FDR’s Subservience To Stalin Cost Thousand Of American Soldier’s Lives

[Ringo]

Patton was right when he said we should have taken out Moscow and Stalingrad after Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nukes.

I've even heard from scoundrels like you that the United States fought on the wrong side. "Scratch a capitalist and you'll see a Nazi."

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've even heard from scoundrels like you that the United States fought on the wrong side. "Scratch a capitalist and you'll see a Nazi."

Nazis were socialists, not capitalists, dope.


Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman




"Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian | George Reisman


".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the National Socialist German Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands.


What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis …The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners."




Sieg Heil, Democrats




We're a regular Punch and Judy Show, you and I .

Post more and I'll slap you around more.....isn't this fun?????

 

[Ringo]

Post more and I'll slap you around more.....isn't this fun?????

The fun will start when you finally came out from your nazi closet and you will start quoting from Dr. Goebbels, and not from his imitators.

 

[AMart]

I've even heard from scoundrels like you that the United States fought on the wrong side. "Scratch a capitalist and you'll see a Nazi."

The US should have not entered the European war. Arming our global enemy, the Soviet Union, was insane.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The fun will start when you finally came out from your nazi closet and you will start quoting from Dr. Goebbels, and not from his imitators.

Every one of my posts is linked, sourced, and documented, while you are simply our best source of greenhouse gases.


I notice you aren't using the term "uneducated" since I challenged you to compare educational CVs.
Wise move.


You should stop posting and stick to your career….demonstrating perfume at Macy’s.

 

[Ringo]

The US should have not entered the European war. Arming our global enemy, the Soviet Union, was insane.

I understand that Hitler is your friend and the like-minded person and thoseБ who fought against him are "enemies of democracy" ... so I will not argue with you. I'm not a psychiatrist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The US should have not entered the European war. Arming our global enemy, the Soviet Union, was insane.

I'm not sure we shouldn't have entered the war, what with Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war on us.....but I agree with Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"

 

[PoliticalChic]

I understand that Hitler is your friend and the like-minded person and thoseБ who fought against him are "enemies of democracy" ... so I will not argue with you. I'm not a psychiatrist.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

You don't give Truman enough credit: he saved America:

It is actually possible to see into Truman's psyche, and note the evolution, based on events as President.​

One can witness his divorcing himself from the sort of bowing to Stalin that we saw in Franklin Roosevelt.​

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Having served under the Rooseveltian 'Stalin appeasement policies' for so long, Truman had to learn to reverse course... Even so, baby steps can be observed.​

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On May 23, 1945 (he became President on April 12, 1945), Truman sent Harry Hopkins, Averill Harriman, and Charles Bolen to see Stalin to smooth out some problems developing with Stalin...e.g., Army intelligence was finding out the truth about Stalin's massacres in the Katyn Forest.​

One can imagine that, unlike his predecessor, cold blooded slaughter didn't sit well with this American.​

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At the same time, Truman sent the dunce, Joseph Davies, to Churchill to tell him that he, Truman, would continue to appease Stalin for the time being.​

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But Truman was beginning to show the good judgment he became known for...and thus, the incipient Cold War was beginning.​

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a. Education continued for Truman:​

June 4, 1945, in a 15-minute meeting with General Carter W. Clarke, and Colonel Ernest Gibson, of Army intelligence, Truman was informed about army codebreakers working on secret cables sent from Moscow to Washington- the Venona decrypts.​

"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," p. 111, Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter​

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And so, with respect to our vice-presidents, we see the hand of Providence. Truman became vice-president on January 20, 1945....and Roosevelt died on April 12,1945.​

Had FDR died just a few months earlier, the United States would have assumed the role of vassal to the USSR.​

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In 1948, at the apex of Moscow-directed subversion of US politics, FDR’s VP Henry Wallace, former Sec’y of Agriculture, went on to form the Communist-dominated and Soviet-backed “Progressive Party.”​

Of course, Wallace’s “Progressives” allowed not even the most peripheral criticism of Soviet aggression.​

(John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,” The National Interest, Fall, 2000)​

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The progressives received one million votes. The Communist Party USA did not field a presidential candidate, and instead endorsed Wallace for President on the Progressive ticket.(Progressive Party United States 1948 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia​

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b. "In 1944, the Democrats bypassed Wallace to select Harry S. Truman as their vice-presidential nominee. Wallace was named Secretary of Commerce, where he feuded bitterly with Truman — who had by then ascended to the Oval Office — over the nation's confrontational posturing with the Soviet Union, which the agricultural expert deemed dangerously hawkish.​

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The clash earned Wallace a reputation among his detractors as a "Stalinist stooge." Alienated but undeterred, he mounted a run for the presidency in 1947.​

One writer later termed his candidacy "the closest the Soviet Union ever came to actually choosing a president of the United States."​

Henry Wallace - America s Worst Vice Presidents - TIME​

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Harry S. Truman....all things considered....a blessing for America.​

Roosevelt didn't bow to Stalin.

Give me an example where Roosevelt bowed to Stalin.

You're getting your information from fake history written by non-historians.

 

[AMart]

I understand that Hitler is your friend and the like-minded person and thoseБ who fought against him are "enemies of democracy" ... so I will not argue with you. I'm not a psychiatrist.

And Stalin in your friend.

 

[AMart]

I'm not sure we shouldn't have entered the war, what with Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war on us.....but I agree with Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"

Pearl Harbor is a different animal. Japan did that. Iran declared war on the USA in 1979, and we have not invaded their country.

 

[Oddball]

Patton was right when he said we should have taken out Moscow and Stalingrad after Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nukes.

Murica only had the two bombs dropped on Japan on hand.

Could have easily commandeered German tanks and other hardware to turn on the Soviets and run them back to Moscow....Would have also been plausible to marshal several divisions of regular Wehrmacht troops and sane Generals (i.e Gyer von Schweppenburg/Heinrici) to command them.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Roosevelt didn't bow to Stalin.

Give me an example where Roosevelt bowed to Stalin.

You're getting your information from fake history written by non-historians.

"Roosevelt didn't bow to Stalin."

Let me save you some time: you've already self-identified as a moron.

Not necessary to keep doing so.

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I love a battle!
Coming up, a question of the facts about President Roosevelt's foreign policy.

Me, the facts, and my opponent, History Butt, a Roosevelt apologist who can never see a problem with his idol.

Now for your history lesson:




1. PC: Was Roosevelt mentally unstable, and unable to objectively view the world scene?
Why did Four Presidents and their six Secretaries of State for over a decade and a half refuse to recognize the Soviet government?

OK, I admit that the phrasing was...incendiary, but it gets to this point: there were so very many reasons not to recognize the USSR....one wonders if a rational person would have...

a. Previous occupants of the office refused to. Almost as soon as he was President, FDR recognized the Soviet Union.... He assumed office in March of 1933, and on November 16th, 1933, signed a worthless agreement with Litvinov, recognizing the USSR.



b. Did Roosevelt have any reason to believe that Stalin would live up to his word?
Roosevelt signed the recognition agreement: Litvinov "returned to the Soviet embassy.....all smiles....and said 'Well, it's all in the bag; we have it.'" On September 23, 1939, Dr. D. H. Dombrowsky testified before the Dies committee. The Winona Republican-Herald on Newspapers.com

And Dombrowsky testified that Litvinov boasted that he pulled the wool over FDR's eyes:

"Well, it's all in the bag. They wanted us to recognize the debts we owed them and I promised we were going to negotiate. But they did not know we were going to negotiate until doomsday. The next one was a corker; they wanted us to promise freedom of religion in the Soviet Union, and I promised that, too. I was very much prompted to offer that I would personally collect all the Bibles and ship them over."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p.33.




Why, ever, sign treaties with the communists? Why?

c. In 1982, Ronald Reagan asked his arms control advisory committee to conduct a review of Soviet compliance in the 25 years of arms control treaties. It was the first such concerted review ever. The answer to the question of Soviet arms controls compliance was that there was none.
West, "American Betrayal," p. 198.

"The Soviet Union repeatedly violates treaties, and the rest of the world turns their heads and proceeds to enter into still more treaties, which the Soviets violate with impunity." Joseph D. Douglass, Jr., "Why the Soviets Violate Arms Control Treaties," vii, 83.



d. The agreement that Litvinov signed promised " To respect scrupulously the indisputable right of the United States to order its own life within its own jurisdiction in its own way and to refrain from interfering in any manner in the internal affairs of the United States, its territories or possessions.... in particular, from any act tending to incite or encourage armed intervention, or any agitation or propaganda having as an aim, the violation of the territorial integrity of the United States, its territories or possessions, or the bringing about by force of a change in the political or social order of the whole or any part of the United States, its territories or possessions....

Not to permit the formation or residence on its territory of any organization or group--and to prevent the activity on its territory of any organization or group, or of representatives or officials of any organization or group--which makes claim to be the Government of,...

...prevent the activity on its territory of any organization or group, or of representatives or officials of any organization or group--which has as an aim the overthrow or the preparation for the overthrow of, or the bringing about by force of a change in, the political or social order of the whole or any part of the United States,...etc." Roosevelt-Litvinov





Get it? They promised no espionage, no Communist Part of the United States of America (CPUSA)....



e. "FDR had knowledge of two glaring examples of communist conspiracy specifically directed against the United States." Hoover, in his "Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath," by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011.

Yeah....FDR knew.

Were FDR's action vis-a-vis the USSR those of a rational man? Or, if they appear irrational, is there an explanation for them?


FDR hated capitalism, and most especially successful capitalists, which might be one reason he bowed to Stalin. And he wanted to swim with the sharks....Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini.


He's the reason the Democrat Party lists to the Left.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Pearl Harbor is a different animal. Japan did that. Iran declared war on the USA in 1979, and we have not invaded their country.

Carter installed the Ayatollah.
The Democrats were already in the totalitarian camp post Viet Nam.
Anything, any nation, that was anti-America was a friend to the Democrats.
Or.....is there any reason you can think of to guarantee nuclear weapons to the world's worst state sponsor of terrorism?


How could America have avoided entering the war: we were attacked, and Germany was Japan's ally.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Roosevelt didn't bow to Stalin.

Give me an example where Roosevelt bowed to Stalin.

You're getting your information from fake history written by non-historians.

"Give me an example where Roosevelt bowed to Stalin."

1. Lend lease
2. Demanding unconditional surrender rather than surrender.
3. Attack on Normandy rather than through Italy, so as to leave half of Europe to the Red Army.

Wise up, you dunce.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

1. PC: Was Roosevelt mentally unstable,

No.

b. Did Roosevelt have any reason to believe that Stalin would live up to his word?

No, and he didn't.

Why, ever, sign treaties with the communists? Why?

The Soviets won WWII.

Better having Soviets die than Americans.

Get it? They promised no espionage, no Communist Part of the United States of America (CPUSA)....

Everyone knew the Soviets were snakes.

Second World War and Its Aftermath," by George H. Nash, published posthumously, obviously, in 2011.

George H. Nash (born April 1, 1945) is an American historian and interpreter of American conservatism.


George H. Nash is partisan hack.

Now it become evident where you're getting your information from. Read more widely.

Yeah....FDR knew.

Were FDR's action vis-a-vis the USSR those of a rational man? Or, if they appear irrational, is there an explanation for them?

Yes. Keep in mind we wanted the Soviets to take all the casualties.

FDR hated capitalism, and most especially successful capitalists, which might be one reason he bowed to Stalin.

Not true. America was still plenty capitalist after the New Deal.

 

[marvin martian]

1.On this date the brains behind American rocket science died. He was a Nazi scientist, and worked for the United States so as not to be prosecuted.

Wernher von Braun
GERMAN-BORN AMERICAN ENGINEER
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March 23, 1912 - June 16, 1977
Wernher von Braun, German engineer who played a prominent role in all aspects of rocketry and space exploration, first in Germany and after World War II in the United States. Britannica.com

In other words, his was a conditional surrender.





2. American policy in WWII was ‘unconditional surrender’ of Nazi Germany, yet untold numbers of Nazis were allowed such ‘conditions’ because we needed them. The policy itself was foisted on Democrat Roosevelt because Stalin wanted Germany ‘pastoralized’ so an not to interfere with the Red Army occupation of Europe post war.
Stalin's policy was simple: the result of the war had to leave Germany a smoldering wreckage, with no ability to resist Stalin's forces. This was the basis of the Morgenthau Plan.

"Archival evidence indicates that the Soviet’s wanted the war to continue long enough for them to conquer Eastern Europe and in order for Germany to be utterly destroyed or “pastoralized” which was called for in the Morgenthau Plan which was actually written by Soviet spy Harry Dexter White. The Soviets were also clamoring for a “second front” in France in order to deflect the allies out of Italy and the Balkans which was too close to Russia."
Chuck Morse Speaks: The Canaris Cover-up





3. German High-Command tried to reach a surrender agreement as early as 1942.
What stood in the way? Roosevelt’s bowing to Stalin’s demands for nothing other than “Unconditional Surrender.”
Under Truman, we allowed tons of conditional surrenders by Nazis who would work for our government.



When did the war with Germany finally end?

"May 7, 1945: Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims"
Germany surrenders unconditionally to the Allies at Reims ? History.com This Day in History ? 5/7/1945

What prevented an earlier conclusion to the war?
"... fear of offending Russia..."

Fear of offending, it seems to me, suggests a relationship with one's superiors....
i.e., Roosevelt considered Stalin his superior.

FDR's man-crush on Stalin also plunged Eastern Europe into 50 years of communist oppression and killed tens of millions of people.

 

[marvin martian]

"Give me an example where Roosevelt bowed to Stalin."

1. Lend lease
2. Demanding unconditional surrender rather than surrender.
3. Attack on Normandy rather than through Italy, so as to leave half of Europe to the Red Army.

Wise up, you dunce.

And the biggest symbolic one, allowing Russia to capture Berlin and end the war in Europe.

 

[PoliticalChic]

No.



No, and he didn't.





The Soviets won WWII.

Better having Soviets die than Americans.




Everyone knew the Soviets were snakes.



George H. Nash (born April 1, 1945) is an American historian and interpreter of American conservatism.


George H. Nash is partisan hack.

Now it become evident where you're getting your information from. Read more widely.




Yes. Keep in mind we wanted the Soviets to take all the casualties.



Not true. America was still plenty capitalist after the New Deal.

Take the blinders off, dunce.

 

[Oddball]

Roosevelt didn't bow to Stalin.

Give me an example where Roosevelt bowed to Stalin.

You're getting your information from fake history written by non-historians.

Give me an example where Roosevelt bowed to Stalin.

Neptune/Overlord