Evidence that global warming IS happening

Oh stop already. I've already put up several times that the IPCC and the Met Office and others have all agreed that the warming trend has stalled for 17 years now.

So what? It not only stalled, but plummeted in 1941.

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THAT wasn't the end of global warming. Why do you think this is?

You just make yourself look foolish trying to negate what your own AGW High Priests have reluctantly concluded.

Tell you what. Let's go read that Max Planck press release (which is not particularly new) and find out what it actually says.

Climate change: it’s only intermission

Global warming continues, even if the worst-case prognosis has become slightly less probable

May 29, 2013

Global warming again and again poses riddles for climatologists - but one thing is almost certain: in the next decades, the average temperature on the Earth will continue to increase, even though it increased much more slowly from 2001 to 2010 than during the previous decade. This is supported by new predictions from an international research team headed by scientists from the University of Oxford and under the participation of Directors Jochem Marotzke and Björn Stevens of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology. Based on current climactic data, the scientists have re-calculated how much the air at the Earth’s surface will have warmed once the carbon dioxide level of the atmosphere has doubled. This will be the case approximately mid-century if the concentration of greenhouse gases continues to grow at or above the current rate. The average temperature will have increased then by 0.9 to 2.0 degrees Celsius compared to pre-industrial levels. Through to the end of the century, the atmosphere would warm up considerably more than the two degrees which the UN Climate Change Conference wants to limit this warming to.

<p>No all-clear signal for global warming: The temperature at the Earth&rsquo;s surface will continue to climb, most drastically at the poles. The simulations of the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology show how far the temperature in various regions will probably rise through the year 2090 compared with the average temperature from 1986 to 2005. These prognoses made by the climate model remain current, even though the Earth warmed more slowly between 2001 and 2010 than during the previous decade.</p>
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No all-clear signal for global warming: The temperature at the Earth’s surface will continue to climb, most
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Climate change has been variable over the past two decades. While the global average temperature climbed faster than ever before during the 1990s, namely 0.24 degrees Celsius, it only increased approximately 0.03 degrees Celsius during the subsequent decade. “We have not been able to explain this weakening of the temperature increase at the Earth’s surface with our models up to now,” says Jochem Marotzke. “Nevertheless, the Earth has warmed overall. However, this warming has taken place primarily in the deeper layers of the oceans

Jochem Marotzke is part of a team of the most renowned climatologists in the world that is now taking into account the most recent increase of surface temperatures in a new prediction of how the Earth is warming due to the effects of greenhouse gases, primarily through carbon dioxide (CO2). This prognosis confirms that the climate models correctly predict the trend in global warming over a period of several decades, to about the middle or end of the 21st century. As a result, there are no grounds for an all-clear signal.

Following a doubling of CO2, the ultimate warming will take place over hundreds of years
The team working with Alexander Otto and Myles R. Allen from the University of Oxford differentiates between the medium-term and long-term reaction of the climate to a doubling of carbon dioxide content in the air expected to be reached in 2050. The greenhouse effects of the gases caused by this become immediately noticeable as soon as the carbon dioxide concentration has reached this level. The extent is expressed by climatologists as the transient climate response (TCR).

Since the climate system possesses a lot of inertia and the oceans warm up only very slowly for instance, it takes a while until the effect of the greenhouse gases fully develops: warming via the greenhouse gases is amplified through numerous feedback loops, but also weakened by several processes. Only once this complicated interaction has settled does the climate attain a stable state again. Climatologists calculate this long-term reaction of climate as the equilibrium climate sensitivity, or ECS. This corresponds to the ultimate temperature increase resulting from a doubling of the CO2 concentration that presumably ensues only after several hundred years.

The medium-term climate response as well as the long-term reaction reveals something about the strength of the feedback loops between the CO2 rise and global warming. The international team has now re-calculated both values.

Besides the temperature increase measurements during the past decade, there are important factors that go into the calculation that are critical to the Earth’s thermal budget. The most important one is the solar energy that irradiates Earth. This also includes, however, the heat that cannot be re-radiated back out into space due to the greenhouse gas effects of carbon dioxide. This heat amounts to almost exactly 3.44 W per square metre for a doubling of the CO2 concentration. In addition, the effects of volcanic eruptions and aerosols are introduced into the calculations. In the latter case, these are particles suspended in the air that shield against solar radiation on the one hand, and serve as condensation nuclei for cloud droplets on the other. The long-term reaction of climate additionally takes into account the oceans’ uptake of heat over time.

Warming of far more than two degrees toward the end of the century is a threat
Using these values, the researchers have calculated that the atmosphere close to the Earth’s surface will have warmed by 0.9 to 2.0 degrees Celsius with 90 per cent probability for a doubling of the CO2 content. The most probable amount is a temperature increase of 1.3 degrees. “The transient climate response we have calculated using the most current measurements lies within the bounds of climate model predictions, if not at its upper boundary,” says Alexander Otto, who performed the calculations at the University of Oxford.

If no additional greenhouse gas was emitted into the atmosphere following a doubling of the carbon dioxide concentration, the Earth would warm up about 1.2 to 3.9 degrees compared with the pre-industrial values with 90 per cent certainty during the following centuries. The most probable long-term reaction of the climate is a rise of about two degrees. “How high the long-term warming will turn out is still quite uncertain, however,” says Otto. “But for most of the political decisions, it is in any case critically important just how strongly the warming will actually be over the next 50 to 100 years.”

The Earth may therefore not heat up as much as might be feared from the worst-case prognosis. “That is no doubt good news,” says Reto Knutti from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology of Zurich and one of the participating researchers. “However, if the greenhouse gas emissions continue without respite, we will nevertheless have a temperature increase of much more than two degrees at the end of the century.”

How aerosols and clouds are involved with climate is not completely clear
Whether the Earth actually does warm somewhat slower, as many climate models have thus far suggested, remains uncertain – despite the measurements since 2000. “In view of what we know and don’t know about climate variability, we shouldn’t read too much into a single decade,” says Jochem Marotzke. This is because the researchers still need to clarify several details about how climate reacts to the increase of greenhouse gases. “At the moment, we assume for example that the effect of the feedback loops remains constant over time”, says Jochem Marotzke. “But we don’t know whether that is actually true.”

In addition, the role of aerosols is uncertain. How much sunlight do particles suspended in the upper atmospheric layers reflect? And how do they influence the formation of clouds and precipitation? Speaking of clouds. They are involved with climate in numerous ways: they do not just bring rain, they also shield against sunlight. But it is not clear how they react to global warming. Do more clouds form when the Earth becomes warmer, because more water evaporates then? Or do fewer clouds form because the air currents change?

Many questions therefore remain unanswered. But the knowledge gaps are closing. “Climatology is especially interesting at the moment,” says Björn Stevens. “The measurements of global heat exchange and the composition of the atmosphere have made enormous progress in the last two decades,” he says. “Since we’ve made further improvements to the models and can test them better, we are making rapid progress, especially regarding how the Earth will react to the rise in greenhouse gases.”
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The "NoTrickZone" review of that press release was a complete pile of lies.
 
Who's physical effects have yet to be observed in the physical world. That they are indeed GHG's is not in doubt. How they effect the atmosphere and global temperatures is however.

So you're rejecting the Greenhouse Effect. Can't say I'm real surprised, Per-fesser.

Where did I say that? I'm going to neg you for misrepresenting what I stated. Now go back and read what I said and tell us what that means.

Neg away Per-fesser.
 
Yet, for the 100 millionth time, global warming is real, MAN MADE global warming is not.

No.

Get it through your fucking thick liberal skulls.

I'd think about it were you to actually make a convincing case. But you have not. At all.

By blaming humans, the world governments have a free run on all sorts of green scams, that brings in hundreds of millions of dollars.

The world's governments running a scam for hundreds of millions of dollars? Wow... Hundreds. Not quite in the same ballpark as Bernie Madoff, but better than that fellow switching price tags down at the grocery store.

You stupid morons who cannot get past all of the cliches.

And you cannot get past all the personal insults when nothing is called for but real evidence. That you lack it should not make you angry with me. Look to your sources. Then try looking at the real evidence and see what it tells you.
 
Which one? The original one? The CRU altered one? The GISS altered one? The ACTUAL one?

I don't want to believe that scientist don't want to advance science anymore. Destroying the temperature record by altering would be just that.

You have seen ample evidence of just that. Like it or not, some climate scientists are willing to alter the record in order to gain money, fame, and political power.

You have shown nothing but that adjustments were made to the data - and explanations were given for those adjustments. You have NOT shown that those adjustments weren't called for and you have NOT provided any evidence that those making the adustments had ulterior motives of any sort. You see the adjustments and simply assume that they were done for deceptive and malicious purposes when you have no evidence indicating that at all. They call that PREJUDICE. In severe cases, they call it BIGOTRY. In either case, it is the result of the application of ignorance.
 
Virtually every molecule of CO2 above 280 ppm originates from fossil fuel combustion

Inspected them all, did ya?

Actually, you're wrong. All the molecules below 280 ppm originate from burning fossil fuels. They switched places with the "clean" CO2 last month after half-time.

YOU claimed there was no evidence that humans were responsible for the increased CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere. You were demonstrably incorrect. Humans, via the combustion of fossil fuels, are responsible for almost every single bit of the CO2 above the pre-industrial 280 ppm level. Why don't you try to hang on to that FACT because this isn't the first time I've had to explain this to you.
 
Virtually every molecule of CO2 above 280 ppm originates from fossil fuel combustion

Inspected them all, did ya?

Actually, you're wrong. All the molecules below 280 ppm originate from burning fossil fuels. They switched places with the "clean" CO2 last month after half-time.

YOU claimed there was no evidence that humans were responsible for the increased CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere. You were demonstrably incorrect. Humans, via the combustion of fossil fuels, are responsible for almost every single bit of the CO2 above the pre-industrial 280 ppm level. Why don't you try to hang on to that FACT because this isn't the first time I've had to explain this to you.










When was the CO2 level at 280ppm? How much CO2 is directly attributable to human action?
 
1) The temperature record

Which is an eye blink of the overall history of the Earth.

Have you ever heard anyone say that AGW was a process that has taken place throughout the "overall history of the Earth"? No. AGW is a process that has been taking place since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution and became a serious issue in the 20th century. Your comment is about as meaningful as saying we can't really study human space travel without looking back to the Bronze Age. Your comment is simply ignorant.

It's absolutely ridiculous to think that you can draw any reasonable conclusion about the grand scheme of geological activity from a 125 temperature record.

Once again, the climate is not a "geological activity". It does not operate on a geological scale. This comment, which you have made before and been roundly corrected on before, is simply ignorant.

If Charles Darwin thought like you all, he would have never been able to fathom the theory of evolution. Because hey, the past 125 years tell us everything we need to know about what's going to happen next.

Evolution takes place on a different time scale than does climate or human-caused climate changes. And neither is evolution a geological activity nor does it take place on a geological scale. Primate first diverged from other mammals 55 million years ago. Look, here's a diagram of the geological history of the Earth. It's done as a clock. That line a few seconds before midnight is the appearance of the first hominids. Right next to it is the entire span of the dinosaurs. Have a good look at this diagram and try to get it into your head that your comment about time scales are... simply ignorant.

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Teach yourself stuff. You need it.
 
Inspected them all, did ya?

Actually, you're wrong. All the molecules below 280 ppm originate from burning fossil fuels. They switched places with the "clean" CO2 last month after half-time.

YOU claimed there was no evidence that humans were responsible for the increased CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere. You were demonstrably incorrect. Humans, via the combustion of fossil fuels, are responsible for almost every single bit of the CO2 above the pre-industrial 280 ppm level. Why don't you try to hang on to that FACT because this isn't the first time I've had to explain this to you.

When was the CO2 level at 280ppm? How much CO2 is directly attributable to human action?

Are you suffering dementia or Alzheimers? You've heard all this before. Repeatedly.
 
The Great 'frozen' Lakes

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I just started a new thread on this topic. It seems that under more normal conditions, the jet stream circles the pole and remains to the north and at consistent latitudinal position. However, when the temperature DIFFERENCE between the tropics and poles is reduced, the jet stream begins to wander in what is called a Rossby Wave (Rosby?). It is these waves that are responsible for the arctic air and snow coming down through the midwest and then back up to the northeast. Europe is suffering from another such wave.

So, what has reduced the temperature difference between the tropics and poles? The significant heating in the Arctic and these days, the loss of albedo. We are getting polar air blowing through the midwest and northeast because of the warming at the North Pole.
 
The Great 'frozen' Lakes

greatlakes142b_wide-e91505428627e8337c1d7aeddbe26ecf887d593f-s40-c85.jpg

I just started a new thread on this topic. It seems that under more normal conditions, the jet stream circles the pole and remains to the north and at consistent latitudinal position. However, when the temperature DIFFERENCE between the tropics and poles is reduced, the jet stream begins to wander in what is called a Rossby Wave (Rosby?). It is these waves that are responsible for the arctic air and snow coming down through the midwest and then back up to the northeast. Europe is suffering from another such wave.

So, what has reduced the temperature difference between the tropics and poles? The significant heating in the Arctic and these days, the loss of albedo. We are getting polar air blowing through the midwest and northeast because of the warming at the North Pole.
So?

Do you really expect Me to waste My time with you in an actual discussion you will utterly ignore in favor of your own imaginings?

I've watched you ignore far to many good and proven studies that show that the evidence of man made global warming simply has not been proven and requires much more study.

Is the climate changing? Of a certainty. Man made? The verdict is still out, and evidence is pointing the other way.

Will people ignore it? Most definitely.
 
The Great 'frozen' Lakes

greatlakes142b_wide-e91505428627e8337c1d7aeddbe26ecf887d593f-s40-c85.jpg

I just started a new thread on this topic. It seems that under more normal conditions, the jet stream circles the pole and remains to the north and at consistent latitudinal position. However, when the temperature DIFFERENCE between the tropics and poles is reduced, the jet stream begins to wander in what is called a Rossby Wave (Rosby?). It is these waves that are responsible for the arctic air and snow coming down through the midwest and then back up to the northeast. Europe is suffering from another such wave.

So, what has reduced the temperature difference between the tropics and poles? The significant heating in the Arctic and these days, the loss of albedo. We are getting polar air blowing through the midwest and northeast because of the warming at the North Pole.
So?

Do you really expect Me to waste My time with you in an actual discussion you will utterly ignore in favor of your own imaginings?

I've watched you ignore far to many good and proven studies that show that the evidence of man made global warming simply has not been proven and requires much more study.

Is the climate changing? Of a certainty. Man made? The verdict is still out, and evidence is pointing the other way.

Will people ignore it? Most definitely.

You don't want to debate me? Oh, be still my beating heart!
 
YOU claimed there was no evidence that humans were responsible for the increased CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere. You were demonstrably incorrect. Humans, via the combustion of fossil fuels, are responsible for almost every single bit of the CO2 above the pre-industrial 280 ppm level. Why don't you try to hang on to that FACT because this isn't the first time I've had to explain this to you.

When was the CO2 level at 280ppm? How much CO2 is directly attributable to human action?

Are you suffering dementia or Alzheimers? You've heard all this before. Repeatedly.





Put the numbers up so we can rip them apart please. I want to know which particular brand of delusion you ascribe to. You guys have so many it's hard to keep them straight.
 
I just started a new thread on this topic. It seems that under more normal conditions, the jet stream circles the pole and remains to the north and at consistent latitudinal position. However, when the temperature DIFFERENCE between the tropics and poles is reduced, the jet stream begins to wander in what is called a Rossby Wave (Rosby?). It is these waves that are responsible for the arctic air and snow coming down through the midwest and then back up to the northeast. Europe is suffering from another such wave.

So, what has reduced the temperature difference between the tropics and poles? The significant heating in the Arctic and these days, the loss of albedo. We are getting polar air blowing through the midwest and northeast because of the warming at the North Pole.
So?

Do you really expect Me to waste My time with you in an actual discussion you will utterly ignore in favor of your own imaginings?

I've watched you ignore far to many good and proven studies that show that the evidence of man made global warming simply has not been proven and requires much more study.

Is the climate changing? Of a certainty. Man made? The verdict is still out, and evidence is pointing the other way.

Will people ignore it? Most definitely.

You don't want to debate me? Oh, be still my beating heart!






Here I am wanting to debate you and you're running away. C'mon chicken (note how I'm using your 3rd grade recess language so you can understand better?) put up, or shut up.
 
The Great 'frozen' Lakes

greatlakes142b_wide-e91505428627e8337c1d7aeddbe26ecf887d593f-s40-c85.jpg

I just started a new thread on this topic. It seems that under more normal conditions, the jet stream circles the pole and remains to the north and at consistent latitudinal position. However, when the temperature DIFFERENCE between the tropics and poles is reduced, the jet stream begins to wander in what is called a Rossby Wave (Rosby?). It is these waves that are responsible for the arctic air and snow coming down through the midwest and then back up to the northeast. Europe is suffering from another such wave.

So, what has reduced the temperature difference between the tropics and poles? The significant heating in the Arctic and these days, the loss of albedo. We are getting polar air blowing through the midwest and northeast because of the warming at the North Pole.






It's Rossby, and then you need to look up Ferrel Cells to further your understanding.
 
Okay. Done. Now how does that modify the author's statement that Rossby waves are driven by the delta T between the tropics and the poles and that the reason the US is getting such shit weather is the warming of the Arctic?

"The outflow from the cell creates harmonic waves in the atmosphere known as Rossby waves. These ultra-long waves play an important role in determining the path of the jet stream, which travels within the transitional zone between the tropopause and the Ferrel cell. By acting as a heat sink, the Polar cell also balances the Hadley cell in the Earth&#8217;s energy equation."

and


Ferrel cell
The Ferrel cell, theorized by William Ferrel (1817&#8211;1891), is a secondary circulation feature, dependent for its existence upon the Hadley cell and the Polar cell. It behaves much as an atmospheric ball bearing between the Hadley cell and the Polar cell, and comes about as a result of the eddy circulations (the high and low pressure areas) of the mid-latitudes. For this reason it is sometimes known as the "zone of mixing." At its southern extent (in the Northern hemisphere), it overrides the Hadley cell, and at its northern extent, it overrides the Polar cell. Just as the Trade Winds can be found below the Hadley cell, the Westerlies can be found beneath the Ferrel cell. Thus, strong high pressure areas which divert the prevailing westerlies, such as a Siberian high (which could be considered an extension of the Arctic high), could be said to override the Ferrel cell, making it discontinuous.
While the Hadley and Polar cells are truly closed loops, the Ferrel cell is not, and the telling point is in the Westerlies, which are more formally known as "the Prevailing Westerlies." While the Trade Winds and the Polar Easterlies have nothing over which to prevail, their parent circulation cells having taken care of any competition they might have to face, the Westerlies are at the mercy of passing weather systems. While upper-level winds are essentially westerly, surface winds can vary sharply and abruptly in direction. A low moving polewards or a high moving equator wards maintains or even accelerates a westerly flow; the local passage of a cold front may change that in a matter of minutes, and frequently does. A strong high moving polewards may bring easterly winds for days.
The base of the Ferrel cell is characterized by the movement of air masses, and the location of these air masses is influenced in part by the location of the jet stream, which acts as a collector for the air carried aloft by surface lows (a look at a weather map will show that surface lows follow the jet stream). The overall movement of surface air is from the 30th latitude to the 60th. However, the upper flow of the Ferrel cell is not well defined. This is in part because it is intermediary between the Hadley and Polar cells, with neither a strong heat source nor a strong cold sink to drive convection and, in part, because of the effects on the upper atmosphere of surface eddies, which act as destabilizing influences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_circulation

You're going to have to convince me that I'm wrong when I suspect that prior to this thread you'd never heard of Rossby waves or Ferrel cells and that you looked this article up and pulled the term from the text. Now I hadn't either, but I made it pretty clear I was just passing on an article I'd read. This would be an attempt to falsify your creds - a failure to give credit where credit was due (Wikipedia) and I may just have to neg you for it. ;-)
 
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Now you need some actual evidence that humans are responsible.....good luck with that. Decades of skeptics asking for the evidence and still none has been produced....maybe you have a model you would like to offer up.

Since we all know that no actual evidence of man's responsibility for the changing global climate will be forthcoming...maybe some sort of evidence that anything in the present climate is unprecedented....or maybe outside the boundries of natural variability....got anything like that? We both know that once again, the answer is no..



What you have is coincidental corrobrative evidence and a hysterical streak a foot wide running up your back.



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Where the fuck do you get the idea there's any shortage of evidence in this regard?


From the fact that skeptics have been asking for actual evidence for decades now and none has been produced. If there were any you wackos would have it in your sig line and never stop posting it.
 

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