FEMA Deceives Nation About Twin Towers Core

[Fizz]

This proves it is not correct. Documentation will be provided eventually.

Where is you link to another diagram?

Where is your link to the official building plans?

that is exactly how the FEMA drawing would like if covered with gyspum and smoking and falling.

Do you see any fire?

That was seconds before.

do you see any concrete core?

You asked me to verify that the one I posted was from FEMA. I allege that is the ONLY official depiction of any kind. It seems I must be correct if you know of no other.



The one from FEMA is not correct and the images from 9-11 as well as other independently verified evidence prove it.

no jackass. i didnt ask you to prove it was from FEMA. i asked you to prove the FEMA drawing was not correct.

you have no independently verified evidence. you have NO EVIDENCE AT ALL!!!

the plans were provided to FEMA by robertson. go read his website. he is under no obligation to release his hard earned work for free to you or me. you are barking up the wrong tree there, goofy.

Go read Newsweek on September 13, 2001 because 3,000 had just been killed and the engineer of record has HUGE liability so information provided to global publications WILL be correct. Years later, any published data could be erroneous by coercion.

you fucking moron. how many times are you going to claim robertson said what is clearly what the reporter is reporting in error.

robertson has no liability at all since he never said it.

you coercion statement is absolutely hilarious. why would there be any coercion needed? its clear by the thousands of construction photos that the twins had a steel core. you cant find any proof of a concrete core other than handful of people making erroneous statements. how about finally providing some evidence of your claims?

so where is you pictures of a concrete core? why cant you ever show any concrete core, not even on 9/11??

If what I have filed is correct,

Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382

Then the perps would never logically allow you to admit that FEMA was wrong or the images from 9-11 and ground zero show concrete.

All is consistent with allegations of treason by deception and felony obstruction of justice.

if FEMA was wrong i would happily admit it. they arent as proven by ALL the evidence. not just some of the evidence..... but ALL THE EVIDENCE!!!

 

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[DiveCon]

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[Fizz]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB6xdCS9NJU]YouTube - 9/11: Why They Fell pt 2[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqDTEZIdg7g&feature=PlayList&p=A6382FD1025BACE9&index=62]YouTube - WTC 1&2 UNIQUE DESIGN.[/ame]


"For a combination of historical, cultural and economic reasons, tall, concrete-core buildings dedicated to office use are unusual in New York, where builders prefer the wallboard-enclosed cores with steel frames that Mr. Robertson pioneered in the trade center."
New York Timeshere


"Engineers are still debating whether the Twin Towers' unique structure should be credited for surviving the initial crashes, or blamed for collapsing in the subsequent fires, or both. But the point is that it was unique, utilizing closely spaced columns connected to a steel core by relatively lightweight floor trusses. "
Newsweek. Newsweek.com


"Each of the towers, more than 200 ft. wide on each side, contained a central steel core surrounded by open office space. Eighteen-inch steel tubes ran vertically along the outside, providing much of the support for the building"
Time Magazine.TIME.com


"The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry. Worried that the intense air pressure created by the building's high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core. "
engineering.comENGINEERING.com


"Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.

“A lot of people have told me, ‘You should have used more concrete in the structure,’” said Robertson. However, his chart plotting the strength of steel vs. concrete at various temperatures showed that at the incendiary levels that raged in the towers, the two materials become similarly weak."
Berkeley 04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered


"Yamasaki has switched from concrete, his favorite medium, to steel because of the sheer height of the towers, and instead of having the weight of the structure carried by the frame and the elevator core, the great steel columns of the exterior walls will support it."
Time Magazine article from 1964!! Art: Onward & Upward - TIME

 

[DiveCon]

come on Fizz, you have posted that for him several times
he hasnt got it yet, what makes you think he will ever get it?

 

[Christophera]

That image does not look into the core. That is the framework surrounding the concrete core. This image shows it more clearly. The wide spacing and floor beams identify the inner framed wall.

Aside from that, the rest of the images are all misrepresentations as well, and I've shown this to be the case many times.

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[Fizz]

That image does not look into the core. That is the framework surrounding the concrete core. This image shows it more clearly. The wide spacing and floor beams identify the inner framed wall.

Aside from that, the rest of the images are all misrepresentation as well, and I've shown this to be the case many times.

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you are delusional. you saying there were Berkley errors doesnt make it true. you saying it is an "unknown structure" when its already been proven where it came from doesnt make it true.

you simply make shit up.

 

[Christophera]

That image does not look into the core. That is the framework surrounding the concrete core. This image shows it more clearly. The wide spacing and floor beams identify the inner framed wall.

Aside from that, the rest of the images are all misrepresentation as well, and I've shown this to be the case many times.

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you are delusional. you saying there were Berkley errors doesnt make it true. you saying it is an "unknown structure" when its already been proven where it came from doesnt make it true.

you simply make shit up.

04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered
Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.

This is how lies are exposed. berkeley.edu says between a hollow steel core and FEMA says steel core columns.

Crap

 

[DiveCon]

That image does not look into the core. That is the framework surrounding the concrete core. This image shows it more clearly. The wide spacing and floor beams identify the inner framed wall.

Aside from that, the rest of the images are all misrepresentation as well, and I've shown this to be the case many times.

SPAM12
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2055868-post4036.html

SPAM6
http://www.usmessageboard.com/1914220-post3527.html

FIZZ SPAM
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BERKLEY ERRORS
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TIME MAGAZINE ERRORS
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SPAM 4-POSTING UNKNOWN STRUCTURE CALLING IT WTC TWIN
http://www.usmessageboard.com/18978...//www.usmessageboard.com/conspiracy-theories/

you are delusional. you saying there were Berkley errors doesnt make it true. you saying it is an "unknown structure" when its already been proven where it came from doesnt make it true.

you simply make shit up.

04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered
Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.

This is how lies are exposed. berkeley.edu says between a hollow steel core and FEMA says steel core columns.

Crap

LOL you are too fucking stupid
hollow steel and what FEMA said is not in conflict

 

[Fizz]

This is how lies are exposed. berkeley.edu says between a hollow steel core and FEMA says steel core columns.

Crap

you are a jackass. its hollow because its NOT FILLED WITH CONCRETE!!

you really are a moron. both fema and berkely are saying the same thing.

 

[Christophera]

you are delusional. you saying there were Berkley errors doesnt make it true. you saying it is an "unknown structure" when its already been proven where it came from doesnt make it true.

you simply make shit up.

04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered
Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.

This is how lies are exposed. berkeley.edu says between a hollow steel core and FEMA says steel core columns.

Crap

hollow steel and what FEMA said is not in conflict

Big conflict with each other and completely out of line with independent sources that have high authority.

MSNBC - ?Painful and Horrible?
Leslie Robertson, Architect Of The World Trade Center Towers

Still, Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did—managing to stand for over an hour despite direct hits from two massive commercial jetliners.

August Domel, Ph.d SE. PE.
It was designed as a tube building that included a perimeter moment-resisting frame consisting of steel columns spaced on 39-inch centers. The load carrying system was designed so that the steel facade would resist lateral and gravity forces and the interior concrete core would carry only gravity loads.

Oxford encyclopedia of Technology and Innovation, published in 1992.

The WTC 2 concrete core.

A portion of the WTC 1 east concrete core wall toppling into the empty core area.

Rebar of the WTC 1 north and west wall surrounding the empty core area.

 

[DiveCon]

04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered
Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.




This is how lies are exposed. berkeley.edu says between a hollow steel core and FEMA says steel core columns.

Crap

hollow steel and what FEMA said is not in conflict

Big conflict with each other and completely out of line with independent sources that have high authority.

MSNBC - ?Painful and Horrible?
Leslie Robertson, Architect Of The World Trade Center Towers

Still, Robertson, whose firm is responsible for three of the six tallest buildings in the world, feels a sense of pride that the massive towers, supported by a steel-tube exoskeleton and a reinforced concrete core, held up as well as they did—managing to stand for over an hour despite direct hits from two massive commercial jetliners.

August Domel, Ph.d SE. PE.
It was designed as a tube building that included a perimeter moment-resisting frame consisting of steel columns spaced on 39-inch centers. The load carrying system was designed so that the steel facade would resist lateral and gravity forces and the interior concrete core would carry only gravity loads.

Oxford encyclopedia of Technology and Innovation, published in 1992.

The WTC 2 concrete core.



A portion of the WTC 1 east concrete core wall toppling into the empty core area.



Rebar of the WTC 1 north and west wall surrounding the empty core area.

you are such a lying piece of shit

 

[Fizz]

find any pictures of a concrete core yet?
find any documentation to your claim of "elevator guide rail support" that you pulled out of your ass?
find any documentation to support your claim that the cores were radically different?
find any pictures of the concrete core getting constructed?
find any building plans for a concrete core?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB6xdCS9NJU]YouTube - 9/11: Why They Fell pt 2[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqDTEZIdg7g&feature=PlayList&p=A6382FD1025BACE9&index=62]YouTube - WTC 1&2 UNIQUE DESIGN.[/ame]


"For a combination of historical, cultural and economic reasons, tall, concrete-core buildings dedicated to office use are unusual in New York, where builders prefer the wallboard-enclosed cores with steel frames that Mr. Robertson pioneered in the trade center."
New York Timeshere


"Engineers are still debating whether the Twin Towers' unique structure should be credited for surviving the initial crashes, or blamed for collapsing in the subsequent fires, or both. But the point is that it was unique, utilizing closely spaced columns connected to a steel core by relatively lightweight floor trusses. "
Newsweek. Newsweek.com


"Each of the towers, more than 200 ft. wide on each side, contained a central steel core surrounded by open office space. Eighteen-inch steel tubes ran vertically along the outside, providing much of the support for the building"
Time Magazine.TIME.com


"The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry. Worried that the intense air pressure created by the building's high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core. "
engineering.comENGINEERING.com


"Like many high-rises built in the 1960s, the Twin Towers were constructed with their weight distributed between a hollow steel core (containing services like elevators) and steel columns around the perimeter, maximizing open floor space. Many believe the older high-rise design, in which steel columns are often encased in concrete, is more fire resistant.

“A lot of people have told me, ‘You should have used more concrete in the structure,’” said Robertson. However, his chart plotting the strength of steel vs. concrete at various temperatures showed that at the incendiary levels that raged in the towers, the two materials become similarly weak."
Berkeley 04.17.2002 - World Trade Center remembered


"Yamasaki has switched from concrete, his favorite medium, to steel because of the sheer height of the towers, and instead of having the weight of the structure carried by the frame and the elevator core, the great steel columns of the exterior walls will support it."
Time Magazine article from 1964!! Art: Onward & Upward - TIME

 

[Christophera]

find any pictures of a concrete core yet?
find any documentation to your claim of "elevator guide rail support" that you pulled out of your ass?
find any documentation to support your claim that the cores were radically different?
find any pictures of the concrete core getting constructed?
find any building plans for a concrete core?

I've been showing you the concrete core but you serve the perps so refuse to acknowledge it.

You cannot find official plans or we would see details of steel in the core all describing guide rail support steel. You refuse to recognize that guiliani took the WTC documents

BTW, you didn't find any way to substantiate that the documents were returned after microfilming, so yuo've been nusted in yet one more lie.

The core FEMA describes and what berkely.edu describes are totally different. Such a difference cannot exist in reality. The evidence for a concrete core is much more consistent AND from independent sources.

The construction photos of concrete are gone because guiliani took the WTC documents but you serve the perps so refuse to acknowledge the fact. Same for the plans.

And you cannot post one image of steel core columns in the core area on 9-11 while I have many of concrete walls surrounding the core in the disclosure presented to a judge.

Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382

Your spam has been exposed so much, it's worn out.

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[DiveCon]

And you cannot post one image of steel core columns in the core area on 9-11

fucking LIAR

 

[Fizz]

find any pictures of a concrete core yet?
find any documentation to your claim of "elevator guide rail support" that you pulled out of your ass?
find any documentation to support your claim that the cores were radically different?
find any pictures of the concrete core getting constructed?
find any building plans for a concrete core?

I've been showing you the concrete core but you serve the perps so refuse to acknowledge it.

you havent shown even one picture of a concrete core. NOT ONE!!!!

You cannot find official plans or we would see details of steel in the core all describing guide rail support steel.

no jackass. the only person calling anything "elevator support steel" is you. you lie. you simply made it up. its all in your delusional mind.

You refuse to recognize that guiliani took the WTC documents

there was nothing illegal about him taking them and archiving them. they were all returned after being microfilmed. you refuse to acknowledge that.

BTW, you didn't find any way to substantiate that the documents were returned after microfilming, so yuo've been nusted in yet one more lie.

article from USAtoday says they were all returned. what do you have?

The core FEMA describes and what berkely.edu describes are totally different. Such a difference cannot exist in reality. The evidnece for a concrete core is much more consistent AND from independent sources.

no jackass. they are not totally different. they both describe the steel core.

The construction photos of concrete are gone because guiliani took the WTC documents but you serve the perps so refuse to acknowledge the fact. Same for the plans.

again, you simply make shit up. where are you getting the information that the tower plans were part of what guiliani had archived and returned? where is you documentation to prove that the files contained construction pictures? why would a mayor have construction pictures from before he was in office? you are completely insane.

provide documentation for your claims.

And you cannot post one image of steel core columns in the core area on 9-11 while I have many in the disclosure presented to a judge.

you post pictures of the steel core columns in the core area on 9/11 all the time. the fact that you claim we cant is not only funny but proves you are a completely delusional moron.

Title 18, part I, chapter 115, §2382

let me know how that all works out for you.

Your spam has been exposed so much, it's worn out.

i'm going to keep posting proof that the core was steel every time you claim its concrete.

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your only proof is your post claiming they are wrong!!! linking to yourself isnt proof, jackass!!!

for instance, the structure is not unknown. its the WTC towers. its from a documentary on building the towers!!

 

[Christophera]

your only proof is your post claiming they are wrong!!! linking to yourself isnt proof, jackass!!!

That is why I quote you in the posts and then prove you wrong.

Explain to us again how strong the drywall is and how it is fastened to the steel core columns so securely that hundreds of thousands of tons of steel wreckage can crash over it and maintain the uniform shape it has below with each core column uniformly covered.

 

[Fizz]

your only proof is your post claiming they are wrong!!! linking to yourself isnt proof, jackass!!!

That is why I quote you in the posts and then prove you wrong.

Explain to us again how strong the drywall is and how it is fastened to the steel core columns so securely that hundreds of thousands of tons of steel wreckage can crash over it and maintain the uniform shape it has below with each core column uniformly covered.

please provide proof that hundreds of thousands of tons crashed over it. since the steel core went to the top of the building and the rest of the building is clearly gone before the core.... how can it possibly have crashed over it? did somebody pick up these hundreds of thousands of tons of steel wreckage and then drop them over the core again?

of course, your concrete core hoax claims the concrete was exploded and thats why the buildings came down but we can clearly see thats a lie. if this was a concrete core in your picture (it isnt because there was no concrete core) then how do you explain the building being gone and your concrete core still intact?

find any proof of a concrete core yet?
any building plans?
any construction photos?
any rebar?

 

[Christophera]

You have explained nothing and what you suggest is clearly in conflict with the quasi explanation of "pancake" and "hammer effect".

The steel core columns did not exist which is why NO ONE has ever posted an image of steel core columns inthe core area. This image has the core area totally clear to a very low elevation and the core is EMPTY.

What is seen is clearly too small to be structural steel and can only be rebar with the slight arc it has . . . agent.

 

[Fizz]

those are steel core columns right there in your picture, jackass!!