Ever hear the gun nuts say that gun registration will lead to confiscation?

[NYcarbineer]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

hey idiot the government (fbi and cops) had been told that is whackdoodle had guns

they didnt learn it off a registration

does stupidity come to you naturally or do you work at dumbing yourself down

Isn't the whole point of opposing gun registration that you don't want the government to know what guns you have?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Registration is a completely unrelated issue to the one of mental health and the due process required to declare a person mentally ill.

Oh, so none of this had anything to do with taking Cruz's guns away?

lol, fuck!!!

 

[jon_berzerk]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

hey idiot the government (fbi and cops) had been told that is whackdoodle had guns

they didnt learn it off a registration

does stupidity come to you naturally or do you work at dumbing yourself down

Isn't the whole point of opposing gun registration that you don't want the government to know what guns you have?

went over your head didnt it ya retard

in a registration law THE ONLY PEOPLE LAWFULLY EXEMPT FROM REGISTERING IS THE FELONS THOSE PROHIBITED FROM OWNING ONE

but continue to make yourself look stupid

Majority opinion[edit]
In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.

As with many other 5th amendment cases, felons and others prohibited from possessing firearms could not be compelled to incriminate themselves through registration.[1][2] The National Firearms Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm. This eliminated prosecution of prohibited persons, such as criminals, and cured the self-incrimination problem. In this new form, the new registration provision was upheld. The court held: " To eliminate the defects revealed by Haynes, Congress amended the Act so that only a possessor who lawfully makes, manufactures, or imports firearms can and must register them", United States v. Freed, 401 U.S. 601 (1971).[3] The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes.

Haynes v. United States - Wikipedia

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's review the point of the thread

1. the gun nuts blame law enforcement for not confiscating Cruz's guns

2. the gun nuts opposed gun registration because it aids in confiscation

3. therefore, the gun nuts are simultaneously for taking guns away from crazies but also for making it as difficult as possible to find the crazies' guns.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

hey idiot the government (fbi and cops) had been told that is whackdoodle had guns

they didnt learn it off a registration

does stupidity come to you naturally or do you work at dumbing yourself down

Isn't the whole point of opposing gun registration that you don't want the government to know what guns you have?

went over your head didnt it ya retard

in a registration law THE ONLY PEOPLE LAWFULLY EXEMPT FROM REGISTERING IS THE FELONS THOSE PROHIBITED FROM OWNING ONE

but continue to make yourself look stupid

Majority opinion[edit]
In a 7-1 decision, the Court ruled in 1968 in favor of Haynes. Earl Warren dissented in a one sentence opinion and Thurgood Marshall did not participate in the ruling.

As with many other 5th amendment cases, felons and others prohibited from possessing firearms could not be compelled to incriminate themselves through registration.[1][2] The National Firearms Act was amended after Haynes to make it apply only to those who could lawfully possess a firearm. This eliminated prosecution of prohibited persons, such as criminals, and cured the self-incrimination problem. In this new form, the new registration provision was upheld. The court held: " To eliminate the defects revealed by Haynes, Congress amended the Act so that only a possessor who lawfully makes, manufactures, or imports firearms can and must register them", United States v. Freed, 401 U.S. 601 (1971).[3] The original Haynes decision continues to block state prosecutions of criminals who fail to register guns as required by various state law gun registration schemes.

Haynes v. United States - Wikipedia

So Cruz was a felon? WTF?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Registration is a completely unrelated issue to the one of mental health and the due process required to declare a person mentally ill.

Oh, so none of this had anything to do with taking Cruz's guns away?

lol, fuck!!!

It had nothing to do with registration

I see your reading skills have not improved.

And I don't know anyone who takes the position that the adjudicated mentally ill should be allowed to have firearms

 

[Vastator]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Who is doing such blaming? Name names...

 

[BlackSand]

When you fill out the paperwork to buy a gun in a gun store, have a background check run, none of that information is saved somewhere?

I am not sure what the ATF does on their end ... I just don't know and haven't really cared.

As far as what the state and dealers do with the information ... In the state where I live ...
They are required by law to destroy that information within 48 hours of approval from the ATF.

Edit:
That doesn't mean that they cannot find a criminal in possession of a firearm ...
And trace the serial number back to where it was initially sold.

The dealers do keep records on the firearms they sell by serial number.

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[Geaux4it]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Clear and documented evidence exist that proves registration leads to confiscation

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Another pathetic, confused, and dishonest argument.

By the way, when tyrants have taken power and confiscated guns, they have used the gun registration lists as their starting point.

If we had a good national database on reports of mental illness and if we required background checks for all gun sales, it would be extremely hard for a mentally ill person to legally buy a gun.

Why does the government need to know if a law-abiding citizen owns a gun?

When you fill out the paperwork to buy a gun in a gun store, have a background check run, none of that information is saved somewhere?

Yes, not sure the duration, but FFL's are required to maintain a copy of the B/G paperwork.

-Geaux

 

[Vastator]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Another pathetic, confused, and dishonest argument.

By the way, when tyrants have taken power and confiscated guns, they have used the gun registration lists as their starting point.

If we had a good national database on reports of mental illness and if we required background checks for all gun sales, it would be extremely hard for a mentally ill person to legally buy a gun.

Why does the government need to know if a law-abiding citizen owns a gun?

So if the gun is lost, stolen, or sold it can be tracked.

There is already national data base of weapons reported “stolen”

 

[Zoom-boing]

Pro-gun people are blaming law enforcement for not taking away the shooters guns?

First I've heard of that.

Links?

Pro-gun people are blaming law enforcement and obama policies for not PREVENTING the shooter from purchasing a gun in the first place.

Dozens of red flags all over the damn place and no one, NO ONE, flagged this kid in the system so that when he turned 18 he'd be stopped from purchasing a gun.

How will more gun laws prevent the next shooting if current laws, which would have prevented him from purchasing a gun, are ignored?


smdh

 

[NYcarbineer]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Clear and documented evidence exist that proves registration leads to confiscation

-Geaux

So you would have opposed law enforcement confiscating the Florida killer's guns before the crime?

whoa.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Democrats are constantly scheming and scamming false registrations when it comes to voters. What’s your plan to make sure a gun register is not compromised like voter registrations?

Why have ANY imperfect laws? Since all laws are imperfect, why have any?

Exactly why a gun registration will not work. First of all, guns can already be tracked when they are purchased lawfully, Since most of the crimes are committed with guns non obtained lawfully, what are the chances of them being registered?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

So you would have opposed law enforcement confiscating the Florida killer's guns before the crime?

I love how you incorrectly frame the issue and blow the straw man away.



Cruz should have had several criminal convictions on his record well prior to his turning 18 and buying a gun. Thanks to the Broward County policy of not making arrests of high school kids (try to keep them out of jail) this kid slipped through the gaping fault lines.

This social engineering experiment to keep black kids from having a criminal record prior to becoming adults is what created Cruz. Rather than cure the real problem, Broward County suppressed and ignored it. Cruz is the result of social engineering. Thanks, Democrats.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Kind of like illegal alien registration will lead to deportation?

LOL IT HAS [you need to pay attention].

But of course registration for firearms won't right? After all we have your word on it.

Nor will your ability to own guns cure your paranoia.

The 4th Amendment protects the gun owner from random searches by executive authority, and requires police on all levels to secure a warrant from the Court, a warrant specific for place, and substantive explanation under penalty of perjury that what they request is legal and necessary.

 

[Geaux4it]

Of course you have.

But NOW they're blaming the governments at all levels for not confiscating the Florida school shooter's guns.

So how about, the next time this sort of thing happens, we have all guns registered so at least we'll know what guns the psychos have when we go to confiscate them.

Clear and documented evidence exist that proves registration leads to confiscation

-Geaux

So you would have opposed law enforcement confiscating the Florida killer's guns before the crime?

whoa.

Correct. Because Cruz lied on the background check NICS form. That is a federal offense

-Geaux