Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

[bripat9643]

The answer is always simple. Give industry the environmental specs which they must meet, and it finds a way to make a profit, as revealed by orogenicman above.

Sure. What difference does it make if the price of their product is 10 times what it was before the EPA issued its regulations, right asshole?

They could make products much cheaper if they were allowed to dump waste right into the river like they used to

No one is suggesting that, dumbass.

 

[bripat9643]

So why would you want to abolish the EPA and get rid of environmental laws?

Let's see, the abuse of power common to the cult of Leftism that populates it, comes to mind.

Remove the Left, remove all regulations which did not originate in Congress and presto.., the EPA is fine.

I don't know if they have to originate in Congress, but they should certainly be voted on by Congress - every last one of them.

 

[rightwinger]

The answer is always simple. Give industry the environmental specs which they must meet, and it finds a way to make a profit, as revealed by orogenicman above.

Sure. What difference does it make if the price of their product is 10 times what it was before the EPA issued its regulations, right asshole?

They could make products much cheaper if they were allowed to dump waste right into the river like they used to

No one is suggesting that, dumbass.

Of course not.......just a little bit won't hurt

You will hardly notice

 

[PaintMyHouse]

The answer is always simple. Give industry the environmental specs which they must meet, and it finds a way to make a profit, as revealed by orogenicman above.

Sure. What difference does it make if the price of their product is 10 times what it was before the EPA issued its regulations, right asshole?

They could make products much cheaper if they were allowed to dump waste right into the river like they used to

No one is suggesting that, dumbass.

Really, Mr. Society doesn't exist? Show us this respect for government and regulation, that you you don't fucking have.

And here's his answer, before he even says it, that won't happen because people would get mad so not to worry, businessmen would never do such a thing, even though they always fucking have.

 

[bripat9643]

The answer is always simple. Give industry the environmental specs which they must meet, and it finds a way to make a profit, as revealed by orogenicman above.

Sure. What difference does it make if the price of their product is 10 times what it was before the EPA issued its regulations, right asshole?

They could make products much cheaper if they were allowed to dump waste right into the river like they used to

No one is suggesting that, dumbass.

Of course not.......just a little bit won't hurt

You will hardly notice

Zero emissions isn't technically or economically feasible, you astounding dolt.

 

[MaryL]

I have lived in America for almost 60 years. And, NO, the environment is NOT clean at all, in fact , I would like to know what planet you are living on?

 

[bripat9643]

I have lived in America for almost 60 years. And, NO, the environment is NOT clean at all, in fact , I would like to know what planet you are living on?

"Clean" is not an absolute state. It's a relative position. And, yes, the environment is a hell of a lot cleaner than it was 50 years ago. You have to be incredibly stupid not to understand that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The answer is always simple. Give industry the environmental specs which they must meet, and it finds a way to make a profit, as revealed by orogenicman above.

Sure. What difference does it make if the price of their product is 10 times what it was before the EPA issued its regulations, right asshole?

They could make products much cheaper if they were allowed to dump waste right into the river like they used to

No one is suggesting that, dumbass.

Of course not.......just a little bit won't hurt

You will hardly notice

Zero emissions isn't technically or economically feasible, you astounding dolt.

Only you are saying that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And it is cleaner because of rigulations: thank you for admitting that, bripat.

 

[rdean]

I know this will drive the environmental wackos. "How dare anyone claim the environment is clean!"

Michigan s Environment is Cleaner than it s Been in More than 100 Years Michigan Capitol Confidential

Michigan's Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

Disease, contamination and pollutants are mostly in the past while

Many people view the relationship between humans and nature as a zero-sum game: Our progress comes at the direct expense of the environment. Actually, that’s not the case.


Recently, we’ve been able to dramatically improve our standard of living while simultaneously leaving behind a cleaner environment. In fact, Michigan’s environment is arguably cleaner than it has been in more than 100 years.


Consider how clean our drinking water has become. In the early 20th century, waterborne infectious diseases such as cholera, dysentery and typhoid were leading causes of death, and typhoid epidemics annually sickened thousands in American cities. With technological leaps in filtration – now to the level of filtering microbes and chemical compounds, disinfection and water analysis – these waterborne illnesses have been practically eradicated in Michigan and the United States.

The water in our rivers, lakes and streams is also less contaminated than it used to be. Treated wastewater and storm water contain significantly lower levels of contaminants, as technology and control systems have advanced. Some wastewater treatment plants in Michigan discharge water of higher quality than their receiving streams. For example, the PARCC Side Clean Water Plant in Plainfield, Michigan discharges four million gallons of water per day into the Grand River that is of better quality than the river’s water. Other Michigan treatment plants can also produce effluents better than river water much of the time.


Wildlife habitats are improving, too. In a 2010 Detroit News article, Jim Lynch chronicled the repopulation of wildlife around Detroit, writing, “After decades of struggling to overcome the Detroit River’s polluted past, a variety of fish and bird species have re-established themselves ... [t]he budding osprey population is joined by increasing numbers of walleye, lake sturgeon and whitefish as well as bird species like the bald eagle and peregrine falcon.”​

Which is why Republicans want to abolish the EPA. Too clean isn't their natural habitat.

 

[orogenicman]

The answer is always simple. Give industry the environmental specs which they must meet, and it finds a way to make a profit, as revealed by orogenicman above.

Sure. What difference does it make if the price of their product is 10 times what it was before the EPA issued its regulations, right asshole?

Name one product that is now ten times the price it was before the EPA regs took effect and that is a result of those regs.

 

[orogenicman]

So why would you want to abolish the EPA and get rid of environmental laws?

Let's see, the abuse of power common to the cult of Leftism that populates it, comes to mind.

Remove the Left, remove all regulations which did not originate in Congress and presto.., the EPA is fine.

EPA regulations are a result of Congressional and court mandates. All of them.

 

[orogenicman]

Yup. True entrepreneurs can establish their business environmentally sound. Those that can't shouldn't be up and running.

That's ignores the point that environmental regulations drive up the cost of the product.

Except that you can provide not one single instance where this is the case.

 

[orogenicman]

The answer is always simple. Give industry the environmental specs which they must meet, and it finds a way to make a profit, as revealed by orogenicman above.

Sure. What difference does it make if the price of their product is 10 times what it was before the EPA issued its regulations, right asshole?

They could make products much cheaper if they were allowed to dump waste right into the river like they used to

No one is suggesting that, dumbass.

Of course not.......just a little bit won't hurt

You will hardly notice

Zero emissions isn't technically or economically feasible, you astounding dolt.

Zero emissions have never been a mandate, by any government agency, ever. Next.

 

[JakeStarkey]

orogenicman is running bripat like a dogie afraid of the branding iron.

The fact remains the environment is cleaner because of regulations and business isnot bankrupt.

 

[GreenBean]

After all, if it's as clean as it was in 1914, then why do we need more environmental regulations?

How clean was the environment in 1914 compared to 1814 or 1714?

There was probably very little difference.

Environmental issues didn't begin rearing their heads till well into the Industrial Revolution early 20th Century - by the 60s it was becoming evident that things were becoming a little messy - the tree huggers started come down off their LSD trips and the Liberal Zombies and anarchistic rabble rousers found another issue to throw around. However it is apparent that the environment is becoming cleaner in the US at least.

 

[AntiParty]

I know this will drive the environmental wackos. "How dare anyone claim the environment is clean!"

Michigan s Environment is Cleaner than it s Been in More than 100 Years Michigan Capitol Confidential

Michigan's Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

Disease, contamination and pollutants are mostly in the past while

Many people view the relationship between humans and nature as a zero-sum game: Our progress comes at the direct expense of the environment. Actually, that’s not the case.


Recently, we’ve been able to dramatically improve our standard of living while simultaneously leaving behind a cleaner environment. In fact, Michigan’s environment is arguably cleaner than it has been in more than 100 years.


Consider how clean our drinking water has become. In the early 20th century, waterborne infectious diseases such as cholera, dysentery and typhoid were leading causes of death, and typhoid epidemics annually sickened thousands in American cities. With technological leaps in filtration – now to the level of filtering microbes and chemical compounds, disinfection and water analysis – these waterborne illnesses have been practically eradicated in Michigan and the United States.

The water in our rivers, lakes and streams is also less contaminated than it used to be. Treated wastewater and storm water contain significantly lower levels of contaminants, as technology and control systems have advanced. Some wastewater treatment plants in Michigan discharge water of higher quality than their receiving streams. For example, the PARCC Side Clean Water Plant in Plainfield, Michigan discharges four million gallons of water per day into the Grand River that is of better quality than the river’s water. Other Michigan treatment plants can also produce effluents better than river water much of the time.


Wildlife habitats are improving, too. In a 2010 Detroit News article, Jim Lynch chronicled the repopulation of wildlife around Detroit, writing, “After decades of struggling to overcome the Detroit River’s polluted past, a variety of fish and bird species have re-established themselves ... [t]he budding osprey population is joined by increasing numbers of walleye, lake sturgeon and whitefish as well as bird species like the bald eagle and peregrine falcon.”​

Ours is. China's isn't.

Watching people strive to be like China where they work for 50cents (USD) and hour in order to stay competitive globally and watching them have "Smog days" out of school should teach the weak minded, but.....

So those all the only two alternatives: regulate ourselves into bankruptcy or turn into China?

Do you turds understand why no one pays attention to your idiocies any longer?

Straw man argument. Try again.

Wrong, it's not a stawman argument. You obviously aren't capable of committing logic. No wonder you're an environmental wacko.

It is a strawman argument because the only one making that argument is you, not people like me. We can and have lived for quite some time with those environmental regulations with great success. Nissan, for example, recycles some 97% of its waste, waste that it is actually making money off of. They actually do more than is required by the regulations because it is a successful business model. In the 1990s The State of Kentucky imposed a moratorium on class 1 injection wells because they were damaging the environment. Dupont, which had been injecting raw HCL into fractured dolomite 3,000 feet below the City of Louisville filed for a restraining order, and lost. Then they 'magically' discovered that there was a process that could recover the waste HCL and turn it into a viable product. So they did that and made money off of what was once a waste product. The fact is that they were pumping a viable product into the ground for years because it was the easiest thing to do, and they weren't in the HCL business. Now they are.

The fact is that most corporations have found ways to offset the costs of environmental regulations and many even market how "green" they are. And so the ones who today are complaining the loudest about the regs are likely the ones causing the worst problems. And so perhaps they should be regulated more intensely. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, dude.

"It is a strawman argument because the only one making that argument is you, not people like me"

You don't know what "strawman argument" means. And you don't know where Nissan works.

 

[AntiParty]

I know this will drive the environmental wackos. "How dare anyone claim the environment is clean!"

Michigan s Environment is Cleaner than it s Been in More than 100 Years Michigan Capitol Confidential

Michigan's Environment is Cleaner Than it's Been in More Than 100 Years

Disease, contamination and pollutants are mostly in the past while

Many people view the relationship between humans and nature as a zero-sum game: Our progress comes at the direct expense of the environment. Actually, that’s not the case.


Recently, we’ve been able to dramatically improve our standard of living while simultaneously leaving behind a cleaner environment. In fact, Michigan’s environment is arguably cleaner than it has been in more than 100 years.


Consider how clean our drinking water has become. In the early 20th century, waterborne infectious diseases such as cholera, dysentery and typhoid were leading causes of death, and typhoid epidemics annually sickened thousands in American cities. With technological leaps in filtration – now to the level of filtering microbes and chemical compounds, disinfection and water analysis – these waterborne illnesses have been practically eradicated in Michigan and the United States.

The water in our rivers, lakes and streams is also less contaminated than it used to be. Treated wastewater and storm water contain significantly lower levels of contaminants, as technology and control systems have advanced. Some wastewater treatment plants in Michigan discharge water of higher quality than their receiving streams. For example, the PARCC Side Clean Water Plant in Plainfield, Michigan discharges four million gallons of water per day into the Grand River that is of better quality than the river’s water. Other Michigan treatment plants can also produce effluents better than river water much of the time.


Wildlife habitats are improving, too. In a 2010 Detroit News article, Jim Lynch chronicled the repopulation of wildlife around Detroit, writing, “After decades of struggling to overcome the Detroit River’s polluted past, a variety of fish and bird species have re-established themselves ... [t]he budding osprey population is joined by increasing numbers of walleye, lake sturgeon and whitefish as well as bird species like the bald eagle and peregrine falcon.”​

Ours is. China's isn't.

Watching people strive to be like China where they work for 50cents (USD) and hour in order to stay competitive globally and watching them have "Smog days" out of school should teach the weak minded, but.....

So those all the only two alternatives: regulate ourselves into bankruptcy or turn into China?

Do you turds understand why no one pays attention to your idiocies any longer?

Only you are saying regulate into bankruptcy.

Everyone else appears to understand the subject, while you have not a clue.

A robust economy and a clean, healthy environment are both possible.

OF course the environmental wacko fascists are never going to admit they intend to regulate this country into bankruptcy, but when we look at the regulations Obama has implemented, that's the only conclusion we can reasonably make.

We already have a clean environment. Any further regulations can only have the intent of destroying the economy.

Environmentalists don't admit to your straw man because, well, it's a straw man.

This kid has to be a Left Winger trying to sabotage the brand....

 

[bripat9643]

orogenicman is running bripat like a dogie afraid of the branding iron.

The fact remains the environment is cleaner because of regulations and business isnot bankrupt.

That isn't what is being debated, you senile imbecile.

 

[AntiParty]

Cleaner than its been in the last 100 years?

No wonder conservatives want to abolish the EPA

limiting its power and abolishing it are two very different things, dipshit.

Of course....as long as the EPA does not get in the way of Big Oil, conservatives are OK

I have "The Worlds Book of Knowledge" written in 1900 that discusses the electric buggies and how they are more economical than the gas buggies..

What I read about land the people here don't want to know.