Euthanasia

[PoliticalChic]

I love Euthanasia.

it has been very succesfull in the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland.

And should I ever get a glioblastrom I would insist on having the option of ending my life.

Why wait?

While you are waiting....have someone explain the OP to you.....what if you don't give your consent?

Then I wont be killed.

Du bist ein Esel....

From the OP: "... there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…."

 

[PoliticalChic]

We get it. You hate liberals.

We???

You have a tapeworm?


When will Liberals develop the stones to stand up by themselves, without the euphemistic "we"?

Ever?

 

[The Germans are coming]

I love Euthanasia.

it has been very succesfull in the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland.

And should I ever get a glioblastrom I would insist on having the option of ending my life.

Why wait?

While you are waiting....have someone explain the OP to you.....what if you don't give your consent?

Then I wont be killed.

Du bist ein Esel....

From the OP: "... there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…."

What is the source of that information?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Whether it be genocide, gulags, abortions, death panels, inseparable from Leftist doctrine...communism, Liberalism, whatever....all represent how insignificant human life is to Leftist worldviews.


They laughed when the Right pointed out that ObamaCare included rationing and Death Panels...but last week the architect of ObamaCare, Dr.Zeke Emanuel came out an said that at 75, time to die.

" If Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel doesn’t die by age 75, should he get the Death Panel?"
Ezekiel Emanuel Obamacare people should die at age 75




And the facilitation for that view is that none of Leftist iterations view religion as important, or even necessary.


1. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there.
Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’


2. "There is no God: This concept is an essential element of Marxism.
As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."
If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."
The Schwarz Report Essays

a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
"The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression," by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin , p.123-124.





3. And just one more example of that view is the murder endorsed by Liberal governments, Euthanasia.
Philosopher Helga Kuhse: "'Euthanasia' is a compound of two Greek words - eu and thanatos meaning, literally, 'a good death'. Today, 'euthanasia' is generally understood to mean the bringing about of a good death - 'mercy killing,' where one person, A, ends the life of another person, B, for the sake of B."
Euthanasia Fact Sheet The World Federation of Right to Die Societies

What if they don't ask B's permission? Wouldn't that make it murder?





4. In 1984, Holland legalized euthanasia, the right of Dutch doctors to kill their elderly patients. Would they do so based on their whim?

a. “The Dutch survey, reviewed in the Journal of Medical Ethics, looked at the figures for 1995 and found that as well as 3,600 authorized cases there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…. they thought they were acting in the patient's best interests.”
Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland

b. Euthanasia, as Dr. Peggy Norris observed with some asperity, "cannot be controlled." If this is so, why is Harris so sure that stem-cell research can be controlled? And if it cannot be controlled, just what is irrational about religious objections to social policies that when they reach the bottom of the slippery slope are bound to embody something Dutch, degraded, and disgusting? How many scientific atheists, I wonder, propose to spend their old age in Holland?"
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

Growing old in Amsterdam amoung the Dutch would be worth the risk.

How about if I get to make the decision for you?

Just pretend I'm 'Liberal big government'.....then it'd be fine, huh?

You would never be in charge, so there is no worry.

Not unless we become a meritocracy......

 

[PoliticalChic]

I love Euthanasia.

it has been very succesfull in the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland.

And should I ever get a glioblastrom I would insist on having the option of ending my life.

Why wait?

While you are waiting....have someone explain the OP to you.....what if you don't give your consent?

Then I wont be killed.

Du bist ein Esel....

From the OP: "... there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…."

What is the source of that information?

As lazy as you are, euthanasia is the least of your worries....you might just decide not to breathe.

Go read the OP....it's in there.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. ".... euthanasia was legalised in Quebec -- for the first time in North America -- and a nurse in Belgium has been arrested for having killed 40 or more patients out of compassion.

“I want to congratulate ourselves as parliamentarians,” said one politician. “Quebec is a beautiful society, and again today Quebec has just shown that we are really, really a different society.”

I cannot say that I share her optimism. A law which allows one group in society to take the lives of others out of the eye of the law and the public is open to abuse.

Exhibit A this week is the Australian assisted suicide activist,Dr Philip Nitschke. Police in Melbourne have questioned him about a suicide pact by two elderly women (which we did not report to keep from overloading the newsletter). They had used equipment obtained from him and recommended by him (although he was not directly involved). Dr Nitschke’s attitude towards the law is consistent: it is an ass. He shows his contempt by helping people to commit suicide, but without stepping across the line into criminality. There will always be doctors like him who believe that any law is too restrictive. If euthanasia is legalised, will they keep pushing the boundaries further and further out?

Exhibit B is extraordinary revelations in Belgium, where a nurse who was also a Catholic deacon used his privileged position to kill scores of people, probably without their consent. There will always be twisted people like him. If euthanasia is legalised, will there be more of them?

Can it be wise to follow Quebec’s lead if we can foresee that more half-deranged and fully-deranged minds like these will be encouraged to embark upon private crusades to drown the world with compassion?" BioEdge Euthanasia legalised in Quebec

 

[The Germans are coming]

I love Euthanasia.

it has been very succesfull in the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland.

And should I ever get a glioblastrom I would insist on having the option of ending my life.

Why wait?

While you are waiting....have someone explain the OP to you.....what if you don't give your consent?

Then I wont be killed.

Du bist ein Esel....

From the OP: "... there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…."

What is the source of that information?

As lazy as you are, euthanasia is the least of your worries....you might just decide not to breathe.

What does that even mean?

Go read the OP....it's in there.

I cant be botherd.

Is it so hard to just post the source again?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Whether it be genocide, gulags, abortions, death panels, inseparable from Leftist doctrine...communism, Liberalism, whatever....all represent how insignificant human life is to Leftist worldviews.


They laughed when the Right pointed out that ObamaCare included rationing and Death Panels...but last week the architect of ObamaCare, Dr.Zeke Emanuel came out an said that at 75, time to die.

" If Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel doesn’t die by age 75, should he get the Death Panel?"
Ezekiel Emanuel Obamacare people should die at age 75




And the facilitation for that view is that none of Leftist iterations view religion as important, or even necessary.


1. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there.
Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’


2. "There is no God: This concept is an essential element of Marxism.
As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."
If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."
The Schwarz Report Essays

a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
"The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression," by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin , p.123-124.





3. And just one more example of that view is the murder endorsed by Liberal governments, Euthanasia.
Philosopher Helga Kuhse: "'Euthanasia' is a compound of two Greek words - eu and thanatos meaning, literally, 'a good death'. Today, 'euthanasia' is generally understood to mean the bringing about of a good death - 'mercy killing,' where one person, A, ends the life of another person, B, for the sake of B."
Euthanasia Fact Sheet The World Federation of Right to Die Societies

What if they don't ask B's permission? Wouldn't that make it murder?





4. In 1984, Holland legalized euthanasia, the right of Dutch doctors to kill their elderly patients. Would they do so based on their whim?

a. “The Dutch survey, reviewed in the Journal of Medical Ethics, looked at the figures for 1995 and found that as well as 3,600 authorized cases there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…. they thought they were acting in the patient's best interests.”
Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland

b. Euthanasia, as Dr. Peggy Norris observed with some asperity, "cannot be controlled." If this is so, why is Harris so sure that stem-cell research can be controlled? And if it cannot be controlled, just what is irrational about religious objections to social policies that when they reach the bottom of the slippery slope are bound to embody something Dutch, degraded, and disgusting? How many scientific atheists, I wonder, propose to spend their old age in Holland?"
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

As to euthanasia itself, I think it's more about the comfort of the owner of an animal than any concern over the animal. Pet owners don't wanna see their animals suffer, but neither are they willing to pay human-costs of life-saving medical care to avoid it when killing the animal and buying a new one is infinitely cheaper.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Whether it be genocide, gulags, abortions, death panels, inseparable from Leftist doctrine...communism, Liberalism, whatever....all represent how insignificant human life is to Leftist worldviews.


They laughed when the Right pointed out that ObamaCare included rationing and Death Panels...but last week the architect of ObamaCare, Dr.Zeke Emanuel came out an said that at 75, time to die.

" If Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel doesn’t die by age 75, should he get the Death Panel?"
Ezekiel Emanuel Obamacare people should die at age 75




And the facilitation for that view is that none of Leftist iterations view religion as important, or even necessary.


1. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there.
Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’


2. "There is no God: This concept is an essential element of Marxism.
As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."
If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."
The Schwarz Report Essays

a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
"The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression," by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin , p.123-124.





3. And just one more example of that view is the murder endorsed by Liberal governments, Euthanasia.
Philosopher Helga Kuhse: "'Euthanasia' is a compound of two Greek words - eu and thanatos meaning, literally, 'a good death'. Today, 'euthanasia' is generally understood to mean the bringing about of a good death - 'mercy killing,' where one person, A, ends the life of another person, B, for the sake of B."
Euthanasia Fact Sheet The World Federation of Right to Die Societies

What if they don't ask B's permission? Wouldn't that make it murder?





4. In 1984, Holland legalized euthanasia, the right of Dutch doctors to kill their elderly patients. Would they do so based on their whim?

a. “The Dutch survey, reviewed in the Journal of Medical Ethics, looked at the figures for 1995 and found that as well as 3,600 authorized cases there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…. they thought they were acting in the patient's best interests.”
Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland

b. Euthanasia, as Dr. Peggy Norris observed with some asperity, "cannot be controlled." If this is so, why is Harris so sure that stem-cell research can be controlled? And if it cannot be controlled, just what is irrational about religious objections to social policies that when they reach the bottom of the slippery slope are bound to embody something Dutch, degraded, and disgusting? How many scientific atheists, I wonder, propose to spend their old age in Holland?"
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

As to euthanasia itself, I think it's more about the comfort of the owner of an animal than any concern over the animal. Pet owners don't wanna see their animals suffer, but neither are they willing to pay human-costs of life-saving medical care to avoid it when killing the animal and buying a new one is infinitely cheaper.

This has nothing to do with pets.

If you were going to avoid the point, why did you bother to post at all?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why wait?

While you are waiting....have someone explain the OP to you.....what if you don't give your consent?

Then I wont be killed.

Du bist ein Esel....

From the OP: "... there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…."

What is the source of that information?

As lazy as you are, euthanasia is the least of your worries....you might just decide not to breathe.

What does that even mean?

Go read the OP....it's in there.

I cant be botherd.

Is it so hard to just post the source again?

I cant be botherd (sic).

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Whether it be genocide, gulags, abortions, death panels, inseparable from Leftist doctrine...communism, Liberalism, whatever....all represent how insignificant human life is to Leftist worldviews.


They laughed when the Right pointed out that ObamaCare included rationing and Death Panels...but last week the architect of ObamaCare, Dr.Zeke Emanuel came out an said that at 75, time to die.

" If Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel doesn’t die by age 75, should he get the Death Panel?"
Ezekiel Emanuel Obamacare people should die at age 75




And the facilitation for that view is that none of Leftist iterations view religion as important, or even necessary.


1. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there.
Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’


2. "There is no God: This concept is an essential element of Marxism.
As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."
If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."
The Schwarz Report Essays

a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
"The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression," by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin , p.123-124.





3. And just one more example of that view is the murder endorsed by Liberal governments, Euthanasia.
Philosopher Helga Kuhse: "'Euthanasia' is a compound of two Greek words - eu and thanatos meaning, literally, 'a good death'. Today, 'euthanasia' is generally understood to mean the bringing about of a good death - 'mercy killing,' where one person, A, ends the life of another person, B, for the sake of B."
Euthanasia Fact Sheet The World Federation of Right to Die Societies

What if they don't ask B's permission? Wouldn't that make it murder?





4. In 1984, Holland legalized euthanasia, the right of Dutch doctors to kill their elderly patients. Would they do so based on their whim?

a. “The Dutch survey, reviewed in the Journal of Medical Ethics, looked at the figures for 1995 and found that as well as 3,600 authorized cases there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…. they thought they were acting in the patient's best interests.”
Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland

b. Euthanasia, as Dr. Peggy Norris observed with some asperity, "cannot be controlled." If this is so, why is Harris so sure that stem-cell research can be controlled? And if it cannot be controlled, just what is irrational about religious objections to social policies that when they reach the bottom of the slippery slope are bound to embody something Dutch, degraded, and disgusting? How many scientific atheists, I wonder, propose to spend their old age in Holland?"
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

As to euthanasia itself, I think it's more about the comfort of the owner of an animal than any concern over the animal. Pet owners don't wanna see their animals suffer, but neither are they willing to pay human-costs of life-saving medical care to avoid it when killing the animal and buying a new one is infinitely cheaper.

This has nothing to do with pets.

If you were going to avoid the point, why did you bother to post at all?

Because the title's "Euthanasia" and it's the R&E group. If you wanted to discuss the political aspects you should posted it there.

 

[The Germans are coming]

Then I wont be killed.

Du bist ein Esel....

From the OP: "... there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…."

What is the source of that information?

As lazy as you are, euthanasia is the least of your worries....you might just decide not to breathe.

What does that even mean?

Go read the OP....it's in there.

I cant be botherd.

Is it so hard to just post the source again?

I cant be botherd (sic).

Ok. have a nice day.

 

[Samson]

I'm happy that PoliticalChic is considering the topic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Whether it be genocide, gulags, abortions, death panels, inseparable from Leftist doctrine...communism, Liberalism, whatever....all represent how insignificant human life is to Leftist worldviews.


They laughed when the Right pointed out that ObamaCare included rationing and Death Panels...but last week the architect of ObamaCare, Dr.Zeke Emanuel came out an said that at 75, time to die.

" If Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel doesn’t die by age 75, should he get the Death Panel?"
Ezekiel Emanuel Obamacare people should die at age 75




And the facilitation for that view is that none of Leftist iterations view religion as important, or even necessary.


1. Even in the 19th century, as religious conviction waned, the warnings were there.
Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’


2. "There is no God: This concept is an essential element of Marxism.
As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."
If God exists and is in supreme command of the universe, He possesses discretionary power, and His actions cannot always be calculated accurately in advance. The whole edifice of Marxism collapses.

When Marx and the Communists deny the existence of God, they simultaneously deny the authority of the Ten Commandments, the existence of absolute standards of right and wrong, of good and evil; and man is left on the playing fields of the universe without a referee, without a book of rules. The winning side in any conflict can decide on what rules of conduct to apply. Morality is the creation of the victor."
The Schwarz Report Essays

a. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
"The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression," by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin , p.123-124.





3. And just one more example of that view is the murder endorsed by Liberal governments, Euthanasia.
Philosopher Helga Kuhse: "'Euthanasia' is a compound of two Greek words - eu and thanatos meaning, literally, 'a good death'. Today, 'euthanasia' is generally understood to mean the bringing about of a good death - 'mercy killing,' where one person, A, ends the life of another person, B, for the sake of B."
Euthanasia Fact Sheet The World Federation of Right to Die Societies

What if they don't ask B's permission? Wouldn't that make it murder?





4. In 1984, Holland legalized euthanasia, the right of Dutch doctors to kill their elderly patients. Would they do so based on their whim?

a. “The Dutch survey, reviewed in the Journal of Medical Ethics, looked at the figures for 1995 and found that as well as 3,600 authorized cases there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…. they thought they were acting in the patient's best interests.”
Involuntary Euthanasia is Out of Control in Holland

b. Euthanasia, as Dr. Peggy Norris observed with some asperity, "cannot be controlled." If this is so, why is Harris so sure that stem-cell research can be controlled? And if it cannot be controlled, just what is irrational about religious objections to social policies that when they reach the bottom of the slippery slope are bound to embody something Dutch, degraded, and disgusting? How many scientific atheists, I wonder, propose to spend their old age in Holland?"
David Berlinski, "The Devil's Delusion."

As to euthanasia itself, I think it's more about the comfort of the owner of an animal than any concern over the animal. Pet owners don't wanna see their animals suffer, but neither are they willing to pay human-costs of life-saving medical care to avoid it when killing the animal and buying a new one is infinitely cheaper.

This has nothing to do with pets.

If you were going to avoid the point, why did you bother to post at all?

Because the title's "Euthanasia" and it's the R&E group. If you wanted to discuss the political aspects you should posted it there.

No, you moron....the OP and successive post are about the religion of the Left, the Church of Liberalism, which has state acquiesced murder as its sacrament.

Euthanasia, as developed in this thread sits on the slippery slope.....its adherents, as shown, simply put other human beings.....not pets,dope.....to death.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm happy that PoliticalChic is considering the topic.

What a stupid post.

You should have someone read and explain posts to you.

 

[Samson]

I'm happy that PoliticalChic is considering the topic.

What a stupid post.

You should have someone read and explain posts to you.

Hard to believe it went over your head.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm happy that PoliticalChic is considering the topic.

What a stupid post.

You should have someone read and explain posts to you.

Hard to believe it went over your head.

Hey......I typed 'moron' into my GPS, and guess what? I'm at your front door.




It's clear you are simply out to get even for the what I've done to your posts in earlier threads...

1. You can't.

2. At least try harder to make the attempts clever.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Du bist ein Esel....

From the OP: "... there were 900 others in which doctors had acted without explicit consent…."

What is the source of that information?

As lazy as you are, euthanasia is the least of your worries....you might just decide not to breathe.

What does that even mean?

Go read the OP....it's in there.

I cant be botherd.

Is it so hard to just post the source again?

I cant be botherd (sic).

Ok. have a nice day.

. It's all roses and rainbows in PoliticalChicVille

 

[The Germans are coming]

I'm happy that PoliticalChic is considering the topic.

What a stupid post.

You should have someone read and explain posts to you.

Hard to believe it went over your head.

Hey......I typed 'moron' into my GPS, and guess what? I'm at your front door.

 

[Samson]

Hey......I typed 'moron' into my GPS, and guess what? I'm at your front door.

.

I believe you.