Even if Biden wins, it doesn’t matter.

[miketx]

We are doomed anyway, regardless. Too many Americans are traitors to what the USA stands for and there is no unity any more. We are NOT the "united" states of america.
Hell, we should just split the country in half. East States and West States. West is blue. East is mainly red. 1 Potus for each side. We are too divided now and will never return to what the founding fathers thought would last forever. The fall of Rome is now the fall of the USA.

Naw, we'd have to send them blue bitches welfare.

Yah, that means we can save money and not send the red bitches their welfare. That's a savings of over 50%. I can go for that.

But we can have unchecked lawbreaking, crime and rioting while paying them during the day to sit home hiding in their basements from the lefty flu.

The doofi never make any sense.

 

[jbrownson0831]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Look, voting for Trump boils down to one thing: stupidity. That said, I agree Biden isn’t a strong candidate. The Dems definitely could have done better. The fact of the matter, however, is that it is basic common sense that Biden is the better candidate. Not so much because of his merits (that are definitely there) but because of how god awful Trump is in comparison. I’m sick of this false equivalency bullshit people have about Trump and who is running against. Obviously Trump is far worse.

Riiight. Its stupid to vote for Trump so vote for someone even more idiotic.

 

[Hum Dinger]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

There's is a huge cultural divide in the U.S.

Back in the early 1900s it was the KKK vs. the mafia. The pro-Prohibition conservatives vs. the pro-alcohol liberals. Liberals and conservatives were in both the Republican party and the Democratic party. Those parties were more management vs. labor.

Somehow WWII united the American people.

But after WWII the conservatives dropped all American values and became dedicated capitalists. The idea was if the USSR was socialist, we had to be the opposite of that which meant we were capitalists.

Then came the generation gap and counter culture of the 1960s. That grew into the liberal social values movement, which is the basis of today's Democratic party. They have lost their position as champions of working Americans.

Meanwhile the capitalists, mobsters and 'cowboys' have joined together to form a new conservative culture based (supposedly) on Conservative social values, but really primarily support the wealthy capitalists. It's the mobster & salesmanship (i.e. capitalist) culture that is responsible for the conservative's willingness to outright lie. They have no integrity and they couldn't care less.

Basically, liberals have been losing since they abandoned working families and became the champions of liberal social values. Conservatives have been winning since they became champions of conservative social values. - mixed with mobster and 'cowboy' culture.

I don't see anyway of reconciling this divide, other than on a very personal basis, liberals have to convince 'Conservatives' that they are being complete assholes and are full of shit on just about every subject. This fight has to take place in every family and at every dinner table.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

As long as you say it's okay for the President's son to be a Russian Spy. That's some Moat you have in yer eye, bud.

Transferring your ignorant paranoia from Trump to his son?

 

[healthmyths]

This election should tell you Americans don’t like Trump, but that Democrat policies like ending fossil fuels, destroying industry, defunding the police, reparations, taxpayer subsidized college, erasing student debt on the backs of taxpayers, taxpayer subsidized healthcare for everyone including illegals, giving Iran money, etc.. aren’t popular with Americans. If you thought you were winning on the issues you couldn’t be more wrong.

Americans do like Trump
Plus, everything you derided - Trump agrees with you on.
If you don't like him as a President, the problem is within you, not him.

naw 4 million more votes for Biden, the motivation was Trump hate.

i don’t like him as president. He’s a liar number one. He lied about COVID and his supporters cheered him on for it. Number two he doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but himself and says ridiculously stupid things. When he got COVID and got better the asshole bragged that you have to dominate the virus. Instead of being humble and thanking the doctors and God the guy acted like the prick he is. His rallies have literally killed hundreds if not more of his supporters. Yeah character matters and Trump’s character sucks. He acts like asshole/dishonest child, and his polices aren’t perfect either. Spending? The stupid trade deals?


You have your opinion I have mine.

The only problem is your opinion is NOT based on the facts.
You tell me which would you rather have happen... what Obama wanted and DID versus what Trump wanted and did?

 

[Gracie]

Khrushchev: “The USA will fall from within”.

And we are seeing it happen right now.

 

[Billy000]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Look, voting for Trump boils down to one thing: stupidity. That said, I agree Biden isn’t a strong candidate. The Dems definitely could have done better. The fact of the matter, however, is that it is basic common sense that Biden is the better candidate. Not so much because of his merits (that are definitely there) but because of how god awful Trump is in comparison. I’m sick of this false equivalency bullshit people have about Trump and who is running against. Obviously Trump is far worse.

Riiight. Its stupid to vote for Trump so vote for someone even more idiotic.

Lol I think deep down you know Trump is an idiot. You just can’t bring yourself to admit it.

 

[Billiejeens]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

There's is a huge cultural divide in the U.S.

Back in the early 1900s it was the KKK vs. the mafia. The pro-Prohibition conservatives vs. the pro-alcohol liberals. Liberals and conservatives were in both the Republican party and the Democratic party. Those parties were more management vs. labor.

Somehow WWII united the American people.

But after WWII the conservatives dropped all American values and became dedicated capitalists. The idea was if the USSR was socialist, we had to be the opposite of that which meant we were capitalists.

Then came the generation gap and counter culture of the 1960s. That grew into the liberal social values movement, which is the basis of today's Democratic party. They have lost their position as champions of working Americans.

Meanwhile the capitalists, mobsters and 'cowboys' have joined together to form a new conservative culture based (supposedly) on Conservative social values, but really primarily support the wealthy capitalists. It's the mobster & salesmanship (i.e. capitalist) culture that is responsible for the conservative's willingness to outright lie. They have no integrity and they couldn't care less.

Basically, liberals have been losing since they abandoned working families and became the champions of liberal social values. Conservatives have been winning since they became champions of conservative social values. - mixed with mobster and 'cowboy' culture.

I don't see anyway of reconciling this divide, other than on a very personal basis, liberals have to convince 'Conservatives' that they are being complete assholes and are full of shit on just about every subject. This fight has to take place in every family and at every dinner table.

I laugh
That's funny, I don’t care who you are.

 

[jbrownson0831]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Look, voting for Trump boils down to one thing: stupidity. That said, I agree Biden isn’t a strong candidate. The Dems definitely could have done better. The fact of the matter, however, is that it is basic common sense that Biden is the better candidate. Not so much because of his merits (that are definitely there) but because of how god awful Trump is in comparison. I’m sick of this false equivalency bullshit people have about Trump and who is running against. Obviously Trump is far worse.

Riiight. Its stupid to vote for Trump so vote for someone even more idiotic.

Lol I think deep down you know Trump is an idiot. You just can’t bring yourself to admit it.

I don't need to because your candidate is the biggest idiot that politics ever created. And since there are just two choices.....

 

[BlindBoo]

The VIOLENCE happened off campus? WTH is wrong with you? You need a critical thinking history lesson BADLY.

"Friday evening in downtown Kent began peacefully with the usual socializing in the bars, but events quickly escalated into a violent confrontation between protestors and local police. The exact causes of the disturbance are still the subject of debate, but bonfires were built in the streets of downtown Kent, cars were stopped, police cars were hit with bottles, and some store windows were broken. The entire Kent police force was called to duty as well as officers from the county and surrounding communities. Kent Mayor Leroy Satrom declared a state of emergency, called Governor James Rhodes' office to seek assistance, and ordered all of the bars closed. The decision to close the bars early increased the size of the angry crowd. Police eventually succeeded in using tear gas to disperse the crowd from downtown, forcing them to move several blocks back to the campus."

You need to brush up on your US History Comrade.

The May 4 Shootings at Kent State University: The Search for Historical Accuracy | Kent State University

The May 4 Shootings at Kent State University: The Search for Historical Accuracy May 4, 1970 | THE MAY 4 SHOOTINGS AT KENT STATE UNIVERSITY: THE SEARCH FOR HISTORICAL ACCURACY BY JERRY M. LEWIS and THOMAS R. HENSLEY

www.kent.edu

I see the late 60's and early 70's as more turbulent than today.

 

[Billiejeens]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Look, voting for Trump boils down to one thing: stupidity. That said, I agree Biden isn’t a strong candidate. The Dems definitely could have done better. The fact of the matter, however, is that it is basic common sense that Biden is the better candidate. Not so much because of his merits (that are definitely there) but because of how god awful Trump is in comparison. I’m sick of this false equivalency bullshit people have about Trump and who is running against. Obviously Trump is far worse.

70 Million voters believe that President Trump has been spectacular.
Who knows how many millions more, that simply do not vote.

Lol well good I’m glad you accept the actual counting of vote figures, which, by the way, shows Biden with close to 3 million more votes.

There is no contest to get the most votes

The contest is chess not chutes and ladders little boy. It's the right votes in the right states.

Maybe you don't understand that
You come across as an imbecile
So maybe you don't

 

[Dogbiscuit]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

I read everything you said and understand your concerns..
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

The greatest threat we face as a nation isn't existential.
We are at war with each other.

You don't need tanks, planes and bombs to invade this country.
You can send women and children across the border and get Americans to fight each other over it.
And they will fight to change fundamental understanding and practices in a desperate grasp for control of power they shouldn't have.

You don't need to corrupt markets or systems.
We will fight each other over what we should do.

It is all based in the idea immediate gratification without the need to understand the difference between desire and responsibility, is sustainable.

The answer is not only the fact we can find a way to work with each other ...
But the acceptance of the fact we really don't have a choice or we are done for as far as even deserving the distinction of being worthy ...

.

I asked to exclude everything you mentioned, but yea I guess by you and Coyote avoiding the question, is answering in a way.

What difference does it make if we are not united, and busy fighting each?
Until we fix that, it is only a weakness any of our foreign enemies can exploit.

Your desire to ignore it for whatever reason is what makes any of them a threat, because when we are united, this country can whip ass ...

.

Again,
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

 

[Billiejeens]

I think you're overstating what this election says about the state of our society, and missing an obvious lesson. What Trump has shown us is just how susceptible we are to populism, especially when it's driven by an unscrupulous demagogue. This is why I always cringe at the modern liberal's worship of "democracy". Most voters are ignorant and easily fooled. We need less democracy, not more.

Less democracy? Really? Like what exactly?

To begin with, stop encouraging everyone to vote. People who are not well-informed shouldn't vote.

Many people are celebrating the fact we had such a high voter turnout this time. Yet this is the single most fucked up Presidential election in my lifetime. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Beyond that, we need to understand that the "will of the people" isn't the same as the "will of the majority". Government that respects the will of the people, respects the will of ALL the people, not just the 51% who voted for the current leadership. It's this idea that the majority has a legitimate right to run roughshod over the will of the minority that drives the fear and anger currently undermining our society.

To begin with, stop encouraging everyone to vote. People who are not well-informed shouldn't vote.

How the hell are you going to determine who is well-informed enough to vote? Who's going to make that call?

Many people are celebrating the fact we had such a high voter turnout this time. Yet this is the single most fucked up Presidential election in my lifetime. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Fucked up? How so? By what metric?

Beyond that, we need to understand that the "will of the people" isn't the same as the "will of the majority". Government that respects the will of the people, respects the will of ALL the people, not just the 51% who voted for the current leadership. It's this idea that the majority has a legitimate right to run roughshod over the will of the minority that drives the fear and anger currently undermining our society.

And your solution is to only allow the well-informed people to vote? LOL, in this country I don't know that we have that many well-informed people. So are you actually calling for the will of the minority (well-informed people) to run roughshod over the will of the majority (the rest of us idiots)? I guess I'm not well-informed enough to see where you're coming from. IOW: WTF dude?

I say just make everyone show up with an ID in person...the dregs won't even be able to handle that.

Good idea
The colored coalition convinced a judge here that colored peoples couldn't get a free ID.

 

[jbrownson0831]

I think you're overstating what this election says about the state of our society, and missing an obvious lesson. What Trump has shown us is just how susceptible we are to populism, especially when it's driven by an unscrupulous demagogue. This is why I always cringe at the modern liberal's worship of "democracy". Most voters are ignorant and easily fooled. We need less democracy, not more.

Less democracy? Really? Like what exactly?

To begin with, stop encouraging everyone to vote. People who are not well-informed shouldn't vote.

Many people are celebrating the fact we had such a high voter turnout this time. Yet this is the single most fucked up Presidential election in my lifetime. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Beyond that, we need to understand that the "will of the people" isn't the same as the "will of the majority". Government that respects the will of the people, respects the will of ALL the people, not just the 51% who voted for the current leadership. It's this idea that the majority has a legitimate right to run roughshod over the will of the minority that drives the fear and anger currently undermining our society.

To begin with, stop encouraging everyone to vote. People who are not well-informed shouldn't vote.

How the hell are you going to determine who is well-informed enough to vote? Who's going to make that call?

Many people are celebrating the fact we had such a high voter turnout this time. Yet this is the single most fucked up Presidential election in my lifetime. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Fucked up? How so? By what metric?

Beyond that, we need to understand that the "will of the people" isn't the same as the "will of the majority". Government that respects the will of the people, respects the will of ALL the people, not just the 51% who voted for the current leadership. It's this idea that the majority has a legitimate right to run roughshod over the will of the minority that drives the fear and anger currently undermining our society.

And your solution is to only allow the well-informed people to vote? LOL, in this country I don't know that we have that many well-informed people. So are you actually calling for the will of the minority (well-informed people) to run roughshod over the will of the majority (the rest of us idiots)? I guess I'm not well-informed enough to see where you're coming from. IOW: WTF dude?

I say just make everyone show up with an ID in person...the dregs won't even be able to handle that.

Good idea
The colored coalition convinced a judge here that colored peoples couldn't get a free ID.

The libbers are too tired from rioting to show up and vote in person anyway.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

There's is a huge cultural divide in the U.S.

Back in the early 1900s it was the KKK vs. the mafia. The pro-Prohibition conservatives vs. the pro-alcohol liberals. Liberals and conservatives were in both the Republican party and the Democratic party. Those parties were more management vs. labor.

Somehow WWII united the American people.

But after WWII the conservatives dropped all American values and became dedicated capitalists. The idea was if the USSR was socialist, we had to be the opposite of that which meant we were capitalists.

Then came the generation gap and counter culture of the 1960s. That grew into the liberal social values movement, which is the basis of today's Democratic party. They have lost their position as champions of working Americans.

Meanwhile the capitalists, mobsters and 'cowboys' have joined together to form a new conservative culture based (supposedly) on Conservative social values, but really primarily support the wealthy capitalists. It's the mobster & salesmanship (i.e. capitalist) culture that is responsible for the conservative's willingness to outright lie. They have no integrity and they couldn't care less.

Basically, liberals have been losing since they abandoned working families and became the champions of liberal social values. Conservatives have been winning since they became champions of conservative social values. - mixed with mobster and 'cowboy' culture.

I don't see anyway of reconciling this divide, other than on a very personal basis, liberals have to convince 'Conservatives' that they are being complete assholes and are full of shit on just about every subject. This fight has to take place in every family and at every dinner table.

So your plan is to throw tantrums?

 

[Billy000]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Look, voting for Trump boils down to one thing: stupidity. That said, I agree Biden isn’t a strong candidate. The Dems definitely could have done better. The fact of the matter, however, is that it is basic common sense that Biden is the better candidate. Not so much because of his merits (that are definitely there) but because of how god awful Trump is in comparison. I’m sick of this false equivalency bullshit people have about Trump and who is running against. Obviously Trump is far worse.

70 Million voters believe that President Trump has been spectacular.
Who knows how many millions more, that simply do not vote.

Lol well good I’m glad you accept the actual counting of vote figures, which, by the way, shows Biden with close to 3 million more votes.

There is no contest to get the most votes

The contest is chess not chutes and ladders little boy. It's the right votes in the right states.

Maybe you don't understand that
You come across as an imbecile
So maybe you don't

Lol oh for fuck sake. You made the point that so many voters like Trump. That was the context of the conversation we had. I simply pointed out Biden has more. We weren’t discussing what decides the election. Because of you, we were talking simply about the metric of popularity.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

We are doomed anyway, regardless. Too many Americans are traitors to what the USA stands for and there is no unity any more. We are NOT the "united" states of america.
Hell, we should just split the country in half. East States and West States. West is blue. East is mainly red. 1 Potus for each side. We are too divided now and will never return to what the founding fathers thought would last forever. The fall of Rome is now the fall of the USA.

Naw, we'd have to send them blue bitches welfare.

Yah, that means we can save money and not send the red bitches their welfare. That's a savings of over 50%. I can go for that.

But we can have unchecked lawbreaking, crime and rioting while paying them during the day to sit home hiding in their basements from the lefty flu.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

We are doomed anyway, regardless. Too many Americans are traitors to what the USA stands for and there is no unity any more. We are NOT the "united" states of america.
Hell, we should just split the country in half. East States and West States. West is blue. East is mainly red. 1 Potus for each side. We are too divided now and will never return to what the founding fathers thought would last forever. The fall of Rome is now the fall of the USA.

Naw, we'd have to send them blue bitches welfare.

Yah, that means we can save money and not send the red bitches their welfare. That's a savings of over 50%. I can go for that.

But we can have unchecked lawbreaking, crime and rioting while paying them during the day to sit home hiding in their basements from the lefty flu.

The doofi never make any sense.

 

[BlackSand]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

I read everything you said and understand your concerns..
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

The greatest threat we face as a nation isn't existential.
We are at war with each other.

You don't need tanks, planes and bombs to invade this country.
You can send women and children across the border and get Americans to fight each other over it.
And they will fight to change fundamental understanding and practices in a desperate grasp for control of power they shouldn't have.

You don't need to corrupt markets or systems.
We will fight each other over what we should do.

It is all based in the idea immediate gratification without the need to understand the difference between desire and responsibility, is sustainable.

The answer is not only the fact we can find a way to work with each other ...
But the acceptance of the fact we really don't have a choice or we are done for as far as even deserving the distinction of being worthy ...

.

I asked to exclude everything you mentioned, but yea I guess by you and Coyote avoiding the question, is answering in a way.

What difference does it make if we are not united, and busy fighting each?
Until we fix that, it is only a weakness any of our foreign enemies can exploit.

Your desire to ignore it for whatever reason is what makes any of them a threat, because when we are united, this country can whip ass ...

.

Again,
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

Since you're a nit-wit and insist I have to pick a foreign country, let's just start next door and work our way out from there

Canada ... No offense to any Canadians who may be reading.
How would I like threats addressed:

1.) Limit the dumping of Canadian Government subsidized softwoods on the US market.

The Government subsidized logging industry in Canada unfairly dumps underpriced softwood on the US market.
It makes it harder for US competitors in the logging industry to pay fair price for the resources they gather and compete against the Canadian subsidies at the same time.

2.) Have US agencies encourage tougher efforts and provide more support against fentanyl imports.

Although many people believe that the majority of illicit trade comes across our Southern border, a great deal also enters the country from the North.
Together we can work with Canadian forces to start taking tougher measures against possible trade and smuggling efforts.

Is that enough on Canada, would you like some more?
Would you like to move on to Mexico, because as long as we are divided in this country, they are all equally dangerous ...

.

 

[Dogbiscuit]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

I read everything you said and understand your concerns..
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

The greatest threat we face as a nation isn't existential.
We are at war with each other.

You don't need tanks, planes and bombs to invade this country.
You can send women and children across the border and get Americans to fight each other over it.
And they will fight to change fundamental understanding and practices in a desperate grasp for control of power they shouldn't have.

You don't need to corrupt markets or systems.
We will fight each other over what we should do.

It is all based in the idea immediate gratification without the need to understand the difference between desire and responsibility, is sustainable.

The answer is not only the fact we can find a way to work with each other ...
But the acceptance of the fact we really don't have a choice or we are done for as far as even deserving the distinction of being worthy ...

.

I asked to exclude everything you mentioned, but yea I guess by you and Coyote avoiding the question, is answering in a way.

What difference does it make if we are not united, and busy fighting each?
Until we fix that, it is only a weakness any of our foreign enemies can exploit.

Your desire to ignore it for whatever reason is what makes any of them a threat, because when we are united, this country can whip ass ...

.

Again,
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

Since you're a nit-wit and insist I have to pick a foreign country, let's just start next door and work our way out from there

Canada ... No offense to any Canadians who may be reading.
How would I like threats addressed:

1.) Limit the dumping of Canadian Government subsidized softwoods on the US market.

The Government subsidized logging industry in Canada unfairly dumps underpriced softwood on the US market.
It makes it harder for US competitors in the logging industry to pay fair price for the resources they gather and compete against the Canadian subsidies at the same time.

2.) Have US agencies encourage tougher efforts and provide more support against fentanyl imports.

Although many people believe that the majority of illicit trade comes across our Southern border, a great deal also enters the country from the North.
Together we can work with Canadian forces to start taking tougher measures against possible trade and smuggling efforts.

Is that enough on Canada, would you like some more?
Would you like to move on to Mexico, because as long as we are divided in this country, they are all equally dangerous ...

.

You hurt my feelings with nit-wit. They called Hermey a nit-wit, from the movie Rudolph, so shame on you.
Well, you did a very fine job your reply. You should run for politics.
So just to be perfectly clear, you see Canada as a greater threat than China or Russia ? - Yes or No ?