Founding Fathers more like Hamas, or Israel?

[rightwinger]

Neither

Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day

Indeed, and no relation to today's "Progressive" idiots who appropriated the tag.

Today’s liberals are direct descendants

 

[rightwinger]

Neither

Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day

Got to love slave owners and prevent women the right to vote ...

Eh RW?


.

Gays too

Do you have any evidence of there being in early American history more anti-Gay attacks than anti-Catholic attacks, actually?

Are you Gay, BTW?

Not that there is anything wrong with it

 

[rightwinger]

Neither

Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day

Got to love slave owners and prevent women the right to vote ...

Eh RW?


.

Gays too

Gay men who hid their gayness, could vote', so long as they were White land owning males.

See Baron von Steuben

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Neither

Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day

Indeed, and no relation to today's "Progressive" idiots who appropriated the tag.

Today’s liberals are direct descendants

Of Tories, yes.

 

[rightwinger]

Neither

Our founders were the greatest liberals of their day

Indeed, and no relation to today's "Progressive" idiots who appropriated the tag.

Today’s liberals are direct descendants

Of Tories, yes.

Conservatives evolved from the Tories

Liberals used to tar and feather them......we call them the good ole days

 

[fncceo]

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We're gonna need a bigger boat.

 

[miketx]

Definitely Hamas in my opinion.

Hamas being an oppressed vassal of Israel basically, like the U.S.A was an oppressed vassal of the British Empire.

Hamas like the Founding Fathers lacked organization, or sophisication especially in the Military sense compared to Britain, or Israel etc. etc.

Britain tended to look down on the U.S.A, like Israel does on the Hamas. (In both cases the U.S.A, and Hamas are seen as more backwards)

Furthermore both Hamas, and the Founding Fathers because of being without a nation, their attacks upon other polical entities could both be considered as terrorism.

Also note that the U.S.A, and Hamas tend to be more Right-Wing than their counter-part.

So, that's that.

I'd love to hear your opinions?

Poll included.

IMHO pretty bizarro comparison, for one thing Hamas is a terrorist organisation, not sure that Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin etc were literal terrorists.

The Founding Fathers have been compared to terrorists, and Hamas to freedom fighters.

Depending how you look at it.

While there were some terrorists type acts during the Revolution, it was not an orchestrated tactic to win the war
If it was, they would have taken the war to London

Yeah, aircraft carriers!

 

[rightwinger]

Definitely Hamas in my opinion.

Hamas being an oppressed vassal of Israel basically, like the U.S.A was an oppressed vassal of the British Empire.

Hamas like the Founding Fathers lacked organization, or sophisication especially in the Military sense compared to Britain, or Israel etc. etc.

Britain tended to look down on the U.S.A, like Israel does on the Hamas. (In both cases the U.S.A, and Hamas are seen as more backwards)

Furthermore both Hamas, and the Founding Fathers because of being without a nation, their attacks upon other polical entities could both be considered as terrorism.

Also note that the U.S.A, and Hamas tend to be more Right-Wing than their counter-part.

So, that's that.

I'd love to hear your opinions?

Poll included.

IMHO pretty bizarro comparison, for one thing Hamas is a terrorist organisation, not sure that Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin etc were literal terrorists.

The Founding Fathers have been compared to terrorists, and Hamas to freedom fighters.

Depending how you look at it.

While there were some terrorists type acts during the Revolution, it was not an orchestrated tactic to win the war
If it was, they would have taken the war to London

Yeah, aircraft carriers!

Our founders did not believe in aircraft carriers

If they did, they would have put it in the Constitution

 

[danielpalos]

Definitely Hamas in my opinion.

Hamas being an oppressed vassal of Israel basically, like the U.S.A was an oppressed vassal of the British Empire.

Hamas like the Founding Fathers lacked organization, or sophisication especially in the Military sense compared to Britain, or Israel etc. etc.

Britain tended to look down on the U.S.A, like Israel does on the Hamas. (In both cases the U.S.A, and Hamas are seen as more backwards)

Furthermore both Hamas, and the Founding Fathers because of being without a nation, their attacks upon other polical entities could both be considered as terrorism.

Also note that the U.S.A, and Hamas tend to be more Right-Wing than their counter-part.

So, that's that.

I'd love to hear your opinions?

Poll included.

Why do we have so many problems in the Middle East?

 

[whitehall]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos and hatred? Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos. Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

Really? Government of the people, except only 6% of the American population could vote in the first election.

Simply because only White male property owners could vote.

Sound kind of familiar, you know this sexism, and intolerance?

 

[whitehall]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos. Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

Really? Government of the people, except only 6% of the American population could vote in the first election.

Simply because only White male property owners could vote.

Sound kind of familiar, you know this sexism, and intolerance?

How many people vote for the Hamas leader? What's the point here? To see how ignorant foreign left wing anti-semites can be? I'm not going to argue that the FF didn't support slavery and view Black people as sub-human back in the mid 1700's. Every nation did including the Islamic slave traders. The problem is that the United States evolved to be the greatest most tolerant Country in the world while radical Islam is still living in the freaking stone age.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos. Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

Really? Government of the people, except only 6% of the American population could vote in the first election.

Simply because only White male property owners could vote.

Sound kind of familiar, you know this sexism, and intolerance?

How many people vote for the Hamas leader? What's the point here? To see how ignorant foreign left wing anti-semites can be? I'm not going to argue that the FF didn't support slavery and view Black people as sub-human back in the mid 1700's. Every nation did including the Islamic slave traders. The problem is that the United States evolved to be the greatest most tolerant Country in the world while radical Islam is still living in the freaking stone age.

The Founding Fathers were overall anti-Semitic too.

America’s Founding Fathers and Judaism

The Palestinians have had election toos.

Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia

The U.S.A evolved?
Yeah, into a country in perpetual chaotic war against the Founding Fathers military isolationism.

Also note that the Founding Fathers who were White Supremacists wouldn't approve of this tolerance.

 

[whitehall]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos. Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

Really? Government of the people, except only 6% of the American population could vote in the first election.

Simply because only White male property owners could vote.

Sound kind of familiar, you know this sexism, and intolerance?

How many people vote for the Hamas leader? What's the point here? To see how ignorant foreign left wing anti-semites can be? I'm not going to argue that the FF didn't support slavery and view Black people as sub-human back in the mid 1700's. Every nation did including the Islamic slave traders. The problem is that the United States evolved to be the greatest most tolerant Country in the world while radical Islam is still living in the freaking stone age.

The Founding Fathers were overall anti-Semitic too.

America’s Founding Fathers and Judaism

The Palestinians have had election toos.

Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia

The U.S.A evolved?
Yeah, into a country in perpetual chaotic war against the Founding Fathers military isolationism.

Also note that the Founding Fathers who were White Supremacists wouldn't approve of this tolerance.

The first Amendment in the greatest document ever created, the U.S. Constitution guaranteed freedom of religion in the 1700's while radical islam was (still is?) stoning Christians and Jews to death.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos. Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

Really? Government of the people, except only 6% of the American population could vote in the first election.

Simply because only White male property owners could vote.

Sound kind of familiar, you know this sexism, and intolerance?

How many people vote for the Hamas leader? What's the point here? To see how ignorant foreign left wing anti-semites can be? I'm not going to argue that the FF didn't support slavery and view Black people as sub-human back in the mid 1700's. Every nation did including the Islamic slave traders. The problem is that the United States evolved to be the greatest most tolerant Country in the world while radical Islam is still living in the freaking stone age.

The Founding Fathers were overall anti-Semitic too.

America’s Founding Fathers and Judaism

The Palestinians have had election toos.

Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia

The U.S.A evolved?
Yeah, into a country in perpetual chaotic war against the Founding Fathers military isolationism.

Also note that the Founding Fathers who were White Supremacists wouldn't approve of this tolerance.

The first Amendment in the greatest document ever created, the U.S. Constitution guaranteed freedom of religion in the 1700's while radical islam was (still is?) stoning Christians and Jews to death.

Hate to break if to you, but Poland was for freedom of religion, and tolerance of it's minorities more so, and earlier than the U.S.A.

No, the Founding Fathers just owned Black slaves, how is that any better than radical Islam, exactly?

 

[Hossfly]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos. Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

Really? Government of the people, except only 6% of the American population could vote in the first election.

Simply because only White male property owners could vote.

Sound kind of familiar, you know this sexism, and intolerance?

How many people vote for the Hamas leader? What's the point here? To see how ignorant foreign left wing anti-semites can be? I'm not going to argue that the FF didn't support slavery and view Black people as sub-human back in the mid 1700's. Every nation did including the Islamic slave traders. The problem is that the United States evolved to be the greatest most tolerant Country in the world while radical Islam is still living in the freaking stone age.

The Founding Fathers were overall anti-Semitic too.

America’s Founding Fathers and Judaism

The Palestinians have had election toos.

Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia

The U.S.A evolved?
Yeah, into a country in perpetual chaotic war against the Founding Fathers military isolationism.

Also note that the Founding Fathers who were White Supremacists wouldn't approve of this tolerance.

Also the Founders particularly hated Haym Saloman.

 

[whitehall]

The U.S. Founding Fathers established the most important step in civilized history barely 250 years ago , government of the people. Hamas has been around for a thousand years and what have they created besides murder and chaos. Their people are still subjugating women and murdering Christians and living in refugee camps and you dare compare the Hamas mob to the Founding Fathers? Surely you must be joking.

Really? Government of the people, except only 6% of the American population could vote in the first election.

Simply because only White male property owners could vote.

Sound kind of familiar, you know this sexism, and intolerance?

How many people vote for the Hamas leader? What's the point here? To see how ignorant foreign left wing anti-semites can be? I'm not going to argue that the FF didn't support slavery and view Black people as sub-human back in the mid 1700's. Every nation did including the Islamic slave traders. The problem is that the United States evolved to be the greatest most tolerant Country in the world while radical Islam is still living in the freaking stone age.

The Founding Fathers were overall anti-Semitic too.

America’s Founding Fathers and Judaism

The Palestinians have had election toos.

Palestinian legislative election, 2006 - Wikipedia

The U.S.A evolved?
Yeah, into a country in perpetual chaotic war against the Founding Fathers military isolationism.

Also note that the Founding Fathers who were White Supremacists wouldn't approve of this tolerance.

The first Amendment in the greatest document ever created, the U.S. Constitution guaranteed freedom of religion in the 1700's while radical islam was (still is?) stoning Christians and Jews to death.

Hate to break if to you, but Poland was for freedom of religion, and tolerance of it's minorities more so, and earlier than the U.S.A.

No, the Founding Fathers just owned Black slaves, how is that any better than radical Islam, exactly?

Poland? You can't claim that a country "was for" religious tolerance without documentation.

 

[danielpalos]

What if, Both Judea and Israel are established?

 

[danielpalos]

Judea may not have the same restrictions, Israel has.

 

[danielpalos]

Ten simple Commandments from a God is all it should require.