Lonestar_logic
Republic of Texas
- May 13, 2009
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No one has suggested not honoring due process. In this story there was no violations of due process, so why even bring it up? This story is typical of left wing hysteria when it comes to anyone exercising their second amendment rights. They are the ones that over-reacted. In an open carry state such as where I live (Texas), it is not my fault that my right to openly carry a long gun upsets people. That is their problem to deal with.
The right way to solve this problem is for those on the left to respect the rights or everyone, not just those they agree with.
I'm glad we agree on due process.
If anyone "jumped the gun" and assumed someone was guilty, then it is bypassing due process to act in a punitive way and deprive someone of their rights.
So if this is how you see the situation, I agree it is wrongful to bypass due process and start depriving people of liberty based on assumption of guilt.
However, my point remains it is equally wrong to "jump the gun" and assume this or that about the people if we weren't there.
If we start doing that, start presuming guilt and saying things like "it is not necessary to be there" to know which people were guilty of violating rights of others"
that, Lonestar, is equally wrong as the people we accuse of making presumptions of guilt.
So that is why it is not just "their problem" but becomes "our problem," when we jump in doing the same thing, and start making assumptions about guilt as the people we criticize.
Lonestar, at this point, even if the gun owners in the situation were right,
the act of accusing others (as well as anyone else associated) is just as problematic.
Can you and I agree that is the SAME mistake the people make who assume the worst about gun owners and gun rights activists?
What if they said "I don't need to be there to know" and assumed you were in the wrong.
Wouldn't you stop them right there before they made assumptions about you?
I disagree with your "if we weren't there" comment.
Do you have to be present to look at the facts presented and draw a conclusion?
Were you there when the Berlin Wall came down or when man walked on the moon? Do you discount the events as told by the people that were there because you wasn't there?
The fact is, no laws were broken, no one went to jail or was given a citation. It was an overreaction by ignorant people concerning our gun laws. The men never even entered the restaurant according to the news article.