Even if Biden wins, it doesn’t matter.

[Dogbiscuit]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

I read everything you said and understand your concerns..
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

The greatest threat we face as a nation isn't existential.
We are at war with each other.

You don't need tanks, planes and bombs to invade this country.
You can send women and children across the border and get Americans to fight each other over it.
And they will fight to change fundamental understanding and practices in a desperate grasp for control of power they shouldn't have.

You don't need to corrupt markets or systems.
We will fight each other over what we should do.

It is all based in the idea immediate gratification without the need to understand the difference between desire and responsibility, is sustainable.

The answer is not only the fact we can find a way to work with each other ...
But the acceptance of the fact we really don't have a choice or we are done for as far as even deserving the distinction of being worthy ...

.

I asked to exclude everything you mentioned, but yea I guess by you and Coyote avoiding the question, is answering in a way.

 

[OKTexas]

Yeah, if we had a basic civics test to register to vote, you commies would lose about 70% of your easily led lemmings.

I'm a commie? I guess you haven't read many of my posts.

If the shoe doesn't fit, you shouldn't be offended.

.

 

[Invisibleflash]

The gulf is too wide between the ideologies.

That is what I fear....but there have to be some commonalities on which to build a bridge or we are doomed.

The divide is too extreme to come together. In the old days things were not as extreme.

There can ever be a meeting of the minds any longer. In the days of kinder and gentler politics, both parties were not that far apart in core values. Both parties believed baby murder was wrong, both parties were for the 2A and the rights to bear arms, both parties were for strong borders, both parties were against homosexual marriage, both parties didn’t believe an illegal alien was an American citizen, both parties were against legalized dope, both parties were centered around religious beliefs, traditional American values and morals, both parties believed in a thing called gender and that a man with a penis is not a woman, both parties were against socialism and communism.

Well, we can see what has happened over the years. The reps have stayed more or less the same…long standing conservative traditional American values. The dems on the other hand have become wildly extreme with their beliefs. Beliefs so far off the scale of left that they will destroy America as we have known it if they are implemented.

On a dem run forum that banned me after 2 posts that was discussing breaking the USA into two, someone said to give the states more control and the fed less control as a solution to a breakup of the USA. The problem with that is the lefties move all around take control and destroy the states for the conservatives. (Not to mention the other problems. But I'm all for keeping some as opposed to losing it all.)

The election goal of the left was to change the rules to make conservatives never able to regain control of the USA. In other words, the dems want to force their views on the rest with no recourse. While the conservatives generally don't care how the dems live. The conservatives don't want to be forced to live like dems. We have seen the proof of this after the summer of unrest.

Many conservatives said to let the dems burn down their cities if that is what they want. The reps offered help to the dems and were rebuffed. So they just let the dems be. But the dems cannot let anyone else be that does not toe their party line. That is one of that major problems that is driving America to civil war when the dems try to disarm the reps.

 

[task0778]

Ok. You can demonize the Dems for looking at these ideas, but you are also completely absolving the Republicans of their role leading up to this.

When do we totally destroy this increasingly dysfunctional but critically important institution?

IMO - we should not get rid of the filibuster and we should not add justices (much as I want to give a stiff finger to the right for it's abuses I fully know it is a dangerous thing to do for our country).

The filibuster allows the minority party to express itself on important things but it shouldn't be abused to the point where the majority party moves to take it away.

What the majority moves to remove or change, should be done with regard to the fact it will not always be the majority.

At least one hopes not. A one party rule is very bad for our country.

I'll just focus on this part right here. There were no agreed upon codes. Not that I know of anyway. I do not intend to completely absolve the GOP of their role in the situation we have today in the Senate. It was they who changed the rule for SCOTUS confirmations and the fallout for that rests with them. Also the responsibility for fact that they wouldn't even give Obama's nominee Merrick Garland a hearing and a vote lies with them too. I'm not sure they should've put him through that process if they weren't going to confirm him anyway. But they were not about to put another liberal judge on the Supreme Court to replace Scalia, a firm conservative, after Kagan and Sotomayor were previously confirmed with some GOP support I might add. Hard for me to blame them for trying to avoid that. There was nothing illegal or even against the norms and rules about that, and if remember rightly it was Biden and some democrats who argued vociferously in the past that a SCOTUS justice should not be appointed or confirmed in a president's last year. Then when Obama wanted to replace Scalia they changed their tune. As did the GOP in 2020 after what they did in 2016. IMHO, replacing Scalia with Garland was not something the GOP could or should allow, especially considering how 2-face the democrats were. Same deal with ACB replacing RBG, they had the constitutional power to do it and so they did.

Trump appointed 3 SCOTUS justices. If the 60 vote filibuster was still in effect would any of them have been confirmed in the Senate? None of those nominees came close to 60 confirmation votes; maybe none of them would have even got a vote due to democratic filibusters. Maybe McConnell really didn't have much of a choice in 2020 or in 2016. And frankly if the tables were turned the democrats would have done the exact same thing IMHO.

 

[Dogbiscuit]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

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It's you commies that were proposing fundamentally changing the system. You're the ones advocating a tyranny of the majority. So FOAD.

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Commie commie commie.

That's all you can come up with.

Yep, you're a typical commie, you deflect instead of addressing what I said.

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Same thing happened to me as well.
A complete deflection.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Wait till you lose at least. Preemptive whining is unattractive

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This never ceases to amuse me.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

We are doomed anyway, regardless. Too many Americans are traitors to what the USA stands for and there is no unity any more. We are NOT the "united" states of america.
Hell, we should just split the country in half. East States and West States. West is blue. East is mainly red. 1 Potus for each side. We are too divided now and will never return to what the founding fathers thought would last forever. The fall of Rome is now the fall of the USA.

Naw, we'd have to send them blue bitches welfare.

Yah, that means we can save money and not send the red bitches their welfare. That's a savings of over 50%. I can go for that.

 

[Ben Thomson]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

True..I have always stressed that the democrats should do more to inform the public of what they are doing and make it very clear to the public that certain legistlation thay have voted on that would benifit the public is being crushed by the republican senate. Hold a news conference and annouce that they have just passed House bill so and so and have sent it to the Senate..then a week or two later hold another news conference and inform the public the Senate just killed it.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Wait till you lose at least. Preemptive whining is unattractive

Oh STFU if can’t add something of substance. Your crap gets tiresome.

I think no matter who wins, it will be pyrric. Our country has fundamentally changed.

Go fuck yourself. YOU didn't even add a link in the forum that REQUIRES a link in the op.

Your feelings are irrelevant

He IS the cite. He expressed a personal opinion. No one told him to do it. No handlers. No Talking heads. And, no, I don't agree with him but I agree he should have the right to express his own opinion. Now I have something to cite when I need to cite a doomsday message.

 

[sartre play]

Am holding that thought. Two sides/ radicalized opposition & no one working towards consensus

 

[dblack]

Yeah, if we had a basic civics test to register to vote, you commies would lose about 70% of your easily led lemmings.

I'm a commie? I guess you haven't read many of my posts.

If the shoe doesn't fit, you shouldn't be offended.

Well I am offended. You're making a false claim. I'm vehemently anti-socialist. So, prove it, or shut the fuck up.

 

[task0778]

I think you're overstating what this election says about the state of our society, and missing an obvious lesson. What Trump has shown us is just how susceptible we are to populism, especially when it's driven by an unscrupulous demagogue. This is why I always cringe at the modern liberal's worship of "democracy". Most voters are ignorant and easily fooled. We need less democracy, not more.

Less democracy? Really? Like what exactly?

What we need is more truth, which we ain't getting from just about everybody. IMHO what we need is a better educated populace in civics, which our kids ain't getting and many of us didn't either. And I think we need more tolerance, nobody should be fired for their opinion or denounced for offering a different view from someone else's.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

There is something very seriously wrong with you.
Reality conflicts and negates every single thing you mutter.

_____

I couldn't agree more. The OP looks at this whole situation in conflict with both common sense and Facts.

It is true projection. Everything "her side"---Socialists preparing to be Bolsheviks---does, crimes, and all, she sees in her opposition.

Don Trump is rude. He fights back. He's a Conservative. That doesn't justify a trip off into Psychopathology.

_______

Just stop it. Rump is no Conservative. Just stop.

 

[dblack]

I think you're overstating what this election says about the state of our society, and missing an obvious lesson. What Trump has shown us is just how susceptible we are to populism, especially when it's driven by an unscrupulous demagogue. This is why I always cringe at the modern liberal's worship of "democracy". Most voters are ignorant and easily fooled. We need less democracy, not more.

Less democracy? Really? Like what exactly?

To begin with, stop encouraging everyone to vote. People who are not well-informed shouldn't vote.

Many people are celebrating the fact we had such a high voter turnout this time. Yet this is the single most fucked up Presidential election in my lifetime. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Beyond that, we need to understand that the "will of the people" isn't the same as the "will of the majority". Government that respects the will of the people, respects the will of ALL the people, not just the 51% who voted for the current leadership. It's this idea that the majority has a legitimate right to run roughshod over the will of the minority that drives the fear and anger currently undermining our society.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I don’t know...but this election, tbe historically huge turn out, what does that say about the people?

It tells me there is historically high levels of enthusiasm for Donald Trump. You certainly can't say Joe Biden
with his campaign run out of his basement made anyone excited.

If it weren't for fraud Biden would have lost. The communists are now screaming that they didn't get a mandate. They will still have opposition.

Hate to break it to you (like the 1st Red Scare 1918-1919 and the 2nd red scare 1953-1957) what you are witnessing is the end of the 3rd red scare. It has been a glorious fun ride hasn't it. But like all Roller Coaster Rides, it has to come to an end sometime.

 

[BlackSand]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

I read everything you said and understand your concerns..
My question to you is, excluding politics or any other domestic considerations, what is the most existential threat to our country, outside our borders ? Russia, China, etc...?
And what would you like to see done to address that threat ?

The greatest threat we face as a nation isn't existential.
We are at war with each other.

You don't need tanks, planes and bombs to invade this country.
You can send women and children across the border and get Americans to fight each other over it.
And they will fight to change fundamental understanding and practices in a desperate grasp for control of power they shouldn't have.

You don't need to corrupt markets or systems.
We will fight each other over what we should do.

It is all based in the idea immediate gratification without the need to understand the difference between desire and responsibility, is sustainable.

The answer is not only the fact we can find a way to work with each other ...
But the acceptance of the fact we really don't have a choice or we are done for as far as even deserving the distinction of being worthy ...

.

I asked to exclude everything you mentioned, but yea I guess by you and Coyote avoiding the question, is answering in a way.

What difference does it make if we are not united, and busy fighting each?
Until we fix that, it is only a weakness any of our foreign enemies can exploit.

Your desire to ignore it for whatever reason is what makes any of them a threat, because when we are united, this country can whip ass ...

.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

No the photos of hunter biden smoking crack and wanking his penis

So? He's not running for president.

So in your world its ok if the presidents son is a chinese spy

Lol

As long as you say it's okay for the President's son to be a Russian Spy. That's some Moat you have in yer eye, bud.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

Democrats ...always so self righteous...and then they promote/prop up/ defend and vote for actual criminals and pedophiles.

Republicans...can't come up with any charges or indictments....but still insist that their targets are "criminals".

Comeback when you have something of substance to say.

In other words you don’t care about the emails and videos proving the Biden’s are corrupt that the FBI has in its possession...along with the statements from their business associates.

cuz...democrat.

Yes we know.

I would care if there were convictions to go with the allegations. And if there were I would support strong sentencing. But if you say a lie enough times, does that make it the truth?

 

[esalla]

What's changed? Could it be democrats legalising hard drugs, supporting pedophilla, taking hard earned money to give to illegals and never do wells, demanding Christians bow down to perversions, burning and looting at every given chance, defunding those that keep us safe, etc!

Yeah shit changed....not for the better for sure

No one supports pedo. My own hard earned money goes to support Christian groups Whether I want to or not. Nor do I or anyone I know support burning and looting or engage in it.

You just voted for a family of them.

No. I didn't vote for Trump.

Right you voted for mr. child groper. You get his pedo son in the package deal.

You mean those pictures of Ivanka being groped on Trump's lap? Get real. Let me know when there are criminal indictments or charges. Otherwise, you're full of crap.

No the photos of hunter biden smoking crack and wanking his penis

So? He's not running for president.

So in your world its ok if the presidents son is a chinese spy

Lol

As long as you say it's okay for the President's son to be a Russian Spy. That's some Moat you have in yer eye, bud.

Is anyone in your family smoking crack on the internet while masterbating

 

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I think you're overstating what this election says about the state of our society, and missing an obvious lesson. What Trump has shown us is just how susceptible we are to populism, especially when it's driven by an unscrupulous demagogue. This is why I always cringe at the modern liberal's worship of "democracy". Most voters are ignorant and easily fooled. We need less democracy, not more.

Less democracy? Really? Like what exactly?

To begin with, stop encouraging everyone to vote. People who are not well-informed shouldn't vote.

Many people are celebrating the fact we had such a high voter turnout this time. Yet this is the single most fucked up Presidential election in my lifetime. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Beyond that, we need to understand that the "will of the people" isn't the same as the "will of the majority". Government that respects the will of the people, respects the will of ALL the people, not just the 51% who voted for the current leadership. It's this idea that the majority has a legitimate right to run roughshod over the will of the minority that drives the fear and anger currently undermining our society.

To begin with, stop encouraging everyone to vote. People who are not well-informed shouldn't vote.

How the hell are you going to determine who is well-informed enough to vote? Who's going to make that call?

Many people are celebrating the fact we had such a high voter turnout this time. Yet this is the single most fucked up Presidential election in my lifetime. Do you think that's mere coincidence?

Fucked up? How so? By what metric?

Beyond that, we need to understand that the "will of the people" isn't the same as the "will of the majority". Government that respects the will of the people, respects the will of ALL the people, not just the 51% who voted for the current leadership. It's this idea that the majority has a legitimate right to run roughshod over the will of the minority that drives the fear and anger currently undermining our society.

And your solution is to only allow the well-informed people to vote? LOL, in this country I don't know that we have that many well-informed people. So are you actually calling for the will of the minority (well-informed people) to run roughshod over the will of the majority (the rest of us idiots)? I guess I'm not well-informed enough to see where you're coming from. IOW: WTF dude?