First ISIS inspired attack on U.S. soil, and what is the left doing?

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Now that we have seen video evidence inside the couples apartment of an ungodly amount of IED's and weaponry, with at least the wife known to have recently pledged to ISIS...patterning their bombs from terrorist sponsered material....what are Democrats and leftist doing?

First they went to tragically laughable extremes to avoid calling it terrorism...even up to yesterday still trying to paint it as workplace violence.
Second, once it finally came to the point you just can't deny it any longer - they deflect the true story by attempting to make it about gun control and not terrorism.
The Daily mail today produced a front page showing four Republican senators saying essentially "our prayers are with the victims and families" with large bold letters saying "God can't fix this" (ignoring that one of the first things Obama said is exactly the same thing)
ISIS connected terrorist have now killed innocent people in America, and the left are in denial and trying everything they can to make it about something else.

Just a few points and perhaps questions:

The Obama administration used restraint and kept a cool head about the motives of the shooters because nothing was clear at first. That is called leadership. Leaders do not alarm the public and stokes fears without good reason. The hysterics from the right were motivated by the need to further demonize Muslims at any and every opportunity. Now that we know more, no one is denying what it is.

As far as making it about gun control……why the fuck can’t it be about both gun control AND terrorism? Terrorists are giddy about how easy it is for them to get guns!

Now a question…..what the fuck do you think that “the left” –who ever that is exactly should be doing or advocating? Maybe follow Field Marshal Trump’s advice to register all Muslims and brand them? To further demonize them and alienate them? Do you not understand that that plays into ISIS hands? You people on the right are recruiting for them by marginalizing American Muslims. Consider this……

After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-paris-and-california-attacks-us-muslims-feel-intense-backlash/2015/12/03/bcf8e480-9a09-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_backlash-640am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory Selected excerpts:

American Muslims say they are living through an intensely painful moment and feel growing anti-Muslim sentiment after the recent Islamic State attacks in Paris and this week’s San Bernardino shootings, carried out by a Muslim husband and wife.

The motivations of the California killers are still unclear, although authorities are investigating it as a potential act of terrorism. Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims.

Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism.

Read more….

Many Muslims said fear of Islam is being fueled by the heated rhetoric of Republican presidential candidates, particularly businessman Donald Trump, who has called for surveillance of some mosques and requiring Muslims to register with the government.

Islamophobia is the accepted form of racism in America,” Iftikhar said. “Leaders like Donald Trump show us that you can take a potshot at Muslims and get away with it.”

Do you think that this horseshit does not contribute to radicalization….

The backlash against them has created a deepening sense of alienation. Talk of creating Muslim databases and noting Muslims’ religion on their IDs has echoes for many of the forced internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. Many mosques have asked local police for more security.

“There’s a constant climate of insinuation of terrorism and disloyalty that creates this pervasive sense of being an outsider,” said Haroon Moghul, a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in Washington.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Now that we have seen video evidence inside the couples apartment of an ungodly amount of IED's and weaponry, with at least the wife known to have recently pledged to ISIS...patterning their bombs from terrorist sponsered material....what are Democrats and leftist doing?

First they went to tragically laughable extremes to avoid calling it terrorism...even up to yesterday still trying to paint it as workplace violence.
Second, once it finally came to the point you just can't deny it any longer - they deflect the true story by attempting to make it about gun control and not terrorism.
The Daily mail today produced a front page showing four Republican senators saying essentially "our prayers are with the victims and families" with large bold letters saying "God can't fix this" (ignoring that one of the first things Obama said is exactly the same thing)
ISIS connected terrorist have now killed innocent people in America, and the left are in denial and trying everything they can to make it about something else.

Just a few points and perhaps questions:

The Obama administration used restraint and kept a cool head about the motives of the shooters because nothing was clear at first. That is called leadership. Leaders do not alarm the public and stokes fears without good reason. The hysterics from the right were motivated by the need to further demonize Muslims at any and every opportunity. Now that we know more, no one is denying what it is.

As far as making it about gun control……why the fuck can’t it be about both gun control AND terrorism? Terrorists are giddy about how easy it is for them to get guns!

Now a question…..what the fuck do you think that “the left” –who ever that is exactly should be doing or advocating? Maybe follow Field Marshal Trump’s advice to register all Muslims and brand them? To further demonize them and alienate them? Do you not understand that that plays into ISIS hands? You people on the right are recruiting for them by marginalizing American Muslims. Consider this……

After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-paris-and-california-attacks-us-muslims-feel-intense-backlash/2015/12/03/bcf8e480-9a09-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_backlash-640am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory Selected excerpts:

American Muslims say they are living through an intensely painful moment and feel growing anti-Muslim sentiment after the recent Islamic State attacks in Paris and this week’s San Bernardino shootings, carried out by a Muslim husband and wife.

The motivations of the California killers are still unclear, although authorities are investigating it as a potential act of terrorism. Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims.

Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism.

Read more….

Many Muslims said fear of Islam is being fueled by the heated rhetoric of Republican presidential candidates, particularly businessman Donald Trump, who has called for surveillance of some mosques and requiring Muslims to register with the government.

Islamophobia is the accepted form of racism in America,” Iftikhar said. “Leaders like Donald Trump show us that you can take a potshot at Muslims and get away with it.”

Do you think that this horseshit does not contribute to radicalization….

The backlash against them has created a deepening sense of alienation. Talk of creating Muslim databases and noting Muslims’ religion on their IDs has echoes for many of the forced internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. Many mosques have asked local police for more security.

“There’s a constant climate of insinuation of terrorism and disloyalty that creates this pervasive sense of being an outsider,” said Haroon Moghul, a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in Washington.

You merely deflect with style. Admirable in your attempt, but deflection nevertheless.

1) Obama does not find out information like we do. He would have been informed within hours of the apartment raid of what was inside. At that moment he knew. I dare say I am willing to place my reputation that he and his administration was dismayed that it was indeed terrorism like anyone with half a brain knew as soon as the names of the perpetrators were released.
2) I personally know some Arab people, and, I know it seems stereotypical to say this - but it is true, a number of gas stations and for some reason Subway restaurants around here are Arab owned. I do not think of them as terrorist, that is silly. However if I lived next door to one and saw them doing what this couple was doing - yes I would be concerned and would have called authorities. That is not "jumping to conclusions" that is using available knowledge to make a careful decision.
3) The left trying to paint conservatives as a bunch of hot headed Nazis ready to send them all to the gas chamber is both stupid and non productive.
4) As someone else said in another thread...self preservation triumphs political correction every. single. time. All of this would have been avoided if the neighbors who suspected something, but didn't want to appear racist, made a simple call. Do you applaud their resistance to call authorities?

 

[jc456]

Pray tell, what are the Conservatives doing? Blocking legislation to prevent gun sales to those on the No Fly List?

What are your suggestions?

Bear in mind, no one I mean NO ONE knew these two in California were radicalized by ISIS. No one, and I mean NO ONE had the first clue that these two had plotted an attack.

Meanwhile, the thoughts should be centered on how on earth can we prevent these acts of violence and mayhem. And our prayers should be prayers for forgiveness if we sit back and continue to do nothing.

So you admit the vetting process doesnt work....
Now we're getting somewhere.

What vetting? He was an American citizen and she was a Pakistani. Neither were refugees.

She was supposedly vetted.
And I dont care where they come from,if they're muslims they shouldnt be let in under the circumstances we find ourselves in.

What about our fellow American citizens who happen to be Muslim? religious restriction on immigrants, what then would be the difference between that policy and the policies of Nazi Germany?

were the jews and christians killing people?

 

[jc456]

Now that we have seen video evidence inside the couples apartment of an ungodly amount of IED's and weaponry, with at least the wife known to have recently pledged to ISIS...patterning their bombs from terrorist sponsered material....what are Democrats and leftist doing?

First they went to tragically laughable extremes to avoid calling it terrorism...even up to yesterday still trying to paint it as workplace violence.
Second, once it finally came to the point you just can't deny it any longer - they deflect the true story by attempting to make it about gun control and not terrorism.
The Daily mail today produced a front page showing four Republican senators saying essentially "our prayers are with the victims and families" with large bold letters saying "God can't fix this" (ignoring that one of the first things Obama said is exactly the same thing)
ISIS connected terrorist have now killed innocent people in America, and the left are in denial and trying everything they can to make it about something else.

Just a few points and perhaps questions:

The Obama administration used restraint and kept a cool head about the motives of the shooters because nothing was clear at first. That is called leadership. Leaders do not alarm the public and stokes fears without good reason. The hysterics from the right were motivated by the need to further demonize Muslims at any and every opportunity. Now that we know more, no one is denying what it is.

As far as making it about gun control……why the fuck can’t it be about both gun control AND terrorism? Terrorists are giddy about how easy it is for them to get guns!

Now a question…..what the fuck do you think that “the left” –who ever that is exactly should be doing or advocating? Maybe follow Field Marshal Trump’s advice to register all Muslims and brand them? To further demonize them and alienate them? Do you not understand that that plays into ISIS hands? You people on the right are recruiting for them by marginalizing American Muslims. Consider this……

After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-paris-and-california-attacks-us-muslims-feel-intense-backlash/2015/12/03/bcf8e480-9a09-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_backlash-640am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory Selected excerpts:

American Muslims say they are living through an intensely painful moment and feel growing anti-Muslim sentiment after the recent Islamic State attacks in Paris and this week’s San Bernardino shootings, carried out by a Muslim husband and wife.

The motivations of the California killers are still unclear, although authorities are investigating it as a potential act of terrorism. Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims.

Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism.

Read more….

Many Muslims said fear of Islam is being fueled by the heated rhetoric of Republican presidential candidates, particularly businessman Donald Trump, who has called for surveillance of some mosques and requiring Muslims to register with the government.

Islamophobia is the accepted form of racism in America,” Iftikhar said. “Leaders like Donald Trump show us that you can take a potshot at Muslims and get away with it.”

Do you think that this horseshit does not contribute to radicalization….

The backlash against them has created a deepening sense of alienation. Talk of creating Muslim databases and noting Muslims’ religion on their IDs has echoes for many of the forced internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. Many mosques have asked local police for more security.

“There’s a constant climate of insinuation of terrorism and disloyalty that creates this pervasive sense of being an outsider,” said Haroon Moghul, a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in Washington.

yeah right, gun controls failed us again. yeah let's go with that one, because the guns were legal. But hey let's be a leader and not jump to conclusions. right?

 

[jc456]

Now that we have seen video evidence inside the couples apartment of an ungodly amount of IED's and weaponry, with at least the wife known to have recently pledged to ISIS...patterning their bombs from terrorist sponsered material....what are Democrats and leftist doing?

First they went to tragically laughable extremes to avoid calling it terrorism...even up to yesterday still trying to paint it as workplace violence.
Second, once it finally came to the point you just can't deny it any longer - they deflect the true story by attempting to make it about gun control and not terrorism.
The Daily mail today produced a front page showing four Republican senators saying essentially "our prayers are with the victims and families" with large bold letters saying "God can't fix this" (ignoring that one of the first things Obama said is exactly the same thing)
ISIS connected terrorist have now killed innocent people in America, and the left are in denial and trying everything they can to make it about something else.

Just a few points and perhaps questions:

The Obama administration used restraint and kept a cool head about the motives of the shooters because nothing was clear at first. That is called leadership. Leaders do not alarm the public and stokes fears without good reason. The hysterics from the right were motivated by the need to further demonize Muslims at any and every opportunity. Now that we know more, no one is denying what it is.

As far as making it about gun control……why the fuck can’t it be about both gun control AND terrorism? Terrorists are giddy about how easy it is for them to get guns!

Now a question…..what the fuck do you think that “the left” –who ever that is exactly should be doing or advocating? Maybe follow Field Marshal Trump’s advice to register all Muslims and brand them? To further demonize them and alienate them? Do you not understand that that plays into ISIS hands? You people on the right are recruiting for them by marginalizing American Muslims. Consider this……

After Paris and California attacks, U.S. Muslims feel intense backlash https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-paris-and-california-attacks-us-muslims-feel-intense-backlash/2015/12/03/bcf8e480-9a09-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_backlash-640am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory Selected excerpts:

American Muslims say they are living through an intensely painful moment and feel growing anti-Muslim sentiment after the recent Islamic State attacks in Paris and this week’s San Bernardino shootings, carried out by a Muslim husband and wife.

The motivations of the California killers are still unclear, although authorities are investigating it as a potential act of terrorism. Muslims said they are bracing for an even more toxic climate in which Americans are increasingly suspicious of Muslims.

Muslims say that Americans, like many in Europe, often do not draw a distinction between radical Islamist militants, such as those associated with the Islamic State and al-Qaeda, and the religion of Islam and its followers who have no ties to extremism.

Read more….

Many Muslims said fear of Islam is being fueled by the heated rhetoric of Republican presidential candidates, particularly businessman Donald Trump, who has called for surveillance of some mosques and requiring Muslims to register with the government.

Islamophobia is the accepted form of racism in America,” Iftikhar said. “Leaders like Donald Trump show us that you can take a potshot at Muslims and get away with it.”

Do you think that this horseshit does not contribute to radicalization….

The backlash against them has created a deepening sense of alienation. Talk of creating Muslim databases and noting Muslims’ religion on their IDs has echoes for many of the forced internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. Many mosques have asked local police for more security.

“There’s a constant climate of insinuation of terrorism and disloyalty that creates this pervasive sense of being an outsider,” said Haroon Moghul, a fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in Washington.

for the life of me I can't figure you jack monkeys out. you post hypocritically, why is that? can't you just stfu and leave us all alone until you got facts about something? I mean really, dude, your nonsense here is so libturdy that I can't stop laughing.

 

[jc456]

First ISIS inspired attack on U.S. soil, and what is the left doing?


the left are saying - we will defeat the "criminals" (terrorists) because even though they murder us we give them love in return.

Lets light some more candles.... express our love and tolerance for our killers and they will love us in return.

Terrorists kill us but it's all part of their beautiful sacred culture and as we all know...all cultures are equal and you really can't blame them.... poor babies.

You would appear to be lying.

Is it because you are stupid or because you side with ISIS?

about what? explain. I hate immature posters who post up words without an example. what's a lie in the post?

 

[Dr Grump]

Now that we have seen video evidence inside the couples apartment of an ungodly amount of IED's and weaponry, with at least the wife known to have recently pledged to ISIS...patterning their bombs from terrorist sponsered material....what are Democrats and leftist doing?

First they went to tragically laughable extremes to avoid calling it terrorism...even up to yesterday still trying to paint it as workplace violence.
Second, once it finally came to the point you just can't deny it any longer - they deflect the true story by attempting to make it about gun control and not terrorism.
The Daily mail today produced a front page showing four Republican senators saying essentially "our prayers are with the victims and families" with large bold letters saying "God can't fix this" (ignoring that one of the first things Obama said is exactly the same thing)
ISIS connected terrorist have now killed innocent people in America, and the left are in denial and trying everything they can to make it about something else.

It's about both issues....they are intertwined.

 

[Tilly]

Pray tell, what are the Conservatives doing? Blocking legislation to prevent gun sales to those on the No Fly List?

What are your suggestions?

Bear in mind, no one I mean NO ONE knew these two in California were radicalized by ISIS. No one, and I mean NO ONE had the first clue that these two had plotted an attack.

Meanwhile, the thoughts should be centered on how on earth can we prevent these acts of violence and mayhem. And our prayers should be prayers for forgiveness if we sit back and continue to do nothing.

So you admit the vetting process doesnt work....
Now we're getting somewhere.

What vetting? He was an American citizen and she was a Pakistani. Neither were refugees.

She was supposedly vetted.
And I dont care where they come from,if they're muslims they shouldnt be let in under the circumstances we find ourselves in.

What about our fellow American citizens who happen to be Muslim? religious restriction on immigrants, what then would be the difference between that policy and the policies of Nazi Germany?

Did someone suggest sending them to gas chambers and ovens?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Now that we have seen video evidence inside the couples apartment of an ungodly amount of IED's and weaponry, with at least the wife known to have recently pledged to ISIS...patterning their bombs from terrorist sponsered material....what are Democrats and leftist doing?

First they went to tragically laughable extremes to avoid calling it terrorism...even up to yesterday still trying to paint it as workplace violence.
Second, once it finally came to the point you just can't deny it any longer - they deflect the true story by attempting to make it about gun control and not terrorism.
The Daily mail today produced a front page showing four Republican senators saying essentially "our prayers are with the victims and families" with large bold letters saying "God can't fix this" (ignoring that one of the first things Obama said is exactly the same thing)
ISIS connected terrorist have now killed innocent people in America, and the left are in denial and trying everything they can to make it about something else.

It's about both issues....they are intertwined.

really? hmm so if we passed gun laws ISIS would cease to exist and it would reduce attacks?
You really believe that?

 

[Dr Grump]

really? hmm so if we passed gun laws ISIS would cease to exist and it would reduce attacks?
You really believe that?

I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm more talking about how easy it was for them to get the guns and ammo etc.

 

[Arianrhod]

I thought that was the Ft. Hood shooter.

Fort Hood shooter was a mental case who was an ISIS wannabe...

Not according to SassyIrishLass. You need to get permission from her to say otherwise.

 

[Nosmo King]

Pray tell, what are the Conservatives doing? Blocking legislation to prevent gun sales to those on the No Fly List?

What are your suggestions?

Bear in mind, no one I mean NO ONE knew these two in California were radicalized by ISIS. No one, and I mean NO ONE had the first clue that these two had plotted an attack.

Meanwhile, the thoughts should be centered on how on earth can we prevent these acts of violence and mayhem. And our prayers should be prayers for forgiveness if we sit back and continue to do nothing.

So you admit the vetting process doesnt work....
Now we're getting somewhere.

What vetting? He was an American citizen and she was a Pakistani. Neither were refugees.

She was supposedly vetted.
And I dont care where they come from,if they're muslims they shouldnt be let in under the circumstances we find ourselves in.

What about our fellow American citizens who happen to be Muslim? religious restriction on immigrants, what then would be the difference between that policy and the policies of Nazi Germany?

Did someone suggest sending them to gas chambers and ovens?

Not yet. But our civic ethics will be eroded by targeting a religious group.

Or do you see Taliban ethics as a paradigm for America?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I thought that was the Ft. Hood shooter.

Fort Hood shooter was a mental case who was an ISIS wannabe...

Not according to SassyIrishLass. You need to get permission from her to say otherwise.

You still butt hurt?

 

[Tilly]

So you admit the vetting process doesnt work....
Now we're getting somewhere.

What vetting? He was an American citizen and she was a Pakistani. Neither were refugees.

She was supposedly vetted.
And I dont care where they come from,if they're muslims they shouldnt be let in under the circumstances we find ourselves in.

What about our fellow American citizens who happen to be Muslim? religious restriction on immigrants, what then would be the difference between that policy and the policies of Nazi Germany?

Did someone suggest sending them to gas chambers and ovens?

Not yet. But our civic ethics will be eroded by targeting a religious group.

Or do you see Taliban ethics as a paradigm for America?

Taliban? Nazis? Stop being silly. Suggesting you stop importing Muslims when you can't seem to tell when they'll get upset and begin butchering you bears no resemblance to nazis or Islamist extremism. if you lefties could stop being so dramatic and excessively emotional, you might be able see the wood for the trees.

 

[Tilly]

So you admit the vetting process doesnt work....
Now we're getting somewhere.

What vetting? He was an American citizen and she was a Pakistani. Neither were refugees.

She was supposedly vetted.
And I dont care where they come from,if they're muslims they shouldnt be let in under the circumstances we find ourselves in.

What about our fellow American citizens who happen to be Muslim? religious restriction on immigrants, what then would be the difference between that policy and the policies of Nazi Germany?

Did someone suggest sending them to gas chambers and ovens?

Not yet. But our civic ethics will be eroded by targeting a religious group.

Extremist Muslims are killing you. Let's go and 'target' some Methodist grannies. That'll work.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Let's not forget that the Leftist Legislators today have publicly declared their intentions to attend a Muslim Mosque to 'Pray with Muslims, so as to show solidarity with Islam'.

That should tell everyone who matters, everything they need to know... to know that the US Federal Government is now a wholly owned subsidiary of the Cult that attacked us on 9-11-01.

It should be noted that I said on 9-11-01, as the dust of the fallen WTC was still covering Manhattan, that it was only a matter of time before the Ideological Left in the US overtly joined Islam... and you may mark this day as the day THAT inevitability came to pass.

 

[jc456]

really? hmm so if we passed gun laws ISIS would cease to exist and it would reduce attacks?
You really believe that?

I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm more talking about how easy it was for them to get the guns and ammo etc.

You have no idea what they did to get that arsenal

 

[jc456]

So you admit the vetting process doesnt work....
Now we're getting somewhere.

What vetting? He was an American citizen and she was a Pakistani. Neither were refugees.

She was supposedly vetted.
And I dont care where they come from,if they're muslims they shouldnt be let in under the circumstances we find ourselves in.

What about our fellow American citizens who happen to be Muslim? religious restriction on immigrants, what then would be the difference between that policy and the policies of Nazi Germany?

Did someone suggest sending them to gas chambers and ovens?

Not yet. But our civic ethics will be eroded by targeting a religious group.

Or do you see Taliban ethics as a paradigm for America?

I'm amazed how you libturds are comfortable letting women lose their rights.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I see you guys are trying to deflect this thread as well...do keep it up

Such is the nature of Evil...

 

[iamwhatiseem]

really? hmm so if we passed gun laws ISIS would cease to exist and it would reduce attacks?
You really believe that?

I'm not talking about that aspect. I'm more talking about how easy it was for them to get the guns and ammo etc.

Just like in France