Ernie S.
Diamond Member
Madison would call you an idiot
Madison would slap you sillier.
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Madison would call you an idiot
Madison clearly said he that that is WHAT he intended to be in the constitution
He wanted a Separation of Government and Organized Churches, he did not want a Nation where the meer Mention of god Was illegal. The Founders desire for Separation was Targeted at keeping Organized Churches from Playing a Roll, or A State Church being Established. They clearly saw nothing wrong with Religious Symbols, and Prayers in Public Places as their world, including Federal Property was FULL OF THEM!!
He wanted a Separation of Government and Organized Churches, he did not want a Nation where the meer Mention of god Was illegal. The Founders desire for Separation was Targeted at keeping Organized Churches from Playing a Roll, or A State Church being Established. They clearly saw nothing wrong with Religious Symbols, and Prayers in Public Places as their world, including Federal Property was FULL OF THEM!!
this does not make it illegal you fool.
It keeps it out of government.
public schools are government
I simply do not believe a non denominational Prayer in a public School Violates the Constitution TM. It does in effect make it illegal to display a Prayer in a Public School.
I again point to the fact the for Generations in this country there was Prayer in school, and Religious Symbols all over our Federal Institutions. So your argument that our Founders intended a Nation with no Religions Symbols or Religious Speech allowed on any Public Property is simply not true.
Liberals in Recent times have taken the Interpretation of the Separation and Non Establishment Clauses to an Extreme, and in Many Cases actually Violate the Vast Majorities Right to Free Expression of Religion in the Name of not offended a Minority.
You can not claim what Liberals want today, Is what the Founders Intended, because it is not what the Founders did in Practice, nor anyone, For over 200 years before Progressives Decided To Push the Interpretation to the extreme.
James Madison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
James Madison, Jr. (March 16, 1751 (O.S. March 5) June 28, 1836) was an American statesman and political theorist. He was the fourth President of the United States (18091817) and is hailed as the Father of the Constitution for being instrumental in the drafting of the United States Constitution and as the key champion and author of the United States Bill of Rights.[1] He inherited tobacco land and owned slaves although he spent his entire adult life as a career politician.
Show me where the Constitution actually uses the words "separation of church and state". The dirty little secret is that an FDR appointed justice who was a former KKK member and hated and feared Papists wrote the majority opinion that outlines the modern version of "SCS". The 1st Amendment was intended to take government out of religion not regulate Christian beliefs.
Madison would call you an idiot
Madison would slap you sillier.
No problem. Tell that to the schools that ban Christian prayer but promote islam, like the California school system.If they want to keep their Christian prayer at a secular public school...fine...as long as prayers from all the world religions are given equal wall space.
this does not make it illegal you fool.
It keeps it out of government.
public schools are government
I simply do not believe a non denominational Prayer in a public School Violates the Constitution TM. It does in effect make it illegal to display a Prayer in a Public School.
I again point to the fact the for Generations in this country there was Prayer in school, and Religious Symbols all over our Federal Institutions. So your argument that our Founders intended a Nation with no Religions Symbols or Religious Speech allowed on any Public Property is simply not true.
Liberals in Recent times have taken the Interpretation of the Separation and Non Establishment Clauses to an Extreme, and in Many Cases actually Violate the Vast Majorities Right to Free Expression of Religion in the Name of not offended a Minority.
You can not claim what Liberals want today, Is what the Founders Intended, because it is not what the Founders did in Practice, nor anyone, For over 200 years before Progressives Decided To Push the Interpretation to the extreme.
The beginning and the end of the prayer as shown in the photo was NOT non-denominational.
James Madison's Veto Messages by Gene Garman
Madison knows more about the constitution than any of you
James Madison's Veto Messages by Gene Garman
Madison knows more about the constitution than any of you
Tell us exactly where in your cited quote Madison said anything about taking down prayers from the walls of schools. When you can do that, you have an argument. You cannot take a few words from Madison and use them to promote your agenda. You must look at 18th and early 19th century practice as a whole and not cherry pick a quote you think supports your minority position.
I simply do not believe a non denominational Prayer in a public School Violates the Constitution TM. It does in effect make it illegal to display a Prayer in a Public School.
I again point to the fact the for Generations in this country there was Prayer in school, and Religious Symbols all over our Federal Institutions. So your argument that our Founders intended a Nation with no Religions Symbols or Religious Speech allowed on any Public Property is simply not true.
Liberals in Recent times have taken the Interpretation of the Separation and Non Establishment Clauses to an Extreme, and in Many Cases actually Violate the Vast Majorities Right to Free Expression of Religion in the Name of not offended a Minority.
You can not claim what Liberals want today, Is what the Founders Intended, because it is not what the Founders did in Practice, nor anyone, For over 200 years before Progressives Decided To Push the Interpretation to the extreme.
The beginning and the end of the prayer as shown in the photo was NOT non-denominational.
Yes it is.
Heavenly Father is for all denominations and so is Amen
nondenominational -
not of or related to any religious denominations
The beginning and the end of the prayer as shown in the photo was NOT non-denominational.
Yes it is.
Heavenly Father is for all denominations and so is Amen
nondenominational -
not of or related to any religious denominations
And many beliefs do not include a god
Show me where the Constitution actually uses the words "separation of church and state". The dirty little secret is that an FDR appointed justice who was a former KKK member and hated and feared Papists wrote the majority opinion that outlines the modern version of "SCS". The 1st Amendment was intended to take government out of religion not regulate Christian beliefs.
Wait....you mean Thomas Jefferson did NOT coin the phrase "separation of church and state" when referring to the 'free exercise of religion' clause of the 1st Amendment in his Danbury Baptist letter back over 100 years before FDR?
I simply do not believe a non denominational Prayer in a public School Violates the Constitution TM. It does in effect make it illegal to display a Prayer in a Public School.
I again point to the fact the for Generations in this country there was Prayer in school, and Religious Symbols all over our Federal Institutions. So your argument that our Founders intended a Nation with no Religions Symbols or Religious Speech allowed on any Public Property is simply not true.
Liberals in Recent times have taken the Interpretation of the Separation and Non Establishment Clauses to an Extreme, and in Many Cases actually Violate the Vast Majorities Right to Free Expression of Religion in the Name of not offended a Minority.
You can not claim what Liberals want today, Is what the Founders Intended, because it is not what the Founders did in Practice, nor anyone, For over 200 years before Progressives Decided To Push the Interpretation to the extreme.
The beginning and the end of the prayer as shown in the photo was NOT non-denominational.
Yes it is.
Heavenly Father is for all denominations and so is Amen
nondenominational -
not of or related to any religious denominations
And many beliefs do not include a god
Wait....you mean Thomas Jefferson did NOT coin the phrase "separation of church and state" when referring to the 'free exercise of religion' clause of the 1st Amendment in his Danbury Baptist letter back over 100 years before FDR?
James Madison's Veto Messages by Gene Garman
Madison knows more about the constitution than any of you
Tell us exactly where in your cited quote Madison said anything about taking down prayers from the walls of schools. When you can do that, you have an argument. You cannot take a few words from Madison and use them to promote your agenda. You must look at 18th and early 19th century practice as a whole and not cherry pick a quote you think supports your minority position.
Open prayer has not been allowed in our schools since 1962