FDR’s Subservience To Stalin Cost Thousand Of American Soldier’s Lives

[Otis Mayfield]

What's clear there is how little the communists value human life. Stalin used them to dampen artillery fire and charge machine guns.

T-34 was arguably the best overall tank of the war. And where it fell short, it made up for in numbers.

The Soviets valued life enough to give their soldiers good equipment.

 

[Ringo]

"In 1945 Zhukov is reported to have said to US General Dwight D. Eisenhower, "If we come to a minefield, our infantry attacks exactly as it were not there." The shear weight of numbers eventually drove the Germans back, along with the Soviet leadership's determination not to relent, whatever the cost." http://www.moreorless.net.au/heroes/zhukov.html

This is not for you, nazi moron, but for those with the brains.
Minefields are created in order to ether inflict losses on an enemy, who is not expecting them or to detain an enemy, who knows about mines in front of them. In this case, the enemy, who stopped in front of a minefield, is subjected to increased shelling by both artillery and machine-gun fire and aviation. Having no fortifications, the enemy suffers heavy losses and is forced to either retreat, or still having already suffered losses, go forward through a minefield.
To advance in some exceptional situations, (but of course, not always) through minefields, without paying attention to them, is a difficult but necessary choice. And Eisenhower, as a soldier and commander, understood this and would have given the same order in a similar situation.
The Nazi legends about "tired German machine gunners who mowed down thousands of red soldiers who were thoughtlessly sent to their deaths by their incompetent commanders" should be left in the dustbin of history, if you don't want to look like a fool.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is not for you, nazi moron, but for those with the brains.
Minefields are created in order to ether inflict losses on an enemy, who is not expecting them or to detain an enemy, who knows about mines in front of them. In this case, the enemy, who stopped in front of a minefield, is subjected to increased shelling by both artillery and machine-gun fire and aviation. Having no fortifications, the enemy suffers heavy losses and is forced to either retreat, or still having already suffered losses, go forward through a minefield.
To advance in some exceptional situations, (but of course, not always) through minefields, without paying attention to them, is a difficult but necessary choice. And Eisenhower, as a soldier and commander, understood this and would have given the same order in a similar situation.
The Nazi legends about "tired German machine gunners who mowed down thousands of red soldiers who were thoughtlessly sent to their deaths by their incompetent commanders" should be left in the dustbin of history, if you don't want to look like a fool.

Ready for another punch????


Here goes:


Russians would do anything not to return to Roosevelt's pal's 'paradise.'

The 850,000 strong army of Gen. Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov, having gone to the other side, Germany, "to save their country from Stalin" and having later surrendered to US forces, "formed the core of those forcibly repatriated between 1944 and 1947."

"Operation Keelhaul; The Story of Forced Repatriation from 1944 to the Present.by Julius Epstein p.27, 53.



a. Gen. Deniken, former commanding general of the White Russian armies which were supported by the USA in 1917-1920, explained that none of these men served in the Nazi army out of love for Germany..."they hated the Germans" he wrote....rather, they knew what awaited them in the 'Soviet paradise.'





More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal"byNikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.




Tom Clancy has a hero combat soldier exclaim his opinion about the thugs who ran the Soviet Union, the communists:

"Misha waved his hand, looking in annoyance at the way it shook. "I have never had much respect for the chekisti. When I was leading my men, they were there-behind us. They were very efficient at shooting prisoners-prisoners that real soldiers had taken. They were also rather good at murdering people who'd been forced to retreat. I even remember one case where a chekist lieutenant took command of a tank troop and led it into a fucking swamp. At least the Germans I killed were men, fighting men. I hated them, but I could respect them for the soldiers they were. Your kind, on the other hand… perhaps we simple soldiers never really understood who the enemy was. Sometimes I wonder who has killed more Russians, the Germans-or people like you?" p. 383





How badly did these individuals not want to go to Stalin's USSR? From the NYTimes, January 20, 1946: "Ten renegade Russian soldiers, in a frenzy of terror over their impending repatriation to the homeland, committed suicide today during a riot in the Dachau prison camp...."



a. And, in the Times, March 5, 1946: " - Many thousands of persons hostile to the present regime in the Soviet Union are being forcibly sent there....the Catholic Church constantly received appeals from 'displaced persons' terrified of being sent back to territory now controlled by Russia."




Having fun yet?????

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Ready for another punch????


Here goes:


Russians would do anything not to return to Roosevelt's pal's 'paradise.'

The 850,000 strong army of Gen. Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov, having gone to the other side, Germany, "to save their country from Stalin" and having later surrendered to US forces, "formed the core of those forcibly repatriated between 1944 and 1947."

"Operation Keelhaul; The Story of Forced Repatriation from 1944 to the Present.by Julius Epstein p.27, 53.



a. Gen. Deniken, former commanding general of the White Russian armies which were supported by the USA in 1917-1920, explained that none of these men served in the Nazi army out of love for Germany..."they hated the Germans" he wrote....rather, they knew what awaited them in the 'Soviet paradise.'





More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal"byNikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.




Tom Clancy has a hero combat soldier exclaim his opinion about the thugs who ran the Soviet Union, the communists:

"Misha waved his hand, looking in annoyance at the way it shook. "I have never had much respect for the chekisti. When I was leading my men, they were there-behind us. They were very efficient at shooting prisoners-prisoners that real soldiers had taken. They were also rather good at murdering people who'd been forced to retreat. I even remember one case where a chekist lieutenant took command of a tank troop and led it into a fucking swamp. At least the Germans I killed were men, fighting men. I hated them, but I could respect them for the soldiers they were. Your kind, on the other hand… perhaps we simple soldiers never really understood who the enemy was. Sometimes I wonder who has killed more Russians, the Germans-or people like you?" p. 383





How badly did these individuals not want to go to Stalin's USSR? From the NYTimes, January 20, 1946: "Ten renegade Russian soldiers, in a frenzy of terror over their impending repatriation to the homeland, committed suicide today during a riot in the Dachau prison camp...."



a. And, in the Times, March 5, 1946: " - Many thousands of persons hostile to the present regime in the Soviet Union are being forcibly sent there....the Catholic Church constantly received appeals from 'displaced persons' terrified of being sent back to territory now controlled by Russia."




Having fun yet?????

Americans joined the Nazis too.

I'm sure people from every country did.

 

[Ringo]

Ready for another punch????


Here goes:


Russians would do anything not to return to Roosevelt's pal's 'paradise.'

The 850,000 strong army of Gen. Andrei Andreyevich Vlasov, having gone to the other side, Germany, "to save their country from Stalin" and having later surrendered to US forces, "formed the core of those forcibly repatriated between 1944 and 1947."

"Operation Keelhaul; The Story of Forced Repatriation from 1944 to the Present.by Julius Epstein p.27, 53.



a. Gen. Deniken, former commanding general of the White Russian armies which were supported by the USA in 1917-1920, explained that none of these men served in the Nazi army out of love for Germany..."they hated the Germans" he wrote....rather, they knew what awaited them in the 'Soviet paradise.'





More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army. "The Secret Betrayal"byNikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.




Tom Clancy has a hero combat soldier exclaim his opinion about the thugs who ran the Soviet Union, the communists:

"Misha waved his hand, looking in annoyance at the way it shook. "I have never had much respect for the chekisti. When I was leading my men, they were there-behind us. They were very efficient at shooting prisoners-prisoners that real soldiers had taken. They were also rather good at murdering people who'd been forced to retreat. I even remember one case where a chekist lieutenant took command of a tank troop and led it into a fucking swamp. At least the Germans I killed were men, fighting men. I hated them, but I could respect them for the soldiers they were. Your kind, on the other hand… perhaps we simple soldiers never really understood who the enemy was. Sometimes I wonder who has killed more Russians, the Germans-or people like you?" p. 383





How badly did these individuals not want to go to Stalin's USSR? From the NYTimes, January 20, 1946: "Ten renegade Russian soldiers, in a frenzy of terror over their impending repatriation to the homeland, committed suicide today during a riot in the Dachau prison camp...."



a. And, in the Times, March 5, 1946: " - Many thousands of persons hostile to the present regime in the Soviet Union are being forcibly sent there....the Catholic Church constantly received appeals from 'displaced persons' terrified of being sent back to territory now controlled by Russia."




Having fun yet?????

The nazi moron thinks that the more space his message occupies, by leaving large gaps, all the more confidence in her nazi propaganda.

 

[Dayton3]

The fact that we didn't drive through Berlin on our way to moscow is damned unfortunate. 100 million russians/chinese and others might still be alive. Too bad J. Edgar Hoover was too much of a fruitcake to hunt these assholes down and throw them out with the Bund.

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There was basically ZERO American political support at any level for continuing World War Two for longer than it took in real life.

Even though the U.S. suffered but a fraction of the losses that many major nations did in World War Two the American people were still tired of the war after four years.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

There was basically ZERO American political support at any level for continuing World War Two for longer than it took in real life.

Even though the U.S. suffered but a fraction of the losses that many major nations did in World War Two the American people were still tired of the war after four years.

One of the things, among many things, that led to the dropping of the atomic bombs.

 

[marvin martian]

T-34 was arguably the best overall tank of the war. And where it fell short, it made up for in numbers.

The Soviets valued life enough to give their soldiers good equipment.

Did you know Soviet infantry were not allowed to walk behind the tanks for protection, as Americans and British did? No, they had to walk in front of the tanks.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Did you know Soviet infantry were not allowed to walk behind the tanks for protection, as Americans and British did? No, they had to walk in front of the tanks.

I don't believe that.


America gave a lot of money to the Soviets

• 400,000 jeeps & trucks
• 14,000 airplanes
• 8,000 tractors
• 13,000 tanks
• 1.5 million blankets
• 15 million pairs of army boots
• 107,000 tons of cotton
• 2.7 million tons of petrol products
• 4.5 million tons of food

$11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945

2,000 locomotives and 10,000 railcars.

But the Soviets liked our radios, aluminum and aviation fuel the most.

"Better them dying than us," people would say.

Katusha rockets mounted on a Studebaker truck.

 

[Dayton3]

I don't believe that.

Why not? IIRC the Soviets considered the tanks worth much more than individual infantryman.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

Why not? IIRC the Soviets considered the tanks worth much more than individual infantryman.

I need some proof.

 

[AMart]

Why would America not enter that war?

Because Germany never attacked the USA.

 

[Dayton3]

I need some proof.

It isn't the type of information that any military would promote. Soviet disdain for the lives of their service people were not across the board. For example it is common knowledge that Soviet ejection seats for their fighter pilots are just about the best in the world because the Soviets don't want to lose expensive to train and valuable experienced combat pilots.

Also if combat pilots have faith in their ejection seats then they are more willing to push their aircraft beyond the edge in battle.

 

[Dayton3]

Because Germany never attacked the USA.

Actually they made some very low level occasional attacks on the U.S. Including landing two four man teams in the U.S. to conduct sabotage operations.

 

[Otis Mayfield]

It isn't the type of information that any military would promote. Soviet disdain for the lives of their service people were not across the board. For example it is common knowledge that Soviet ejection seats for their fighter pilots are just about the best in the world because the Soviets don't want to lose expensive to train and valuable experienced combat pilots.

Also if combat pilots have faith in their ejection seats then they are more willing to push their aircraft beyond the edge in battle.

It must be documented somewhere.

Some private must've written a book after the war or something. Maybe a foreign officer liaison saw it?

Maybe it never happened.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Because Germany never attacked the USA.

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[Dayton3]

It must be documented somewhere.

Some private must've written a book after the war or something. Maybe a foreign officer liaison saw it?

Maybe it never happened.

You think Soviet rank and file soldiers routinely have book published about their war time experiences? Especially if those experiences cast the Soviet state in a bad light?

 

[Ringo]

Did you know Soviet infantry were not allowed to walk behind the tanks for protection, as Americans and British did? No, they had to walk in front of the tanks.

How much false shit the democratic media has put in people's heads...

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm not sure we shouldn't have entered the war, what with Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war on us.....but I agree with Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'
Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"

We should have recognized that the Soviets had no choice but to fight the Germans. Germany would have left the USSR an emasculated client state that only controlled whatever territory Germany didn't desire. It would have been in the WAllies best interests to leave Germany and the USSR to chew on each other like Kilkenny Cats. Neither country was a friend of the western democracies. The enemy of my enemy ISN'T my friend, in Stalin's case he was certainly our enemy; taking advantage of FDR's naiveite and generosity.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Murica only had the two bombs dropped on Japan on hand.

Could have easily commandeered German tanks and other hardware to turn on the Soviets and run them back to Moscow....Would have also been plausible to marshal several divisions of regular Wehrmacht troops and sane Generals (i.e Gyer von Schweppenburg/Heinrici) to command them.

By April, 1945 the Germans had few tanks to "commandeer". German armored divisions often had fewer armored vehicles than an American battalion and even those would be a motley mix of assault guns, panzer jaegers and tanks