Kondor3
Cafeteria Centrist
Newsflash, my little butt-nugget...
Given that Zionism, as a distinguishable movement under a formal banner, has only been operative since the late 19th century...
The OP implies two speculative mandates...
1. conversation pertaining to Jesus recorded teachings and actions and commentaries and background and loyalties, in a Zionism context, with an eye towards determining whether those were of a nature that would lend themselves to modern-day labeling as 'Zionist'...
...or...
2. conversation pertaining to Jesus recorded teachings and actions and commentaries and background and loyalties, in a Zionism context, with an eye towards determining whether some of those could reasonably be construed as indicative of Jesus' likely support for modern-day Zionism, if he lived in our Modern Age rather than Antiquity...
Both are valid speculative paths for conversation...
But speculation requires imagination and flexibility of intellect and a mind free of the dulling effects of dogma and an over-reliance upon Literalism...
Which is why you have so much difficulty in participating, in any meaningful sense, other than as a cut-and-paste automaton...
I, on the other hand, am engaging in valid speculation on the second point (above)...
I speculate on whether or not Jesus would have been a Zionist, had he lived in the Modern Era rather than Antiquity...
If anyone's posts are out of place here, it is your own...
If you do not wish to (or are not capable of) engaging in such high-order speculative exercises, then you and your cause would be best served if you disengaged.
If you want to participate without the faux Christianity Commercials, and without arbitrarily declaring your own viewpoint to be the unchallenged (albeit unsubstantiated) victor, then do so.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up, and let people who DO wish to post on the subject, do so in peace...
Nobody died and made you God, to decide who can and who cannot engage on such a topic, and in which fashion they may engage in it..
As to you trying to tell me what I believe in, and its legitimacy or lack thereof, feel free to commence blowing it out your ass, as soon as may be practicable.
Got it, Mahmoud?
Given that Zionism, as a distinguishable movement under a formal banner, has only been operative since the late 19th century...
The OP implies two speculative mandates...
1. conversation pertaining to Jesus recorded teachings and actions and commentaries and background and loyalties, in a Zionism context, with an eye towards determining whether those were of a nature that would lend themselves to modern-day labeling as 'Zionist'...
...or...
2. conversation pertaining to Jesus recorded teachings and actions and commentaries and background and loyalties, in a Zionism context, with an eye towards determining whether some of those could reasonably be construed as indicative of Jesus' likely support for modern-day Zionism, if he lived in our Modern Age rather than Antiquity...
Both are valid speculative paths for conversation...
But speculation requires imagination and flexibility of intellect and a mind free of the dulling effects of dogma and an over-reliance upon Literalism...
Which is why you have so much difficulty in participating, in any meaningful sense, other than as a cut-and-paste automaton...
I, on the other hand, am engaging in valid speculation on the second point (above)...
I speculate on whether or not Jesus would have been a Zionist, had he lived in the Modern Era rather than Antiquity...
If anyone's posts are out of place here, it is your own...
If you do not wish to (or are not capable of) engaging in such high-order speculative exercises, then you and your cause would be best served if you disengaged.
If you want to participate without the faux Christianity Commercials, and without arbitrarily declaring your own viewpoint to be the unchallenged (albeit unsubstantiated) victor, then do so.
Otherwise, shut the fuck up, and let people who DO wish to post on the subject, do so in peace...
Nobody died and made you God, to decide who can and who cannot engage on such a topic, and in which fashion they may engage in it..
As to you trying to tell me what I believe in, and its legitimacy or lack thereof, feel free to commence blowing it out your ass, as soon as may be practicable.
Got it, Mahmoud?
Deal with the real Jesus , not the one you imagine.
Deal with your obvious disbelief in the real Jesus and stop slandering the real Jesus who very clearly tells all of us who He is in the Christian Gospels.
If Jesus were living in the late 19th or the early 20th Centuries, during the early and formative years of the Zionist Movement, there is a very good chance that Jesus would have been a Zionist during that early period, although he might very well have withdrawn or resigned from the Movement once the disputes over land and once the violence began.
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