Fact is fact, Tea Partiers are extremists

[AllieBaba]

I probably post more substance, links and quotes than anyone on this site. You need to brush up on those reading skills.

 

[Cuyo]

I probably post more substance, links and quotes than anyone on this site. You need to brush up on those reading skills.

Again, you've completely ignored the query in favor of insulting me.

 

[AllieBaba]

No, you retard, I responded to your insult. Which was, incidentally, a lie as well.

As I said, brush up on those reading skills.

 

[Cuyo]

No, you retard, I responded to your insult.

As I said, brush up on those reading skills.

More insults.

AllieBaba, what should we do about healthcare?

 

[The T]

And here is yet another example of what i keep saying about propaganda:

THERE ARE NO LEADERS TO IT.

Anyone that claims that is lying.

Yeah right, a Tea Partier thinking that John McCain isn't conservative enough is another isolated incident. lolol

You are a good example of not getting it.

The movement isn't 'conservatives' either, its about people who want a responsible government that lives within its means.

It's about Liberty sans the Politic. And it has spread throughout the nation and crossed supposed 'lines'. It's people defending their Liberty against Tyranny.

 

[Xenophon]

No, you retard, I responded to your insult.

As I said, brush up on those reading skills.

More insults.

AllieBaba, what should we do about healthcare?

I can answer, repeal he nonsense just passed, and start over but do it correctly.

That means NO special deals for anybody, Unions, states, nobody.

It also means you can't add anything that will crush the economy the way the current bill has already started to do.

 

[The T]

No, you retard, I responded to your insult.

As I said, brush up on those reading skills.

More insults.

AllieBaba, what should we do about healthcare?

Start over and get the Government's NOSE out of it. The Government is a very large DENIER of Healthcare before this monstrosity of LAW. And look for it to get worse.

 

[Liability]

No, you retard, I responded to your insult.

As I said, brush up on those reading skills.

More insults.

AllieBaba, what should we do about healthcare?

That "question" presupposes a great deal.

Let's unpack it a bit BEFORE we attempt to "answer" it.

In your vaunted estimation, what exactly is wrong with the way health care is delivered in the United States?

Since you and many of your political ilk seem to thrive in the realm of deflection, let's just head that shit off at the proverbial pass.

There may very well be some things "wrong" with the way America delivers health care. Asking the question is not a denial. It remains JUST a question. So, when attempting to answer, don't bother with the lectures or the snide commentary. It impresses exactly nobody.

No alleged "problem" can be addressed, fixed or ameliorated until and unless the nature of the alleged "problem" has been properly and rationally identified.

So, let's start with first things. In your estimation, and as succinctly as you can (maybe by way of a list?), identify the things YOU claim are wrong with the way(s) in which America delivers health care.

Word of warning. The "answer(s)" may not come quickly on the heels of that effort to identify the problem(s). Instead, we might have to address basic presuppositions packed within that identified alleged problem or litany of alleged problems BEFORE we can turn to other matters.

 

[Murf76]

No stupid, 95% of black voting for Obama is more reflective of the fact that blacks traditionally vote democratic, not because of race. Your argument is dumb anyways because Tea Partiers didn't vote for Obama.

88% as of 2004, which is still weird considering it was Republicans who fought for emancipation and Civil Rights.
Maybe it has something to do with all the vote-buying, ya think?

Them kinda Republicans don't exist anymore. You should know better.

Bullshit. You know what's NOT racist?... believing that a person is as God made them and that God doesn't make any junk. People are NOT handicapped because they're black. There's nothing wrong with them that needs fixed because they're black. But after 40 years of Democrats trying to fix something that ain't broken, we've got whole segments of our society that somehow feel victimized by their blackness as exemplified by Jeremiah Wright's Church of Perpetual Grievance.

Democrats have been fanning the flames of this "grievance" mentality for decades. And they do that in order to create a bloc of votes. They throw out some breadcrumbs, create dependents, and promise more if they're elected to office. It's plantation politics, where they plant the seeds of discontent based on race and then come back every two years to harvest the vote. They foment the notion that we're somehow not all equal under the law with a perpetual Civil Rights campaign that has clearly outlived it's usefulness having been successful DECADES ago.

The purpose of unifying black voters back in the 60's has been achieved, and now the "unity" is purposeless. It only serves to divide by keeping these folks from homogenizing with the larger society. It causes an unacceptable amount of self-segregation by feeding a baseless fear of "whitey".
Witness that Barack Obama received something like 90% of the black vote in the primary against Hillary... even though their platforms were virtually identical (with the exception that Barack was against the individual mandate before he was for it. ). There's a trust-deficit based on skin color even within the Democrat party that has been FED.

I guess you think it's okay that the leading cause of death in black men aged 15-25 is gunshot wounds. Because if that wasn't okay with you, maybe you'd wonder why that is. It's either one of two things, either they're defective people or all the nanny-state hand-outs are weakening their resolve and their families. It's not like Democrats haven't been throwing money at "redistribution" for decades now. And it's not Republicans who believe people need to be taken care of like children based on their skin tone. IOW, it's not Republicans who believe that being black is some kind of "defect".

You fuckers have done your best to paint a simple political philosophy with a racist stereotype... but you've overplayed your hand and now we're so used to your meaningless finger-pointing and accusations of racism that we're immune to your disease.

Republicans don't believe in crippling an entire group of people because of their skin tone. We believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free-market solutions. And we don't handicap people based on appearances. We don't believe in Social Justice, because we see through to the inherent divisiveness of it. And we're completely free to criticize Barack Obama or Michael Steele... because we DON'T CARE about race. We figure that if you fuck up, it doesn't matter if you're black, white, or green.

So... stuff it up your ass. Play your "Race Card". It only points out the fact that you think there's something wrong with being black, something that requires "equalizing".

 

[AllieBaba]

I don't think it's the government's job to provide any sort of health care.

I think we should open up our medical schools and give first consideration to AMERICAN students who want to become doctors.

And that's about all I think should be done. The "health care crisis" is a fucking invention of the left. More people have health care now than they have in the entire history of the nation.

 

[The T]

I don't think it's the government's job to provide any sort of health care.

I think we should open up our medical schools and give first consideration to AMERICAN students who want to become doctors.

And that's about all I think should be done. The "health care crisis" is a fucking invention of the left. More people have health care now than they have in the entire history of the nation.

Healthcare is NOT a right as it has been framed by the Statists. It's a responsibility of the individual to apportion their funds to make it so with the RIGHT to have the Government not interfere in securing a plan that is right for the individual.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

He most certainly is not.

The truth could bite you in the ass and you wouldn't recognize it. The man is a blue blooded Marxist. He hung out with Marxist groups in college. He was endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America when he ran for State Senate. Everyone knows about his wacko Marxist church he went too and his relationship with Bill Ayers. He appointed Van Jones, an avowed Communist, and Anita Dunn who idolized Mao Tse-Tung to positions in his administration. He was the one that said he wanted to spread the wealth around. Don't give me this crap he isn't a Socialist you peckerhead.

Republicans are more socialist in their endeavors to keep the distribution of wealth among the rich.

If you're referring to TARP and the Wall Street bailout and other forms of corporate welfare, then yes, you're correct. Obama has supported all of this shit as well. That's why I'm not a member of either party.

You're incredibly deluded.

Go ahead and keep sticking your head in the sand ya wuss. Ignorance is bliss after all.

 

[Murf76]

....Or do you believe the current system was not headed for disaster?

Then why would you support a plan that exacerbates the problem, that speeds us toward the cliff?
That doesn't make sense.

Here's a really good analysis that explains how Obamacare can't help but end in disaster, how its very design puts us on a path to the "bridge to nowhere", to a socialist solution that has been firmly rejected by the American people and does not exist.

REPEAL

 

[NYcarbineer]

And here is yet another example of what i keep saying about propaganda:

THERE ARE NO LEADERS TO IT.

Anyone that claims that is lying.

Yeah right, a Tea Partier thinking that John McCain isn't conservative enough is another isolated incident. lolol

You are a good example of not getting it.

The movement isn't 'conservatives' either, its about people who want a responsible government that lives within its means.

Until you ask them to put defense on the table...

 

[The T]

....Or do you believe the current system was not headed for disaster?

Then why would you support a plan that exacerbates the problem, that speeds us toward the cliff?
That doesn't make sense.

Here's a really good analysis that explains how Obamacare can't help but end in disaster, how its very design puts us on a path to the "bridge to nowhere", to a socialist solution that has been firmly rejected by the American people and does not exist.

REPEAL

And of course Obama and his merry band of Statists mean to march us on the path of an already failed EU. Just look at Greece as an example?

 

[The T]

Yeah right, a Tea Partier thinking that John McCain isn't conservative enough is another isolated incident. lolol

You are a good example of not getting it.

The movement isn't 'conservatives' either, its about people who want a responsible government that lives within its means.

Until you ask them to put defense on the table...

What 'Defense'? You mean DOD? That is one of the few things Government is mandated to do. Can't help it if you loathe the Military.

 

[boedicca]

....Or do you believe the current system was not headed for disaster?

Then why would you support a plan that exacerbates the problem, that speeds us toward the cliff?
That doesn't make sense.

Here's a really good analysis that explains how Obamacare can't help but end in disaster, how its very design puts us on a path to the "bridge to nowhere", to a socialist solution that has been firmly rejected by the American people and does not exist.

REPEAL

Why? - because the Left wants the private sector to fail. This plan is Phase One to soften the country up for Socialized Medicine. The mandates, regulations, taxes, and fines on the private sector and individuals are intended to make private care so burdensome that it will collapse under the weight.

 

[The T]

....Or do you believe the current system was not headed for disaster?

Then why would you support a plan that exacerbates the problem, that speeds us toward the cliff?
That doesn't make sense.

Here's a really good analysis that explains how Obamacare can't help but end in disaster, how its very design puts us on a path to the "bridge to nowhere", to a socialist solution that has been firmly rejected by the American people and does not exist.

REPEAL

Why? - because the Left wants the private sector to fail. This plan is Phase One to soften the country up for Socialized Medicine. The mandates, regulations, taxes, and fines on the private sector and individuals are intended to make private care so burdensome that it will collapse under the weight.

Indeed. Get people "used to the Idea" of poor unemployment oppritunities, demonize those 'rich' that invest to make this economy work. Obama was clear years ago when he was a State Senator about the 'Injustices" of our system. He embraced Marxism, and has surrounded himself with fellow travellers to make it so.

 

[tigerbob]

No stupid, 95% of black voting for Obama is more reflective of the fact that blacks traditionally vote democratic, not because of race. Your argument is dumb anyways because Tea Partiers didn't vote for Obama.

88% as of 2004, which is still weird considering it was Republicans who fought for emancipation and Civil Rights.
Maybe it has something to do with all the vote-buying, ya think?

Most black voters of today didn't live through emancipation and civil rights. And, quite rightly, they do not cast their votes based on what a party did decades ago, but on what is being done now.

 

[The T]

No stupid, 95% of black voting for Obama is more reflective of the fact that blacks traditionally vote democratic, not because of race. Your argument is dumb anyways because Tea Partiers didn't vote for Obama.

88% as of 2004, which is still weird considering it was Republicans who fought for emancipation and Civil Rights.
Maybe it has something to do with all the vote-buying, ya think?

Most black voters of today didn't live through emancipation and civil rights. And, quite rightly, they do not cast their votes based on what a party did decades ago, but on what is being done now.

In other words? They're comfy with the "Second Slavery" heretofore with a Party that has taken them down again, and don't give a rat's ASS about them, but only their votes.

YOU may quote me.