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Our world is not completely good or evil. To proclaim we will never use any form of enhanced interrogations causes our friends to think we are naïve and eases our enemies’ recruitment of radical terrorists to plot attacks on innocent kids, men and women – or any infidel. If I were to catch a “mad bomber” running away from an explosive I would not hesitate a second to use “enhanced interrogation,” including waterboarding, if it would save lives of innocent people.
Waterboarding and other methods of torture have been around long before the CIA was even a thought in the mind of the most paranoid politicianThis was always an argument against torture.
James Foley Was Tortured By ISIS Militants Using CIA Techniques
James Foley was tortured by members of the militant Islamic State group who were modeling some of their techniques on those used by the CIA, the Washington Postreported on Thursday.
Foley was held by ISIS in Syria for nearly two years before his horrific beheading last week. The Post reported that, during that time, he and at least three others were "waterboarded several times."
Waterboarding became perhaps the most notorious method of torture practiced by American interrogators in the years after September 11th.
Interestingly, while the Post has, like most mainstream outlets, typically been reluctant to call methods such as waterboarding "torture" when it was practiced by Americans, the paper had no apparent problem calling what ISIS did to Foley "torture."
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Like Day, Col. Leo Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor for extraordinary heroism during the Vietnam War. He experienced excruciating torture during his captivity — his back broken, his body wrenched apart. He says what the CIA did to al-Qaeda terrorists in its custody was not torture:
“To me, waterboarding is intensive interrogation. It is not torture. Torture involves extreme, brutal pain — breaking bones, passing out from pain, beatings so severe that blood spatters the walls . . . when you pop shoulders out of joints.. . . In my mind, there’s a difference, and in most POWs’ minds there’s a difference.. . . I would not hesitate a second to use ‘enhanced interrogation,’ including waterboarding, if it would save the lives of innocent people.”
Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview. It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:
“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
Interestingly, while the Post has, like most mainstream outlets, typically been reluctant to call methods such as waterboarding "torture" when it was practiced by Americans, the paper had no apparent problem calling what ISIS did to Foley "torture
This may be correct. But focusing in on the waterboarding of James Foley seems mildly disproportionate given that ISIS cut off his head. And ISIS routinely engages in activities far worse for its victims than waterboarding, including systematic rape of women. Nonetheless, the leftist tendency to blame America’s war on terror – rather than its abandonment of Iraq – for the rise of ISIS seems to be growing in volume.
But But But the LIB pussies here have been screaming that waterboarding doesn't work. Right?This was always an argument against torture.
James Foley Was Tortured By ISIS Militants Using CIA Techniques
James Foley was tortured by members of the militant Islamic State group who were modeling some of their techniques on those used by the CIA, the Washington Postreported on Thursday.
Foley was held by ISIS in Syria for nearly two years before his horrific beheading last week. The Post reported that, during that time, he and at least three others were "waterboarded several times."
Waterboarding became perhaps the most notorious method of torture practiced by American interrogators in the years after September 11th.
Interestingly, while the Post has, like most mainstream outlets, typically been reluctant to call methods such as waterboarding "torture" when it was practiced by Americans, the paper had no apparent problem calling what ISIS did to Foley "torture."
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so, you have a method that causes no pemanent harm to the guy you are weatherboarding....you tilt him back, run water down his nose and when you stop, he is physically and mentally unharmed...all he needs to recover is a towel to dry off....a method that all of your elite military personnel used to go through as standard survival training and the only reason it was. Discontinued....it was too successful at getting them to talk....
We are talking the toughest of all military warriors...Green Berets and Navy Seals as well as military aviators...all of them give up the goods...and they are not physically or psychologically impaired after the water boarding....
so, you take three monsters, the men who planned and carried out the murder of three thousand people...remember 9/11? You know, that day in, as Andrew Klavan calls it, "history time" when we were attacked...I know it was a long time ago, a whole 13 years and all...and you dribble water down their nose...and then these toughest of the toughest monsters...men who declared they would die for their cause of killing Americans...start not only talking...but telling everything....they use a towel to dry off...they have a nice dinner...prey to Mecca, and they are completely fine...
and yet...you guys see no moral difference in using the least harmful but most effective technique against 3 monsters to save American lives...whose moral compass is broken...
Again...Ask the three men who suffered at the hands of real torture...the communists in Vietnam...read their stories...guys who really know what torture is...and they say they would weatherboard these guys without a doubt...because it is safe, humane, and gets hardened monsters to tell you how they plan on killing innocent people...
No wonder Putin, the Chinese, and isis are winning...
Not a single Gitmo prisoner has been decapitated or marched into the desert to be executed in their underwear and then posted online. We don't demand ransom with the threat of death. We go out of our way to supply Korans and prayer mats, give health care, and supply food suitable for a diet for Muslim beliefs. Better treatment than many Americans get when they are sent to a State or Federal prison. There is a very stark difference between how we treat prisoners compared to the ruthless treatment prisoners captured by the Islamists receive.The orange that James Foley wore when he was decapitated was a copy of the ones that prisoners at Gitmo wear. All that was a message.
suffocate/drown the victim to death except they are pulled back from actual death and/or the infliction of brain damage just in time. As far as the victim is concerned,
That may not be considered torture by all of you Internet tough guys out there, but to a civilized person, it most certainly is.
Another torture victim who supports waterboarding is Adm. Jeremiah Denton — the POW who famously winked the word “T-O-R-T-U-R-E” in Morse code during a North Vietnamese propaganda interview. It was the first message to the outside world that American prisoners were being tortured. Denton later received the Navy Cross for this courageous and costly act of defiance, for which he paid dearly when his captors figured out what he had done. I asked Denton if he thought waterboarding was torture. He told me:
“No, I think it’s persuasive.. . . The big, monstrous difference here is that the gentlemen we are waterboarding are people who swore to kill Americans. They will wreak any kind of torture just for the hell of it on anybody. When they are captured by the U.S., and we know or have reason to believe that they know of a subsequent event after 9/11, if you don’t interrogate them, more misery will take place.. . . Waterboarding is not an evil. Some of the things they did to us were torture. I passed out a dozen times from torture. We’re not exerting that kind of excruciation.”
If it's "safe and humane," why does it "get hardened monsters to tell you how they plan on killing innocent people"?
This was always an argument against torture.
James Foley Was Tortured By ISIS Militants Using CIA Techniques
James Foley was tortured by members of the militant Islamic State group who were modeling some of their techniques on those used by the CIA, the Washington Postreported on Thursday.
Foley was held by ISIS in Syria for nearly two years before his horrific beheading last week. The Post reported that, during that time, he and at least three others were "waterboarded several times."
Waterboarding became perhaps the most notorious method of torture practiced by American interrogators in the years after September 11th.
Interestingly, while the Post has, like most mainstream outlets, typically been reluctant to call methods such as waterboarding "torture" when it was practiced by Americans, the paper had no apparent problem calling what ISIS did to Foley "torture."
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This was always an argument against torture.
James Foley Was Tortured By ISIS Militants Using CIA Techniques
James Foley was tortured by members of the militant Islamic State group who were modeling some of their techniques on those used by the CIA, the Washington Postreported on Thursday.
Foley was held by ISIS in Syria for nearly two years before his horrific beheading last week. The Post reported that, during that time, he and at least three others were "waterboarded several times."
Waterboarding became perhaps the most notorious method of torture practiced by American interrogators in the years after September 11th.
Interestingly, while the Post has, like most mainstream outlets, typically been reluctant to call methods such as waterboarding "torture" when it was practiced by Americans, the paper had no apparent problem calling what ISIS did to Foley "torture."
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That line that separates civilized human beings from barbarians, intuitively recognized by most of us, has become blurred, even non-existant in the minds of the wingnut horde. If their morality keeps devolving we may soon not be able to distinguish their bloodthirsty ideology and actions from those of the Islamic extremists we all abhor.
Purposely targeting and killing civilians, burning their homes, destroying the infrastructure, destroying their industry, businesses and factories, stealing their livestock and supplies are war crimes and are the actions of "barbarians".That line that separates civilized human beings from barbarians, intuitively recognized by most of us, has become blurred, even non-existant in the minds of the wingnut horde. If their morality keeps devolving we may soon not be able to distinguish their bloodthirsty ideology and actions from those of the Islamic extremists we all abhor.
Except when the union did it to the south...
What nation in the world is the only one to use nuclear weapons?..and who did we purposely target and use them on?
Civilians.
Spare me the "civilized human beings" jargon.
EDIT;
I'm not supporting isis or any muzzies..
I was just pointing out historical facts to counter your attempt to pretend the u.s. has the moral high ground in issues like this.
Good Lord the liberals on this website are consummate pussies. First of all, they use guns just like we use. SOOOOO?
Just because they do something we allegedly do means nothing. The argument fell apart just based on that alone.
Secondly, do you know how many of our military people go through waterboarding for training?
Where do I see you people running around protesting that it stop?
I myself went through a survival school where techniques were used that would make you sissies cry.
Good Lord you liberals are fragile.
Okay, so you're the resident expert on all things military. Is it true that the aim of SERE "Code of Conduct" training is to "prepare US military personnel for possible capture and torture by an enemy that does not follow Geneva conventions guidelines."
AND;
From an internal DOD memo;
"The Clare memo stated, in part:
3. Area of Concern: The JPRA official stance is that the water board should not be used as a physical pressure during Level C SERE training. This position is based on factors that have the potential to affect not only students but also the whole DoD SERE program. The way the water board is most often employed, it leaves students psychologically defeated with no ability to resist under pressure. Once a student is taught that they can be beaten, and there is no way to resist, it is difficult to develop psychological hardiness. None of the other schools use the water board that leaves the San Diego school as a standout.
In an attachment to Colonel Clare’s memo, "Observations and Recommendations," JPRA indicates that the waterboard technique as used in the SERE schools is "inconsistent" with the JPRA philosophy that its training and procedures be "safe, effective" and provides "a positive learning experience."
The water board has always been the most extreme pressure that required intense supervision and oversight because of the inherent risks associated with its employment…. Forcing answers under the extreme duress of the water board does not teach resistance or resilience, but teaches that you can be beaten. When a student’s ability to develop psychological resiliency is compromised… it may create unintended consequences regarding their perception of survivability during a real world SERE event. Based on these concerns and the risks associated with using the water board, we strongly recommend that you discontinue using it[underlined in the original].
Was this Colonel Clare guy one of those pussys you were referring to?
This was always an argument against torture.
James Foley Was Tortured By ISIS Militants Using CIA Techniques
James Foley was tortured by members of the militant Islamic State group who were modeling some of their techniques on those used by the CIA, the Washington Postreported on Thursday.
Foley was held by ISIS in Syria for nearly two years before his horrific beheading last week. The Post reported that, during that time, he and at least three others were "waterboarded several times."
Waterboarding became perhaps the most notorious method of torture practiced by American interrogators in the years after September 11th.
Interestingly, while the Post has, like most mainstream outlets, typically been reluctant to call methods such as waterboarding "torture" when it was practiced by Americans, the paper had no apparent problem calling what ISIS did to Foley "torture."
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