Even When Times Are Tough Keep Socialism as Your North Star, Though Building fully socialist society takes long time, we should never lose sight of it

[BothWings]

because human beings aren’t angels is 100 percent why socialism always fails and leads to oppression, poverty and death

because capitalism recognizes we aren’t, ue successful

Indeed, humans are natural capitalists. Things like communism and socialism oy work when. E everyone volunteers for it. Young people are the biggest suckers for those utopian visions. Gradually they start to realize what freedom really is and that other people's rules dont ways guarantee happiness. So they start to see that they should have strived to build their own dreams into reality, on their own merits That's why so many young folks who once supported the "left" eventually begin having second thoughts and embrace capitalism and conservative thinking more as they approach middle age. Socialism or communism is NEVER as good as it's proponents advertise. Which is why brand loyalty to it usually fades with the maturity of the citizen. Even socialism is not immune to the principles of a free market. The free market prevails in the end and there has never been a communist or socialist state which has proved otherwise

 

[francoHFW]

You have done your research.
Very well put.

BS, a dictatorship that owns all business and industry is communism. Socialism has always been democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. The USA is now the only modern country that is not socialist, IE a democracy with healthcare daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly they tax the rich and invest in their countries and people. Not in the USA though, after 40 years of GOP giveaway to the rich.... Now with the worst inequality, upward mobility, and homelessness. Glad you finally noticed, it's funny how everything is great under scumbag GOP governments lol

 

[Burgermeister]

The north star of socialism is communism.

 

[Donald H]

Yes. Exactly what I said.

You have done your research.
Very well put.

Doug wants to refer to socialist countries, but none exist.

I'm pushing the concept of socially responsible capitalism which exists and has proven successful throughout the world. And they don't and haven't fallen to dictatorships.

We musn't allow the topic to be hijacked.

Trump rose to popularitity because he promised to change the system for the benefit of the working class American. And there was even an attempt to take down the government cats by force!

See Tommy Douglas's Mouseland.

 

[francoHFW]

Indeed, humans are natural capitalists. Things like communism and socialism oy work when. E everyone volunteers for it. Young people are the biggest suckers for those utopian visions. Gradually they start to realize what freedom really is and that other people's rules dont ways guarantee happiness. So they start to see that they should have strived to build their own dreams into reality, on their own merits That's why so many young folks who once supported the "left" eventually begin having second thoughts and embrace capitalism and conservative thinking more as they approach middle age. Socialism or communism is NEVER as good as it's proponents advertise. Which is why brand loyalty to it usually fades with the maturity of the citizen. Even socialism is not immune to the principles of a free market. The free market prevails in the end and there has never been a communist or socialist state which has proved otherwise

every other modern country France Germany Spain Sweden Russia etcetera etcetera knows what socialism and communism is and what the difference is, IE democracy for God's sake. Only English speakers are so damn stupid, oops brainwashed functionally stupid. Every country that is not English speaking has had socialist and communist parties at the same time in their democracies. The socialists always win and the communists never will and never have. They disappeared with the USSR support.

 

[Donald H]

BS, a dictatorship that owns all business and industry is communism. Socialism has always been democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. The USA is now the only modern country that is not socialist, IE a democracy with healthcare daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly they tax the rich and invest in their countries and people. Not in the USA though, after 40 years of GOP giveaway to the rich.... Now with the worst inequality, upward mobility, and homelessness. Glad you finally noticed, it's funny how everything is great under scumbag GOP governments lol

In fact, Biden is making a good case on replacing the black cats with the white cats, but watch out because they'll still be cats.

 

[francoHFW]

The north star of socialism is communism.

The north star of socialism is fixing the injustices of savage capitalism. As far as socialism and communism, you don't know the difference like so many English speakers. Canada Australia New Zealand are all socialist without a doubt, but they have to call it labour parties or Christian Democrats or Social Democrats maybe even. The British are socialist but they try and do it on the cheap thanks to the scumbag Tory conservative party.

 

[BlackSand]

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Socialism is how Politicians use Class Warfare to Empower Themselves ...
By Convincing the People how Absolutely Awesome they would All be ... If they could just win the Lottery.
With the Complete and Full Understanding that most would just blow it all on Booze and Hookers ...

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[francoHFW]

In fact, Biden is making a good case on replacing the black cats with the white cats, but watch out because they'll still be cats.

Baloney, the problem is always the policies. Not some right wing baloney or alluding to... Of course Biden is for all the socialism ideas. Health care for all daycare help paid parental leave keep college and training great infrastructure and vacations, and taxing the rich again so we can invest in America and Americans again for God's sake, brainwashed functional moron GOP base. Black Cats and white cats? What kind of code and baloney is that?

 

[Donald H]

Yes this is the key to moving forward...abandoning all prior definitions and looking for a new and more effective combination of strategies.

Agreed.

JO

I don't think this can get very far on this board, but to at least post the 'Mouseland' story is a start for today.

My observation is that the American people elected Trump because they saw him as being the same as electing a government made up of mice.

 

[Burgermeister]

The north star of socialism is fixing the injustices of savage capitalism. As far as socialism and communism, you don't know the difference like so many English speakers. Canada Australia New Zealand are all socialist without a doubt, but they have to call it labour parties or Christian Democrats or Social Democrats maybe even. The British are socialist but they try and do it on the cheap thanks to the scumbag Tory conservative party.

I know the differences, similarities, and history of both a lot better than most people, and it seems that includes you.

 

[francoHFW]

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Socialism is how Politicians use Class Warfare to Empower Themselves ...
By Convincing the People how Absolutely Awesome they would All be ... If they could just win the Lottery.
With the Complete and Full Understanding that most would just blow it all on Booze and Hookers ...

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What the hell does that have to do with health care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal work, and mainly taxing the bloated rich again and investing in America again so we can lead the free world again and stop losing out to better educated foreigners with better infrastructure....

 

[Donald H]

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Socialism is how Politicians use Class Warfare to Empower Themselves ...
By Convincing the People how Absolutely Awesome they would All be ... If they could just win the Lottery.
With the Complete and Full Understanding that most would just blow it all on Booze and Hookers ...

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The MAGA's were afraid of the conversation too, just like you. But they were tricked into supporting the idea by calling it something else other than socially responsible government.

At least see my link to 'Mouseland'.

 

[francoHFW]

I don't think this can get very far on this board, but to at least post the 'Mouseland' story is a start for today.

My observation is that the American people elected Trump because they saw him as being the same as electing a government made up of mice.

They like the Republicans and like the conservatives in Weimar Germany, thought they could control the scumbag and they found out they couldn't. Thank God for the constitution and the American people finally when confronted with sedition and fascism.....

 

[BlackSand]

What the hell does that have to do with health care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal work, and mainly taxing the bloated rich again and investing in America again so we can lead the free world again and stop losing out to better educated foreigners with better infrastructure....

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You're Awesome FrancoWTF ... Just Keep Believing It If It Makes You Feel Better ...

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[justoffal]

I don't think this can get very far on this board, but to at least post the 'Mouseland' story is a start for today.

My observation is that the American people elected Trump because they saw him as being the same as electing a government made up of mice.

Americans had had enough of being shit on verbally and ethically by an elitist minority administration that still thinks its royal excreta doesn't stink.
Trump had very little to do with his own election...Obama had everything to do with it.

JO

 

[Donald H]

What the hell does that have to do with health care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal work, and mainly taxing the bloated rich again and investing in America again so we can lead the free world again and stop losing out to better educated foreigners with better infrastructure....

See, that's pretty well what Trump promised, and coincidentally, that's what Biden has promised.

But watch out for the white cats comeing after the black cats, and then the half black and half white cats, etc.

 

[francoHFW]

I know the differences, similarities, and history of both a lot better than most people, and it seems that includes you.

Well I have a masters in history with a concentration on the 20th century and I have lived in England France and Spain and I know what socialist means everywhere in the world but brainwashed UK and USA Canada Australia and New Zealand. But we are the only modern country without socialism. That is fair capitalism with a good safety net. Ever heard of Eugene debs?

 

[struth]

BS, a dictatorship that owns all business and industry is communism. Socialism has always been democratic fair capitalism with a good safety net. The USA is now the only modern country that is not socialist, IE a democracy with healthcare daycare cheap college and training great infrastructure and vacations, ID card to end illegal immigration, and mainly they tax the rich and invest in their countries and people. Not in the USA though, after 40 years of GOP giveaway to the rich.... Now with the worst inequality, upward mobility, and homelessness. Glad you finally noticed, it's funny how everything is great under scumbag GOP governments lol

Communism is when there is lo govt…it’s the step after socialism, but one that’s never come to exist because people aren’t angels and refuse to give up their socialist dictatorships

 

[Donald H]

They like the Republicans and like the conservatives in Weimar Germany, thought they could control the scumbag and they found out they couldn't. Thank God for the constitution and the American people finally when confronted with sedition and fascism.....

You get it franco!

But I will stay neutral, and I can as a Canadian.
I'm just interested in introducing the concept of socially responsible capitalism.