Eviscerating 'The Roosevelt Alibi'

[PoliticalChic]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Yes, post the multitudes of felicitations from all American liberals...proof the lies that come out of your mouth with cut-n-paste articles...from Ann no doubt...

1. I never lie.
Can you cite one?

2. Can you explain why the uneducated....i.e., you, ...find 'cut and paste' to be a pejorative?

 

[Moonglow]

If you folks want to really hear a fantastic bit of post war history from the Russian perspective, try to Google Stephen Ambrose's 20 minute or so appearance on the old BBC World at War series from the 70's. Ambrose is still a hippie, and his research really does defend the Russian point of view, and not so much Stalin's about the post war division of Europe.

You're not serious, are you?????


All history taught in American universities since the 40s has been "from the Russian perspective."

But written by US authors..with a Russian slant....Most I have read leave the Soviets as minor players in our winning the war scenarios..Cast an unfavorable light upon communism and the leaders.I have yet to read one exalting communistic ideals and their cult leadership...Maybe I went to the wrong colleges and universities like yours...

 

[Moonglow]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Yes, post the multitudes of felicitations from all American liberals...proof the lies that come out of your mouth with cut-n-paste articles...from Ann no doubt...

1. I never lie.
Can you cite one?

2. Can you explain why the uneducated....i.e., you, ...find 'cut and paste' to be a pejorative?

I see no list of all liberals that claimed Oblama was the messiah...Derp...

 

[rightwinger]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

FDR is supposed to dictate surrender terms in 1940 before the US is even in the war ?

 

[Moonglow]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

I see you only Heritage Foundation/Ann Coulter flag is waving...Are you and Mathew related, all you can do is beat a dead horse with the same shtick as usual, you're stuck in a rut, try a new approach...

 

[Moonglow]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

 

[Camp]

If you folks want to really hear a fantastic bit of post war history from the Russian perspective, try to Google Stephen Ambrose's 20 minute or so appearance on the old BBC World at War series from the 70's. Ambrose is still a hippie, and his research really does defend the Russian point of view, and not so much Stalin's about the post war division of Europe.

You're not serious, are you?????


All history taught in American universities since the 40s has been "from the Russian perspective."

I posted a link to the hour long historical documentary mentioned. It was made in 1973. The average American soldier serving in WWII was 25, meaning that the documentary was created to be viewed by the people who actually lived during that the period being covered. The audience for that group would be less than 60 years old in many cases, some might be looking at themselves in the old films, or at least viewing incidents they participated in. The people interviewed are the actual participants. The writers were present when many of the events took place. It isn't history written by Russians. It is history written with a view and influence of the people who lived it. You might find some mistakes and misconceptions that can be pointed out and debated, but it is far better than the revisionist garbage used to promote a political driven conspiracy theory or a revisionist account created to mislead the audience away from truth.
FDR was chosen four times by the American people to lead them through some of the most dangerous and difficult times in American history. He came into the Presidency in the midst of the Great Depression and while storm clouds of war were gathering in Japan and Germany. During his time in office the Depression ended, Japan and Germany were defeated and America had become the strongest and richest county in the world. Morons like the author of the OP think they know how all of that could have been done better, easier, more efficiently and with better results.

 

[rightwinger]

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

Hitler wouldn't surrender in May 1945 with the Soviets knocking on his door, but Frau Braun claims he would have surrendered in 1940 if FDR asked him nicely

 

[Moonglow]

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

Hitler wouldn't surrender with the Soviets knocking on his door, but Frau Braun claims he would have surrendered in 1940 if FDR asked him nicely

He would have just given up the farm and gone fishing...But that mean FDR wouldna not let him..Hitler was such a blessing and was putting out feelers to the allies for peace...he didn't mean to start the war either, and them Jews accidentally feel into the ovens...

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you folks want to really hear a fantastic bit of post war history from the Russian perspective, try to Google Stephen Ambrose's 20 minute or so appearance on the old BBC World at War series from the 70's. Ambrose is still a hippie, and his research really does defend the Russian point of view, and not so much Stalin's about the post war division of Europe.

You're not serious, are you?????


All history taught in American universities since the 40s has been "from the Russian perspective."

But written by US authors..with a Russian slant....Most I have read leave the Soviets as minor players in our winning the war scenarios..Cast an unfavorable light upon communism and the leaders.I have yet to read one exalting communistic ideals and their cult leadership...Maybe I went to the wrong colleges and universities like yours...

1. The best kind of scam is one in which the one being scammed doesn't realized that they've been scammed.

That's you: oblivious.

2. In "Koba the Dread: Laughter and the Twenty Million," Martin Amis, begins with this question: Why can people joke about Stalin, the USSR, and their past "flirtations" with communism, while no one can (in acceptable society) make similar jokes about Hitler and National Socialist Germany?



Go into a quiet room, and think deeply about the import of that question.

And remember.....there is not a single metric by which Stalin can be judged less evil than Hitler.


3. ".I have yet to read one exalting communistic ideals and their cult leadership."
You are really obtuse.
There are numerous examples of professors and self-proclaimed intellectuals who claim to be communists and Marxists.....

How many claim to be Nazis?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bowing to popular requests.....here is another thread awarding Franklin Delano Roosevelt the contumely he so richly deserves! (Actually, the sort of fake requests by folks who really don't want the truth mentioned.)



1. For the Left, Franklin Roosevelt must be seen as the brilliant savior, not only of America, but of all of the Western world! And, toward that end, all of his endeavors in aiding and abetting Stalin have to be seen as saving the world from Nazism.....
(Notice how frequently the Left anoints 'saviors'?)



Get ready: here it comes...after all.....without Roosevelt's aid to Russia, Hitler would have defeated the USSR, and the rest of the world!!!
(Cue Toccata and Fugue in D minor)

That's the alibi that Roosevelt fans use to 'explain' Roosevelt's slavish, servile, obsequious conduct toward Joseph Stalin.


Is the alibi true?








Of course not.....nothing could be further from the truth.


Actually, here is the reality:
a. Stalin would not only not have surrendered, he would have defeated Hitler!

b. He used Roosevelt to make sure that there would be no German resistance to communism in Europe post war,

c. He forced Roosevelt to refuse to accept German surrender, or armistice, extending the war by several years, and costing hundreds of thousands of American lives.






2. Today, with the research unshrouded by wartime propaganda, who believes that Stalin would have surrendered to Hitler?
Only the usual suspects, the fools who still worship Franklin Roosevelt and need the mythology and hagiography to retain the Liberal worldview of history.


Two facts that make my argument:
a. Stalin could not care less how many Russian lives were lost.... and it was Stalin, rather than Hitler, who killed the most Russians.

b. The Russians were prepared for Hitler's attack; Hitler began Operation Barbarossa with only two months supplies...


And, get this: it is impossible to make an argument that Stalin was any better than Hitler. Stalin was smarter and more devious....and far more evil...than either Hitler or Roosevelt.




3. What the heck would lead anyone to believe that Stalin would surrender to Hitler???
The fabrication is central to any argument designed to shield Roosevelt, and explain his pandering to the homicidal maniac, Stalin.

Sans the view that everything Roosevelt did saved Russia from being steam-rollered by the Nazis, surrendering to Hitler, and giving Hitler a free hand in the west.....well.....the curtain is pulled aside, and everyone can see that the wizard of Hyde Park weren't no wizard at all!

He was to Stalin what pre-pubescent teeny-boppers are to Justin Bieber....love-sick.

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Yes, post the multitudes of felicitations from all American liberals...proof the lies that come out of your mouth with cut-n-paste articles...from Ann no doubt...

1. I never lie.
Can you cite one?

2. Can you explain why the uneducated....i.e., you, ...find 'cut and paste' to be a pejorative?

I see no list of all liberals that claimed Oblama was the messiah...Derp...

a.He claimed, at his nomination, that this would be “the moment when the rise of the oceans would begin to slow and our planet begin to heal.” Barack Obama’s victory speech, June 3, 2008 The day will come when we look back at this display of hubris and narcissism, and the complicity of the public which found him more popular than Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King, and Mother Teresa (January 2009 poll found in ‘Christianity Today,’ February 22, 2009) as astounding.


b. David Cordero, 24, made the sculpture for his senior show after noticing all the attention Obama has received: "All of this is a response to what I've been witnessing and hearing, this idea that Barack is sort of a potential savior that might come and absolve the country of all its sins," Cordero said.Sculpture of Obama as Jesus causes stir - politics - Decision '08 - Barack Obama News - msnbc.com

c. Obama told the estimated crowd of 450 people that her husband is "the kind of president this country deserves. "
Obama closed by asking the crowd three times: "Are you in?"
She responded to her own question by saying: "Because I am so in."

"We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."
Source: Michelle Obama, Campaign rally. April 17, 2012.

d. In its November 22, 2010 issue, Obama has been shown by Newsweek on its cover page with multiple arms balancing several policy issues while raising his left leg mimicking the cosmic dance of the Hindu deity; considered a manifestation of Lord Shiva.
... Newsweek has named Obama "god of all things" on its cover.
SOURCE: Times of India (November 20, 2010).

e. Rabbi David Saperstein, reading from Psalms in English and Hebrew, noticed from the altar that the good men and women of the congregation that day, including the Bidens and other dignitaries, had not yet stood. Finally Bishop Vashti McKenzie of the African Methodist Church asked that everyone rise. At that moment Saperstein saw something from his angle of vision: "If I had seen it in a movie I would have groaned and said, 'Give me a break. That's so trite.'" A beam of morning light shown [sic] through the stained-glass windows and illuminated the president-elect's face. Several of the clergy and choir on the altar who also saw it marveled afterward about the presence of the Divine.
The Promise: President Obama, Year One, by Jonathan Alter.
(Simon & Schuster, May 2010 - p. 102)

f. He is provocative in insisting on an outstretched hand, where others only see animosity.
His tangible results in the short time that he has been active – are few and far between. His greatest results have been created with words and speeches – words that remain in the consciousness of their audience and have long-term effects.

He comes from humble beginnings and defends the weak and vulnerable, because he can identify himself with their conditions.

And no we are not thinking of Jesus Christ, whose birthday has just been celebrated - - but rather the President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama. [...]
Today, his historic Health Reform is being passed through the American Senate – a welfare policy breakthrough that several of his predecessors have been unable to manage. [...]

On the other hand, we have Jesus’ miracles that everyone still remembers, but which only benefitted a few.

Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus –
Source: "Obama greater than Jesus" Politiken Editorial [Denmark] December 29, 2009.

g. The White House released a photo of Obama with a halo around his head:Photostream: Business and Pleasure in August | The White House

h. "Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of GOD."

"In a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of GOD. He's going to bring all different sides together."

- Newsweek editor Evan Thomas

i. EAST POINT, Ga.—The day after Barack Obama was elected president, Larry Younginer knelt in front of the congregants at his suburban Atlanta church and offered a prayer of thanks.
"Lord, we have again come to you in prayer, and you have heard our cries from heaven, and you have sent us again from the state called Illinois, a man called Barack to heal our land," said Younginer, a 62-year-old retired information systems worker at Coca Cola in Atlanta. "We pray that you will build a hedge around him that will protect him from those who would do him harm."
"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."

Some see God's will in Obama win, by Dahleen Glanton. Chicago Tribune November 29, 2008.Is Barack Obama the Messiah?

__________________

SpikeLeesaidPresident BarackObamais "not perfect," but that expectations for hisfirstterm"were way too high."

“He was a savior,black Jesus,”the actor-director told CNN's Don Lemon in an interview airing in its entirety Saturday.“Look, I don't care who it was. Expectations were way too high.”
Spike Lee Barack Obama is not perfect - POLITICO.com


Community Organizers pray to Obama:




12/17/13 "On CNN’sPiers Morgan LiveTuesday, in a brief discussion about President Obama, Barbara Walters actually said, “We thought that he was going to be - I shouldn't say this at Christmastime, but - the next messiah”
Read more:Barbara Walters on Obama We Thought He Was Going To Be The Next Messiah

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

 

[rightwinger]

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

What did you say?

Be specific about what you expect to have happened?

 

[Moonglow]

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

It would be the only way out of a surrender, you have proven to be weak...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

What did you say?

Be specific about what you expect to have happened?

I said you are an uneducated dunce.

Specific enough?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Lets see who won

Stalin
- Lost 20 million casualties
- Much of his country destroyed
- Gained Eastern Europe for 45 years
- Communism ultimately collapsed

FDR
- Lost 400,000
- Emerged with strongest military in the world
- Emerged with strongest economy
- Avoided any damage to the US
- Saved Western Europe and ended up with Germany and Japan as an allies

FDR wins once again

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

It would be the only way out of a surrender, you have proven to be weak...

I asked you a question.

Did I ever say that Hitler would surrender?

 

[Moonglow]

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

It would be the only way out of a surrender, you have proven to be weak...

I asked you a question.

Did I ever say that Hitler would surrender?

Sure, you have implied it every time that you start this redundancy of opinion..

 

[Moonglow]

Wow....how did history forget so many things?

It seems the FDR hero worship from the left, is almost as strong as the right's hero worship of Reagan

1. The winner writes the history.

Stalin was the winner.


2. The right never worships it's leaders....the Left does.

" Liberals worship so many political deities that they must refer to them by initials, just to save time- FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, LBJ, and O.J.
Ever hear a conservative get weepy about “RWR” or refer to something as hokey as “Camelot”? Passionate adoration are the primitive emotions of a mob, sentiments generally associated with women, children, and savages,..."
Coulter


Need to be reminded of all the Liberals who called Obama 'savior, messiah, or Jesus"?

Yes, post the multitudes of felicitations from all American liberals...proof the lies that come out of your mouth with cut-n-paste articles...from Ann no doubt...

1. I never lie.
Can you cite one?

2. Can you explain why the uneducated....i.e., you, ...find 'cut and paste' to be a pejorative?

I see no list of all liberals that claimed Oblama was the messiah...Derp...

a.He claimed, at his nomination, that this would be “the moment when the rise of the oceans would begin to slow and our planet begin to heal.” Barack Obama’s victory speech, June 3, 2008 The day will come when we look back at this display of hubris and narcissism, and the complicity of the public which found him more popular than Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King, and Mother Teresa (January 2009 poll found in ‘Christianity Today,’ February 22, 2009) as astounding.


b. David Cordero, 24, made the sculpture for his senior show after noticing all the attention Obama has received: "All of this is a response to what I've been witnessing and hearing, this idea that Barack is sort of a potential savior that might come and absolve the country of all its sins," Cordero said.Sculpture of Obama as Jesus causes stir - politics - Decision '08 - Barack Obama News - msnbc.com

c. Obama told the estimated crowd of 450 people that her husband is "the kind of president this country deserves. "
Obama closed by asking the crowd three times: "Are you in?"
She responded to her own question by saying: "Because I am so in."

"We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."
Source: Michelle Obama, Campaign rally. April 17, 2012.

d. In its November 22, 2010 issue, Obama has been shown by Newsweek on its cover page with multiple arms balancing several policy issues while raising his left leg mimicking the cosmic dance of the Hindu deity; considered a manifestation of Lord Shiva.
... Newsweek has named Obama "god of all things" on its cover.
SOURCE: Times of India (November 20, 2010).

e. Rabbi David Saperstein, reading from Psalms in English and Hebrew, noticed from the altar that the good men and women of the congregation that day, including the Bidens and other dignitaries, had not yet stood. Finally Bishop Vashti McKenzie of the African Methodist Church asked that everyone rise. At that moment Saperstein saw something from his angle of vision: "If I had seen it in a movie I would have groaned and said, 'Give me a break. That's so trite.'" A beam of morning light shown [sic] through the stained-glass windows and illuminated the president-elect's face. Several of the clergy and choir on the altar who also saw it marveled afterward about the presence of the Divine.
The Promise: President Obama, Year One, by Jonathan Alter.
(Simon & Schuster, May 2010 - p. 102)

f. He is provocative in insisting on an outstretched hand, where others only see animosity.
His tangible results in the short time that he has been active – are few and far between. His greatest results have been created with words and speeches – words that remain in the consciousness of their audience and have long-term effects.

He comes from humble beginnings and defends the weak and vulnerable, because he can identify himself with their conditions.

And no we are not thinking of Jesus Christ, whose birthday has just been celebrated - - but rather the President of the United States Barack Hussein Obama. [...]
Today, his historic Health Reform is being passed through the American Senate – a welfare policy breakthrough that several of his predecessors have been unable to manage. [...]

On the other hand, we have Jesus’ miracles that everyone still remembers, but which only benefitted a few.

Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus –
Source: "Obama greater than Jesus" Politiken Editorial [Denmark] December 29, 2009.

g. The White House released a photo of Obama with a halo around his head:Photostream: Business and Pleasure in August | The White House

h. "Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of GOD."

"In a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of GOD. He's going to bring all different sides together."

- Newsweek editor Evan Thomas

i. EAST POINT, Ga.—The day after Barack Obama was elected president, Larry Younginer knelt in front of the congregants at his suburban Atlanta church and offered a prayer of thanks.
"Lord, we have again come to you in prayer, and you have heard our cries from heaven, and you have sent us again from the state called Illinois, a man called Barack to heal our land," said Younginer, a 62-year-old retired information systems worker at Coca Cola in Atlanta. "We pray that you will build a hedge around him that will protect him from those who would do him harm."
"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."

Some see God's will in Obama win, by Dahleen Glanton. Chicago Tribune November 29, 2008.Is Barack Obama the Messiah?

__________________

SpikeLeesaidPresident BarackObamais "not perfect," but that expectations for hisfirstterm"were way too high."

“He was a savior,black Jesus,”the actor-director told CNN's Don Lemon in an interview airing in its entirety Saturday.“Look, I don't care who it was. Expectations were way too high.”
Spike Lee Barack Obama is not perfect - POLITICO.com


Community Organizers pray to Obama:




12/17/13 "On CNN’sPiers Morgan LiveTuesday, in a brief discussion about President Obama, Barbara Walters actually said, “We thought that he was going to be - I shouldn't say this at Christmastime, but - the next messiah”
Read more:Barbara Walters on Obama We Thought He Was Going To Be The Next Messiah

You have only proven a few people out of millions, so you are short the rest of the proof, by several tens of millions...Thanks for the info and the workout session..

 

[rightwinger]

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

What did you say?

Be specific about what you expect to have happened?

I said you are an uneducated dunce.

Specific enough?

Whats the matter PC?.....run out of unrelated cut and pastes to answer with?

So where are we? ...Your eighth or tenth attempt at this lame troll thread and you still can't move beyond your lame opening post

FDR is laughing at you from his grave

 

[rightwinger]

Stop lying.

Stalin didn't have 20 million casualites...

...he had 20 million victims.

That's only the Russian victims.



By insisting that Roosevelt demand 'unconditional surrender,' thereby extending the war 3-5 years....

150,00-200,000 American soldiers were also his victims.

Again with that lie?

You have yet to provide any valid scenario where the war could have ended 3-5 years earlier

The war could have ended in 1940....go at it

She has never proven that Hitler would have surrendered...

See, that's the kind of lie you hide behind.

I never said that Hitler would have surrendered.

Did I?

It would be the only way out of a surrender, you have proven to be weak...

I asked you a question.

Did I ever say that Hitler would surrender?

What Frau Braun means is that FDR should have surrendered to Hitler in 1940