Flordia Man Murders Door To Door Salesman For Stepping On His Property

[NoNukes]

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain. I am talking about the Republic of Ireland. The laws are different as are many of the people.

 

[Inthemiddle]

When you have to use word like 'likely', you lost your argument. Just sayin'.

Wow, that's amazing. You proudly declare your extremist determination. Someone saying "likely" somehow makes their argument unworthy. The only arguments that are valid are the ones that reflect absolutist and inflexible positions, and unabashedly declare as fact any opinion or speculation on account of nothing more than such speculation being fact would support one's choice of position.

This is why you are on par with bin Laden.

 

[RDD_1210]

He likely is some hard right nutcase that thought the guy was an Obama operative sent from Soro's communist/maxist/socialist army to break into his house to "take hizz gunnnnnnnzzzzzz!!

When you have to use word like 'likely', you lost your argument. Just sayin'.

Why haven't you answered RDD 1210's post on where you have called out fox or other radical right wing outlets on their BS?

I told you she would ignore me and pretend she's above that or too busy or whatever excuse she needs to avoid the fact that she is as hypocritical as they get.

This is what happens when you grow up without a sense of what the real world is like and never had to earn anything. She's the definition of entitled. She proves me right everytime I call her out and that's why she ignores me.

Her response to this, if anything, will reek of "I'm better than you" and will include multiple attempted insults. She's predictable and boring.

 

[J.E.D]

I live in Ireland. The only gun crimes are criminals on criminals. It is so difficult to get a gun permit that the Olympic Shooting team cannot get permits. As far as 'The Troubles', you had better learn geography before you call someone stupid.

He was trespassing, where 3 signs warned him not to.

He got killed, and there's a good chance the man gets off for defending his property.

He may have been trespassing, but that does not give the property owner the right to murder him. If the story is accurate, murder is exactly what took place. There's not even a fair chance that he'll get off on a self-defense defense.

As far as the victim goes, he was somebody's son. He was trying to earn a living. He didn't deserve what happened to him. For you to shrug and and say that he was stupid and got himself killed, is both ignorant and disgusting.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Inthemiddle]

He was trespassing

No.

 

[Againsheila]

I live in Ireland. The only gun crimes are criminals on criminals. It is so difficult to get a gun permit that the Olympic Shooting team cannot get permits. As far as 'The Troubles', you had better learn geography before you call someone stupid.

He was trespassing, where 3 signs warned him not to.

He got killed, and there's a good chance the man gets off for defending his property.

He may have been trespassing, but that does not give the property owner the right to murder him. If the story is accurate, murder is exactly what took place. There's not even a fair chance that he'll get off on a self-defense defense.

As far as the victim goes, he was somebody's son. He was trying to earn a living. He didn't deserve what happened to him. For you to shrug and and say that he was stupid and got himself killed, is both ignorant and disgusting.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I agree. It was murder. I also agree that the guy should have paid attention to the "no trespassing" signs.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I live in Ireland. The only gun crimes are criminals on criminals. It is so difficult to get a gun permit that the Olympic Shooting team cannot get permits. As far as 'The Troubles', you had better learn geography before you call someone stupid.

He was trespassing, where 3 signs warned him not to.

He got killed, and there's a good chance the man gets off for defending his property.

He may have been trespassing, but that does not give the property owner the right to murder him. If the story is accurate, murder is exactly what took place. There's not even a fair chance that he'll get off on a self-defense defense.

As far as the victim goes, he was somebody's son. He was trying to earn a living. He didn't deserve what happened to him. For you to shrug and and say that he was stupid and got himself killed, is both ignorant and disgusting.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Everybody was somebody's son or daughter even the shooter.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I live in Ireland. The only gun crimes are criminals on criminals. It is so difficult to get a gun permit that the Olympic Shooting team cannot get permits. As far as 'The Troubles', you had better learn geography before you call someone stupid.

He was trespassing, where 3 signs warned him not to.

He got killed, and there's a good chance the man gets off for defending his property.

Only non-deadly force may be used when defending private property:

Defense of Property under Florida Law

Like self-defense, non-deadly force is also justified under Florida law when it is used to defend property when the alleged victim attempts a trespass or other type of interference with the defendant's land or personal property. Likewise, the defendant is justified in using non-deadly force to defend property when that property in in his possession, belongs to his family member, or belongs to another person but the defendant has a legal duty to protect the property.

The defendant must have a reasonable believe that his use of non-deadly force is necessary to prevent or terminate the alleged victim's immediate wrongful or criminal behavior.

Non-deadly force under Florida law can include any act of violence such as hitting or striking, but can also include the use of a weapon in a manner not likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

In Florida, deadly force is defined as force that is likely to cause great bodily harm or death. In order for the use of deadly force to be justified under Florida law, the defendant must have reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent great bodily harm or death to himself or another while resisting one of the following:

the alleged victim's attempt to commit a violent crime against him; or
the alleged victim's attempt to kill him; or
the alleged victim's attempt to commit a felony upon or in any home, boat, or vehicle occupied by the defendant.

Florida Non-deadly Force for Self-Defense Attorney

Clearly none of the above conditions existed justifying use of deadly force to prevent the trespass.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Only non-deadly force may be used when defending private property:

Poppy cock. In Florida you can use deadly force to defend against a "forcible felony"

Florida Statutes 776.08 Forcible felony

"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual".

 

[francoHFW]

25 years of Rush etc hate speak and you get nuts like this. And some of the RWers on here.

 

[Darkwind]

"Just another example of the tolerant right."

The most intolerant people on the planet are leftist. In fact, they have been so intolerant that they have killed more people throughout history than any other group.

 

[Black_Label]

When you have to use word like 'likely', you lost your argument. Just sayin'.

Why haven't you answered RDD 1210's post on where you have called out fox or other radical right wing outlets on their BS?

I told you she would ignore me and pretend she's above that or too busy or whatever excuse she needs to avoid the fact that she is as hypocritical as they get.

This is what happens when you grow up without a sense of what the real world is like and never had to earn anything. She's the definition of entitled. She proves me right everytime I call her out and that's why she ignores me.

Her response to this, if anything, will reek of "I'm better than you" and will include multiple attempted insults. She's predictable and boring.

I couldn't agree most. What a disgusting pig California_fatty is, no wonder she's an extreme right nutcase.

 

[francoHFW]

"Just another example of the tolerant right."

The most intolerant people on the planet are leftist. In fact, they have been so intolerant that they have killed more people throughout history than any other group.

Socialists haven't killed anyone. You're doing the ignorant RWer deal and talking about totalitarian communists killing of their own people- Next you'll say Hitler was LW and lose ALL cred. Left wingers want social justice, RWers are megalomaniacs- Genghis, Napoleon, Victoria, Bismarck, Hitler, Tojo, Raygun, Booosh lol, any number of militarists...

 

[Againsheila]

"Just another example of the tolerant right."

The most intolerant people on the planet are leftist. In fact, they have been so intolerant that they have killed more people throughout history than any other group.

Socialists haven't killed anyone. You're doing the ignorant RWer deal and talking about totalitarian communists killing of their own people- Next you'll say Hitler was LW and lose ALL cred. Left wingers want social justice, RWers are megalomaniacs- Genghis, Napoleon, Victoria, Bismarck, Hitler, Tojo, Raygun, Booosh lol, any number of militarists...

amateurs compared to Moe tse tung and Stalin

 

[RDD_1210]

"Just another example of the tolerant right."

The most intolerant people on the planet are leftist. In fact, they have been so intolerant that they have killed more people throughout history than any other group.

False. In fact, Every mass murderer and rapist that has ever lived has been a registered republican or conservative. Look it up.

 

[J.E.D]

He was trespassing, where 3 signs warned him not to.

He got killed, and there's a good chance the man gets off for defending his property.

He may have been trespassing, but that does not give the property owner the right to murder him. If the story is accurate, murder is exactly what took place. There's not even a fair chance that he'll get off on a self-defense defense.

As far as the victim goes, he was somebody's son. He was trying to earn a living. He didn't deserve what happened to him. For you to shrug and and say that he was stupid and got himself killed, is both ignorant and disgusting.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Everybody was somebody's son or daughter even the shooter.

And the shooter is still alive. Your point is?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He may have been trespassing, but that does not give the property owner the right to murder him. If the story is accurate, murder is exactly what took place. There's not even a fair chance that he'll get off on a self-defense defense.

As far as the victim goes, he was somebody's son. He was trying to earn a living. He didn't deserve what happened to him. For you to shrug and and say that he was stupid and got himself killed, is both ignorant and disgusting.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

Everybody was somebody's son or daughter even the shooter.

And the shooter is still alive. Your point is?

My point is this you don't have the facts of what happened

 

[Two Thumbs]

I live in Ireland. The only gun crimes are criminals on criminals. It is so difficult to get a gun permit that the Olympic Shooting team cannot get permits. As far as 'The Troubles', you had better learn geography before you call someone stupid.

He was trespassing, where 3 signs warned him not to.

He got killed, and there's a good chance the man gets off for defending his property.

He may have been trespassing, but that does not give the property owner the right to murder him. If the story is accurate, murder is exactly what took place. There's not even a fair chance that he'll get off on a self-defense defense.

As far as the victim goes, he was somebody's son. He was trying to earn a living. He didn't deserve what happened to him. For you to shrug and and say that he was stupid and got himself killed, is both ignorant and disgusting.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

I thought you had me on ignore?


he had to see the signs, so he ignored the warning, foolishly, and got himself killed.

probably murdered, possibly not.

oh, and in the time it took you to read this, 1000 people were killed.

why aren't you out there doing something about it.

b/c there's little chance that you can assume the killers are republicans/conservatives/ tea party.

so take your fake outrage and shove it in your cockhole

 

[Two Thumbs]

I live in Ireland. The only gun crimes are criminals on criminals. It is so difficult to get a gun permit that the Olympic Shooting team cannot get permits. As far as 'The Troubles', you had better learn geography before you call someone stupid.

He was trespassing, where 3 signs warned him not to.

He got killed, and there's a good chance the man gets off for defending his property.

Only non-deadly force may be used when defending private property:

Defense of Property under Florida Law

Like self-defense, non-deadly force is also justified under Florida law when it is used to defend property when the alleged victim attempts a trespass or other type of interference with the defendant's land or personal property. Likewise, the defendant is justified in using non-deadly force to defend property when that property in in his possession, belongs to his family member, or belongs to another person but the defendant has a legal duty to protect the property.

The defendant must have a reasonable believe that his use of non-deadly force is necessary to prevent or terminate the alleged victim's immediate wrongful or criminal behavior.

Non-deadly force under Florida law can include any act of violence such as hitting or striking, but can also include the use of a weapon in a manner not likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

In Florida, deadly force is defined as force that is likely to cause great bodily harm or death. In order for the use of deadly force to be justified under Florida law, the defendant must have reasonably believed that the force was necessary to prevent imminent great bodily harm or death to himself or another while resisting one of the following:

the alleged victim's attempt to commit a violent crime against him; or
the alleged victim's attempt to kill him; or
the alleged victim's attempt to commit a felony upon or in any home, boat, or vehicle occupied by the defendant.

Florida Non-deadly Force for Self-Defense Attorney

Clearly none of the above conditions existed justifying use of deadly force to prevent the trespass.

the owner certainly thought so, or so he's saying.

 

[candycorn]

25 years of Rush etc hate speak and you get nuts like this. And some of the RWers on here.

I don't agree with a whole lot of what you say but you're right about this. Dead on.