished any expectation of privacy in our communications and internet searches. An assassination program that targeted and killed 2 U.S. citizens without due process. War crimes against captured combatants. The rendition program. Selling military hardware that is then used against us. A proxy war with Iran and now Russia.

We as citizens have allowed our political leaders to do basically whatever the hell they want with no accountability.

But why have we done this?

Well, I believe part of it is because we have been at war so long now we as citizens just don't care for the most part. We have become so numbed and disillusioned that we have given the government a blank check.

If their was a draft tomorrow people would wake up for sure. If the police walked into your house without a warrant and put wiretapping devices on your phone and computer people would wake up for sure.

Unfortunately we are so disconnected from what is happening that we choose not to think about it. And when the general public does start to think about it the government just waves the flag and yells terrorism a little bit so we become complacent.

Heroes exist in this world and some wear a battle dress uniform, but some also sit at their home computers.

Edward Snowden
Chelsea Manning
Jeremy Scahill
Glen Greenwald

these are heroes that have come to be demonized because they choose to hold the government accountable

 

[Nicholas_1982]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The Patriot act both supported by Bush and Obama. Obama keeping ground troops in Afghanistan, NSA surveillance both bush and obama love, drone strikes both bush and obama love. selling guns to "rebels" and then those guns end up being used against us, bush and obama policies

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

14 years since 9/11.

This week we learned that our president is sending special forces as well as stepping up air missions in Syria. Now this is not actually new, we have had so called military advisors on the ground in Syria attempting to train rebels to fight for us. We have also been bombing ISIS positions in Syria. What is different is that now it's official, combat boots on the ground.

Don't worry, you probably missed the announcement because most all news has been covering how unfair the CNBC debate was.

This is the downward spiral we see in our war doctrine. a 14 year war on terror. The invasion of a soverign nation and the removal of its leader. A massive unmanned aerial war led by predator drones equipped with hellfire missles. A surveillance state that has abolished any expectation of privacy in our communications and internet searches. An assassination program that targeted and killed 2 U.S. citizens without due process. War crimes against captured combatants. The rendition program. Selling military hardware that is then used against us. A proxy war with Iran and now Russia.

We as citizens have allowed our political leaders to do basically whatever the hell they want with no accountability.

But why have we done this?

Well, I believe part of it is because we have been at war so long now we as citizens just don't care for the most part. We have become so numbed and disillusioned that we have given the government a blank check.

If their was a draft tomorrow people would wake up for sure. If the police walked into your house without a warrant and put wiretapping devices on your phone and computer people would wake up for sure.

Unfortunately we are so disconnected from what is happening that we choose not to think about it. And when the general public does start to think about it the government just waves the flag and yells terrorism a little bit so we become complacent.

Heroes exist in this world and some wear a battle dress uniform, but some also sit at their home computers.

Edward Snowden
Chelsea Manning
Jeremy Scahill
Glen Greenwald

these are heroes that have come to be demonized because they choose to hold the government accountable

War is not the problem. A government reluctant to prosecute war expeditiously and with finality is.

We will see in the upcoming election what the electorate cares about. I am not encouraged.

 

[jwoodie]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The ironic thing is that you still blame Bush after all these years. "Endless wars" usually result from from Democratic Presidents playing politics to placate the left wing of their party, not really wanting to win but afraid of losing.

Bush invaded Iraq because Sadaam was refusing to allow inspections for WMDs. The fact that he either didn't have them or hid them was not discovered until after the fact. A more legitimate criticism of Bush was his naive belief in rebuilding Iraq into a modern functioning democracy. However, Obama's hell-bent intention to turn our military victory into a defeat makes this a moot point anyway. This "endless war" now belongs to him.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

I agree, war is a necessary evil at times. What I am arguing is the length of this war and the corresponding affect it has on the population. I think the length of this Middle East war has contributed greatly to the mismanagement and abuses we see

 

[Avorysuds]

Dems are the #1 war party in America.... Quick, lets talk about the GOP clown car!

 

[Nicholas_1982]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The ironic thing is that you still blame Bush after all these years. "Endless wars" usually result from from Democratic Presidents playing politics to placate the left wing of their party, not really wanting to win but afraid of losing.

Bush invaded Iraq because Sadaam was refusing to allow inspections for WMDs. The fact that he either didn't have them or hid them was not discovered until after the fact. A more legitimate criticism of Bush was his naive belief in rebuilding Iraq into a modern functioning democracy. However, Obama's hell-bent intention to turn our military victory into a defeat makes this a moot point anyway. This "endless war" now belongs to him.

I am not blaming bush. I am blame the Liberal partisan hacks who blame bush and make excuses for Obama. If the left wing arguement is that Bush is a war criminal which I often hear, Obama has not made it any better. Point in fact, both are probably war criminals if we really want to go down that path.

For the vast majority of policy decisions I prefer to blame congress. The decision to go into Iraq in the first place was a bipartisan agreement

 

[Nicholas_1982]

Dems are the #1 war party in America.... Quick, lets talk about the GOP clown car!

explain please

 

[Pogo]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The Patriot act both supported by Bush and Obama. Obama keeping ground troops in Afghanistan, NSA surveillance both bush and obama love, drone strikes both bush and obama love. selling guns to "rebels" and then those guns end up being used against us, bush and obama policies

All too true. I keep saying, we don't have two parties; we have one party that dresses up half its members in red and the other half in blue, and then we're supposed to pretend these puppets are made out of different things.

 

[Rustic]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The Patriot act both supported by Bush and Obama. Obama keeping ground troops in Afghanistan, NSA surveillance both bush and obama love, drone strikes both bush and obama love. selling guns to "rebels" and then those guns end up being used against us, bush and obama policies

All too true. I keep saying, we don't have two parties; we have one party that dresses up half its members in red and the other half in blue, and then we're supposed to pretend these puppets are made out of different things.

Ya, they are called moderates...

 

[Nicholas_1982]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The Patriot act both supported by Bush and Obama. Obama keeping ground troops in Afghanistan, NSA surveillance both bush and obama love, drone strikes both bush and obama love. selling guns to "rebels" and then those guns end up being used against us, bush and obama policies

All too true. I keep saying, we don't have two parties; we have one party that dresses up half its members in red and the other half in blue, and then we're supposed to pretend these puppets are made out of different things.

Ya, they are called moderates...

wait what? moderates are those who blame bush and give obama a free pass?

 

[initforme]

Those that are in love with sending our troops to war should make sure their kids enlist.

 

[jwoodie]

Those that are in love with sending our troops to war should make sure their kids enlist.

Feel the same way about police and fire fighters?

 

[Rustic]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The Patriot act both supported by Bush and Obama. Obama keeping ground troops in Afghanistan, NSA surveillance both bush and obama love, drone strikes both bush and obama love. selling guns to "rebels" and then those guns end up being used against us, bush and obama policies

All too true. I keep saying, we don't have two parties; we have one party that dresses up half its members in red and the other half in blue, and then we're supposed to pretend these puppets are made out of different things.

Ya, they are called moderates...

wait what? moderates are those who blame bush and give obama a free pass?

Pretty much, they all say you have to compromise all along they always have a horse in the race.

Then they cry about no one willing to trust the government, spineless.

 

[Rustic]

Those that are in love with sending our troops to war should make sure their kids enlist.

Feel the same way about police and fire fighters?

Progressives every decision they make is always a situational one, that meaning their situation dictates their morals and ethics.

The meaning of spineless...

 

[Pogo]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The Patriot act both supported by Bush and Obama. Obama keeping ground troops in Afghanistan, NSA surveillance both bush and obama love, drone strikes both bush and obama love. selling guns to "rebels" and then those guns end up being used against us, bush and obama policies

All too true. I keep saying, we don't have two parties; we have one party that dresses up half its members in red and the other half in blue, and then we're supposed to pretend these puppets are made out of different things.

Ya, they are called moderates...

wait what? moderates are those who blame bush and give obama a free pass?

I couldn't make any sense out of that post either.

Antler-boy ain't the sharpest knife if you know what I mean.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

moderates are a dying breed. What were once moderate republicans have moved to the far right dragging democrats to where moderate republicans used to be. Moderate democrats are really only 4 people and they have been labeled communist socialists. The proof is in the policies, democrats, well most democrats, have abandoned liberalism and republicans have doubled down on ultraconservative ideals. primarily because of the tea party dragging them farther to the right.

Look at the democratic candidates for president. Hilary is a war hawk, a corporate proxy, has no legislative proposals on gun control, has been openly outspoken against gay marriage, doesn't support campaign finance reform etc etc. The only truly liberal candidate is a self proclaimed socialist

 

[Rustic]

The ironic thing is that partisan hacks will say Bush did this or Obama did that but what you don't realize is that Obama is an extension of Bush on foreign policy. They are identical.

The Patriot act both supported by Bush and Obama. Obama keeping ground troops in Afghanistan, NSA surveillance both bush and obama love, drone strikes both bush and obama love. selling guns to "rebels" and then those guns end up being used against us, bush and obama policies

All too true. I keep saying, we don't have two parties; we have one party that dresses up half its members in red and the other half in blue, and then we're supposed to pretend these puppets are made out of different things.

Ya, they are called moderates...

wait what? moderates are those who blame bush and give obama a free pass?

I couldn't make any sense out of that post either.

Antler-boy ain't the sharpest knife if you know what I mean.

Breaking news to you Washington is broken, due to moderates/progressives making up the "Washington DC party".
You know, the spineless ones??

 

[Katzndogz]

As long as the obastard is presidunce, we should have no one in the middle east at all. No country should ever fight a war they have no intention of winning.

 

[Nicholas_1982]

As long as the obastard is presidunce, we should have no one in the middle east at all. No country should ever fight a war they have no intention of winning.

As much as I hate Barack Obama and his middle east policies, I must defend him here. he has been a terrorist/civilian killing machine with his massive expansion of the drone murder program. To say that Obama has been soft on killing muslims in the middle east is a huge fallacy