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Said they guy who decided AMRAAMs in HOJ go ballistic if radiation source goes away, claims Russian IR sensors are better than has to admit he has no idea the technical specs of either system, thinks standoff jamming is suitable for moving airborne targets, thought US didn't use IR systems over previous decades, etc.I, for one, will not speculate.
Reading comprehension fail. This was my post:There you go again. You are requiring the Russians to fly with the Radar On while the US flies with it's Radar off. How Monobreath of you.
So you say, but you've shown over and over here that you really don't understand a lot of this (sometimes hilariouslso you desperately googling until you find something you like then declaring the amateur blogger an expert who is smarter than everyone doesn't really lend much weight.His information is sound. The only way you can dispute it is to try and discredit the author. That tells me that you are quite busy digging that hole.
So you say, but you've shown over and over here that you really don't understand a lot of this (sometimes hilariouslso you desperately googling until you find something you like then declaring the amateur blogger an expert who is smarter than everyone doesn't really lend much weight.His information is sound. The only way you can dispute it is to try and discredit the author. That tells me that you are quite busy digging that hole.
You think his information is sound, but how do you know? Do you know anything about him his experience his credentials? Was he a fighter pilot?
You don't know, anymore than you know anything about the IR systems you were busted pretending to know a lot about. It's funny you keep referencing Manonthestreet but you're doing the exact same thing he does, googling for blogs that suit his worldview then posting it as fact without being able to back up or explain your position. In your case it's more often just lying about what I said then attacking that instead, which is itself a good indicator of where you stand here.
Exactly. You have no idea what his qualifications are but after some desperate googling you present this amateur blogger as some expert.How do I know?
Exactly. You have no idea what his qualifications are but after some desperate googling you present this amateur blogger as some expert.How do I know?
I can find a different blogger with a different opinion to say anything I want, but I don't need to because I've been able to systematically and methodically pick apart every attempt you've made to support your argument that barrage jamming will force a WVR fight. You failed to explain how it could be done, you repeatedly demonstrated you didn't understand basic technical aspects of what's in play, you were caught manufacturing information multiple times, you leaned on appeal to authority and strawman fallacies more times than I can count, and now you've become a Google warrior searching for blog posts that suit your argument.
Do you realize David Axe from War is Boring is the exact idiot who wrote that article a few years back concluding claiming the F-35 can't even beat the F-16 it is replacing. His conclusion was "within a few decades, American and allied aviators will fly into battle in an inferior fighter — one that could get them killed … and cost the United States control of the air." Of course his article was soundly debunked since it was an early model F-35 that was testing software limitations on control surfaces, various actual pilots weighed in that F-35 was far better than Axe thought, and it went on to post devastating kill ratios in exercises against F-15s and F-16s.
That is who you've hitched your wagon to. Congrats.
Hah my how seamlessly you slid from the "I know more because I know more, go eat chop suey" bully mode into melodramatic victim.I see your standard. As long as I 100% agree with you I am your hero and an expert. But let me disagree with you and I become a crank that knows nothing.
Hah my how seamlessly you slid from the "I know more because I know more, go eat chop suey" bully mode into melodramatic victim.I see your standard. As long as I 100% agree with you I am your hero and an expert. But let me disagree with you and I become a crank that knows nothing.
My standard is simple, present your case with facts and back it up by responding to the argument being made by others. I have no time for people making things up, appealing to authority in lieu of being able to state your case, and the repeated decrying straw man arguments that I never made.
... and we're done with the victim and back to Mr. Authority.You have already been dismissed. Do you know what that means Pseudo Airman? Many of the rest of know.
To take this a bit farther, here was their experience with them in contested airspace in Iraq:I bet a A10 can fly in at 50 foot hit the target and leave without getting hit.
To take this a bit farther, here was their experience with them in contested airspace in Iraq:I bet a A10 can fly in at 50 foot hit the target and leave without getting hit.
The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday. IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IALike I said by time those F-15 are delivered it will be yrs down the road...….virtual cancellation without saying cancelledCome on dude, nobody needs to make any effort to look smart when responding to "All combat loaded aircraft fly at their listed max speed" guy who brags he posts the most links.You keep saying things I didnt say to try to make yourself look smart
Okay let's look at your conclusion that their combat experience with F-35 was the reason they are buying more F-15s.......nobody wants to address fact they aren't ordering the last batch as planned.....First nation to use it in "combat" or operationally and this would seem to point to them being underwhelmed with it.
From May 17: Israel to link fleet upgrade with follow-on F-15I buy
Israel has proposed a deal to purchase additional Boeing F-15s, in a package that would also include upgrading the Israeli air force's existing I-model examples of the strike aircraft. Worth almost $4 billion, the potential purchase would include 25 twin-engined F-15Is in an advanced configuration. The new version's airframe would have an extended lifespan and enhanced features including a large-area cockpit display. The purchase of additional F-15s has recently gained priority for the Israeli air force's high command over ordering aircraft for a third squadron of Lockheed Martin F-35Is. The rationale for this decision is that while the F-35's stealth features are essential at the start of a conflict, the type will need be flown during later combat sorties in conjunction with assets capable of carrying a heavier weapons load.
They are going with a F-35/F-15 mix because they need a platform that can haul 5,000lb class weapons really far, hello Iran. If this news was coming out in May 17 they were making the analysis and proposal for F-15s well before F-35 was used in combat, so you have a serious logic fail.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/why-israelis-want-larger-more-modern-f-15-fleet
The decision to embark on this upgrade program was made two years ago, in spite of the nation’s planned purchase of the Lockheed Martin F-35. An Israeli source says the air force is looking as far ahead as 40 years. “The F-15 has a lot of advantages. It can be equipped with Israeli-developed systems, an upgrade that can be performed on the F-35 to a clear limit,” says the source. Israel regards its F-15 fleet to be the backbone of its attacking capability. As such, it is considering the purchase of additional F-15s....
...The clear tendency in the Israeli Air Force is to first purchase additional new F-15s and only then consider whether to fulfill the original plan of 75 F-35s. In November 2016, the Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of another 17 Lockheed Martin F-35s, for a total 50 of the stealth fighters. Israeli sources say talks continue with the U.S. Defense Department about the potential purchase of 20-25 advanced F-15s..
Yet another logic fail, an F-35A costs significantly less than a brand new F-15I.Too expesive to risk in ground support where stealth matters not.
The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday. IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IALike I said by time those F-15 are delivered it will be yrs down the road...….virtual cancellation without saying cancelledCome on dude, nobody needs to make any effort to look smart when responding to "All combat loaded aircraft fly at their listed max speed" guy who brags he posts the most links.You keep saying things I didnt say to try to make yourself look smart
Okay let's look at your conclusion that their combat experience with F-35 was the reason they are buying more F-15s.......nobody wants to address fact they aren't ordering the last batch as planned.....First nation to use it in "combat" or operationally and this would seem to point to them being underwhelmed with it.
From May 17: Israel to link fleet upgrade with follow-on F-15I buy
Israel has proposed a deal to purchase additional Boeing F-15s, in a package that would also include upgrading the Israeli air force's existing I-model examples of the strike aircraft. Worth almost $4 billion, the potential purchase would include 25 twin-engined F-15Is in an advanced configuration. The new version's airframe would have an extended lifespan and enhanced features including a large-area cockpit display. The purchase of additional F-15s has recently gained priority for the Israeli air force's high command over ordering aircraft for a third squadron of Lockheed Martin F-35Is. The rationale for this decision is that while the F-35's stealth features are essential at the start of a conflict, the type will need be flown during later combat sorties in conjunction with assets capable of carrying a heavier weapons load.
They are going with a F-35/F-15 mix because they need a platform that can haul 5,000lb class weapons really far, hello Iran. If this news was coming out in May 17 they were making the analysis and proposal for F-15s well before F-35 was used in combat, so you have a serious logic fail.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/why-israelis-want-larger-more-modern-f-15-fleet
The decision to embark on this upgrade program was made two years ago, in spite of the nation’s planned purchase of the Lockheed Martin F-35. An Israeli source says the air force is looking as far ahead as 40 years. “The F-15 has a lot of advantages. It can be equipped with Israeli-developed systems, an upgrade that can be performed on the F-35 to a clear limit,” says the source. Israel regards its F-15 fleet to be the backbone of its attacking capability. As such, it is considering the purchase of additional F-15s....
...The clear tendency in the Israeli Air Force is to first purchase additional new F-15s and only then consider whether to fulfill the original plan of 75 F-35s. In November 2016, the Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of another 17 Lockheed Martin F-35s, for a total 50 of the stealth fighters. Israeli sources say talks continue with the U.S. Defense Department about the potential purchase of 20-25 advanced F-15s..
Yet another logic fail, an F-35A costs significantly less than a brand new F-15I.Too expesive to risk in ground support where stealth matters not.
Unfortunately they were railroaded into buying 1 more worthless F-35 sqdn to get the F-15's
The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday.The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday. IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IALike I said by time those F-15 are delivered it will be yrs down the road...….virtual cancellation without saying cancelledCome on dude, nobody needs to make any effort to look smart when responding to "All combat loaded aircraft fly at their listed max speed" guy who brags he posts the most links.You keep saying things I didnt say to try to make yourself look smart
Okay let's look at your conclusion that their combat experience with F-35 was the reason they are buying more F-15s.......nobody wants to address fact they aren't ordering the last batch as planned.....First nation to use it in "combat" or operationally and this would seem to point to them being underwhelmed with it.
From May 17: Israel to link fleet upgrade with follow-on F-15I buy
Israel has proposed a deal to purchase additional Boeing F-15s, in a package that would also include upgrading the Israeli air force's existing I-model examples of the strike aircraft. Worth almost $4 billion, the potential purchase would include 25 twin-engined F-15Is in an advanced configuration. The new version's airframe would have an extended lifespan and enhanced features including a large-area cockpit display. The purchase of additional F-15s has recently gained priority for the Israeli air force's high command over ordering aircraft for a third squadron of Lockheed Martin F-35Is. The rationale for this decision is that while the F-35's stealth features are essential at the start of a conflict, the type will need be flown during later combat sorties in conjunction with assets capable of carrying a heavier weapons load.
They are going with a F-35/F-15 mix because they need a platform that can haul 5,000lb class weapons really far, hello Iran. If this news was coming out in May 17 they were making the analysis and proposal for F-15s well before F-35 was used in combat, so you have a serious logic fail.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/why-israelis-want-larger-more-modern-f-15-fleet
The decision to embark on this upgrade program was made two years ago, in spite of the nation’s planned purchase of the Lockheed Martin F-35. An Israeli source says the air force is looking as far ahead as 40 years. “The F-15 has a lot of advantages. It can be equipped with Israeli-developed systems, an upgrade that can be performed on the F-35 to a clear limit,” says the source. Israel regards its F-15 fleet to be the backbone of its attacking capability. As such, it is considering the purchase of additional F-15s....
...The clear tendency in the Israeli Air Force is to first purchase additional new F-15s and only then consider whether to fulfill the original plan of 75 F-35s. In November 2016, the Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of another 17 Lockheed Martin F-35s, for a total 50 of the stealth fighters. Israeli sources say talks continue with the U.S. Defense Department about the potential purchase of 20-25 advanced F-15s..
Yet another logic fail, an F-35A costs significantly less than a brand new F-15I.Too expesive to risk in ground support where stealth matters not.
Unfortunately they were railroaded into buying 1 more worthless F-35 sqdn to get the F-15's
Your own cite shows that they not are buying any new F-15s. The are upgrading what they have. Funny, but they are upgrading really old F-15As but with low flight hours. They are upgrading them to the either the new E or the new X models. That makes them extremely dangerous and capable of taking on anything the Russians or the Chinese have. And they are buying more F-35As. This makes them able to take on Iran in a cakewalk.
The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday.The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday. IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IALike I said by time those F-15 are delivered it will be yrs down the road...….virtual cancellation without saying cancelledCome on dude, nobody needs to make any effort to look smart when responding to "All combat loaded aircraft fly at their listed max speed" guy who brags he posts the most links.You keep saying things I didnt say to try to make yourself look smart
Okay let's look at your conclusion that their combat experience with F-35 was the reason they are buying more F-15s.......nobody wants to address fact they aren't ordering the last batch as planned.....First nation to use it in "combat" or operationally and this would seem to point to them being underwhelmed with it.
From May 17: Israel to link fleet upgrade with follow-on F-15I buy
Israel has proposed a deal to purchase additional Boeing F-15s, in a package that would also include upgrading the Israeli air force's existing I-model examples of the strike aircraft. Worth almost $4 billion, the potential purchase would include 25 twin-engined F-15Is in an advanced configuration. The new version's airframe would have an extended lifespan and enhanced features including a large-area cockpit display. The purchase of additional F-15s has recently gained priority for the Israeli air force's high command over ordering aircraft for a third squadron of Lockheed Martin F-35Is. The rationale for this decision is that while the F-35's stealth features are essential at the start of a conflict, the type will need be flown during later combat sorties in conjunction with assets capable of carrying a heavier weapons load.
They are going with a F-35/F-15 mix because they need a platform that can haul 5,000lb class weapons really far, hello Iran. If this news was coming out in May 17 they were making the analysis and proposal for F-15s well before F-35 was used in combat, so you have a serious logic fail.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/why-israelis-want-larger-more-modern-f-15-fleet
The decision to embark on this upgrade program was made two years ago, in spite of the nation’s planned purchase of the Lockheed Martin F-35. An Israeli source says the air force is looking as far ahead as 40 years. “The F-15 has a lot of advantages. It can be equipped with Israeli-developed systems, an upgrade that can be performed on the F-35 to a clear limit,” says the source. Israel regards its F-15 fleet to be the backbone of its attacking capability. As such, it is considering the purchase of additional F-15s....
...The clear tendency in the Israeli Air Force is to first purchase additional new F-15s and only then consider whether to fulfill the original plan of 75 F-35s. In November 2016, the Israeli cabinet approved the purchase of another 17 Lockheed Martin F-35s, for a total 50 of the stealth fighters. Israeli sources say talks continue with the U.S. Defense Department about the potential purchase of 20-25 advanced F-15s..
Yet another logic fail, an F-35A costs significantly less than a brand new F-15I.Too expesive to risk in ground support where stealth matters not.
Unfortunately they were railroaded into buying 1 more worthless F-35 sqdn to get the F-15's
Your own cite shows that they not are buying any new F-15s. The are upgrading what they have. Funny, but they are upgrading really old F-15As but with low flight hours. They are upgrading them to the either the new E or the new X models. That makes them extremely dangerous and capable of taking on anything the Russians or the Chinese have. And they are buying more F-35As. This makes them able to take on Iran in a cakewalk.
OMG quit being so stupid.....see you've been making some of my arguments...ooops getting old cant remember what ya posted
Hah that's a cute way to twist facts. If they buy F-15s, it's what they wanted. If they buy F-35s, they were railroaded. Here's what the link you have says:The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday. IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IA
Unfortunately they were railroaded into buying 1 more worthless F-35 sqdn to get the F-15's
He's anti-35 because he spent so much time ranting in here about how much of a failure it would be before it started flying and proved him wrong. His pride won't let him admit he was wrong so he just keeps plugging away even though most of the plane's detractors including many he quoted from years ago in this thread have changed their tune about F-35.I have no idea why you are down on the F-35 so bad. It's passed every test it's ever been given hands down.
Hah that's a cute way to twist facts. If they buy F-15s, it's what they wanted. If they buy F-35s, they were railroaded. Here's what the link you have says:The new F-15 IA was chosen by the IDF and Israel Air Force (IAF) as the new fighter jet to be acquired over the next decade, according to an official announcement Saturday. IAF to supplement F-35 stealth jets with upgraded F-15 IA
Unfortunately they were railroaded into buying 1 more worthless F-35 sqdn to get the F-15's
"In addition to continuing purchasing F-35 multirole stealth fighters, IAF decides to upgrade its dependable F-15 fleet with improved model capable of carrying 13 tons of explosives with advanced avionics"
"Once the third squadron is complete, approximately in 10 years time, the IAF will have at least 75 F-35 stealth aircraft at its disposal."
So it says they will continue procuring F-35s and will have 75 within 10 years. Does 75 aircraft indicate they chose something else instead? Nope. Here is an article about Israel F-35 procurement from 2012, at Exclusive: U.S., Lockheed reach deal on Israeli F-35s | Reuters
"The deal, to be finalized in coming weeks, marks a big step forward for Israel’s $2.75 billion agreement to buy 19 F-35 jets, which was signed in October 2010 and includes options for up to 75 of the radar-evading fighters."
Here is from 2016, at Liberman unveils Israel’s future stealth fighter: The F-35
"Israel has purchased 33 of these fighter jets so far, but the Israeli Air Force has expressed interest in more than twice that. IDF Chief of Staff Gadi Eisenkot has already approved the purchase of 17 more planes for a total of 50, but Kelman and the IAF want to bring that number up to 75 in the years to come."
So you're posting something that says they will continue buying F-35s until they have 75, which is what the original number mentioned in 2012 (when they first finalized their purchase plants) and 2016 when they received their first fighter. What kind of moron looks at an article saying they are buying F-15s in addition to the 75 F-35s, and concudes 75 is less than the orignal 75?
F-15I offers capabilities they need because of a distinct mission requirement that they can carry a very heavy payload to Iran. Your logic is like thinking because USAF bought F-111s they have decided they don't like their F-4s.
