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I don't think anyone knows the real costs of healthcare. Get a surgery and they will tell you it was $50K, but with insurance price in $25K. Then insurance covers $20K so you get a $5K bill. Usually it seems like the $5K could have covered it all....The issue is the real costs of medicine. I had a hernia operation several years ago in which I negotiated because of affordability. I am not doing so well now.You would have the same problem without ACA. Sounds like you want Medicare for all.Sounds like Obamacare...
Unlike many European countries, Switzerland has left a large portion of the health sector in private hands—there is no single payer insurance scheme. Nevertheless, there is a mandate that residents purchase basic coverage. The terms of this coverage are set by law; it includes most common ailments (including diabetes), and coverage is inexpensive for children. Basic coverage includes pre-existing conditions, most inpatient and outpatient treatment, as well as hospitalization in the general ward of a public hospital in one’s canton (the Swiss equivalent of a U.S. state) of residence.
The Swiss Also Have a Private Health Care System. But Theirs Works.
That is precisely how the ACA was sold.
But here's the problem.....
dimocraps are lying scum sucking FILTH.
I really was applauding obama and dims for trying to get across what initially sounded like the Swiss system but on a Federal Level.
But (again) dimocraps are lying scum-sucking, diseased pieces of shit.
They lied.
Because -- dimocraps are lying scum-sucking FILTH
And yes, it affects me PERSONALLY. Very much so.
It is reason #4 why I despise and detest dimocrap SCUM.
They had a chance to do something really good for the American People. Something that would have guaranteed a place in history for them. Forever.
But, they couldn't resist being what they are --
LYING SCUM-SUCKING FILTH.
What about the ACA do you dislike compared to the swiss system?
Under the Swiss system, if a person can't afford Health Insurance, the government buys it for them. 100%
Under the Lying Cocksucker's system, if you can't afford it you have to go on Medicaid, aka Welfare. A State program.
Now, here's the kicker.
Many people retire before they reach the age of MediCARE eligibility, which is 65.
If you do retire and you don't have an Income (living off your savings) you can't get obamacare because you MUST earn at least (last I looked) $11,000 a year.
If you don't earn that much, you CAN NOT GET THE ACA. You have to go on your State's Medicaid. It's called the Coverage Gap Medicaid coverage gap - Wikipedia
Many States opted out of the Lying Cocksucker's Medicaid Expansion because -- Well, dimocraps are lying scum.
So that leaves around 3 million people unable to get on the ACA but can't get much in the way of private insurance.
Like my wife.
She's 63, retired, and makes zero money. She can't get on Medicaid in Florida because FL, intelligently, opted out of the Lying Cocksucker's idiotic plan.
She also can't get on Medicaid because we own a house and I have an income from my 401k.
But she doesn't. Yeah, it's that fucked up.
Also, because my wife needs the ACA (which she's on) we can't take much money out of our 401k.
The ACA is means tested. The more money you make, the more money you pay to the Lying Cocksucker's plan.
I can barely touch my retirement because, if I take out much more (it counts as income), my wife's premium goes from $350 a Month to as high as $1,800 a Month.
The Swiss System isn't Means Tested.
But that is hardly the only reason I despise dimocrap scum with every fiber of my being. There are many other reason that are more important.
Besides, I've never met a government program I couldn't outsmart. So, I am.
dimocraps are scum
Does the OP know Fox gave Bernie and his team a LOT of tickets that they used to PACK the place with Bernie Supporters....?It seems that even fox news audiences cheer medicare for all. I guess even fox news audience has gotten fed up with the insurance companies and employer provided insurance.
When a government wants to make it legal for an insurance company to take your money for decades then kick you off the policy when you actually use it, then rating you as preexisting condition thus preventing you from ever having insurance again without giving people an alternative, people tend to get ticked off and want the whole mess to stop.
Even a fox news audience.
Bernie Sanders gets support for 'Medicare for All' proposal from Fox News audience
I don't think anyone knows the real costs of healthcare. Get a surgery and they will tell you it was $50K, but with insurance price in $25K. Then insurance covers $20K so you get a $5K bill. Usually it seems like the $5K could have covered it all....The issue is the real costs of medicine. I had a hernia operation several years ago in which I negotiated because of affordability. I am not doing so well now.You would have the same problem without ACA. Sounds like you want Medicare for all.That is precisely how the ACA was sold.
But here's the problem.....
dimocraps are lying scum sucking FILTH.
I really was applauding obama and dims for trying to get across what initially sounded like the Swiss system but on a Federal Level.
But (again) dimocraps are lying scum-sucking, diseased pieces of shit.
They lied.
Because -- dimocraps are lying scum-sucking FILTH
And yes, it affects me PERSONALLY. Very much so.
It is reason #4 why I despise and detest dimocrap SCUM.
They had a chance to do something really good for the American People. Something that would have guaranteed a place in history for them. Forever.
But, they couldn't resist being what they are --
LYING SCUM-SUCKING FILTH.
What about the ACA do you dislike compared to the swiss system?
Under the Swiss system, if a person can't afford Health Insurance, the government buys it for them. 100%
Under the Lying Cocksucker's system, if you can't afford it you have to go on Medicaid, aka Welfare. A State program.
Now, here's the kicker.
Many people retire before they reach the age of MediCARE eligibility, which is 65.
If you do retire and you don't have an Income (living off your savings) you can't get obamacare because you MUST earn at least (last I looked) $11,000 a year.
If you don't earn that much, you CAN NOT GET THE ACA. You have to go on your State's Medicaid. It's called the Coverage Gap Medicaid coverage gap - Wikipedia
Many States opted out of the Lying Cocksucker's Medicaid Expansion because -- Well, dimocraps are lying scum.
So that leaves around 3 million people unable to get on the ACA but can't get much in the way of private insurance.
Like my wife.
She's 63, retired, and makes zero money. She can't get on Medicaid in Florida because FL, intelligently, opted out of the Lying Cocksucker's idiotic plan.
She also can't get on Medicaid because we own a house and I have an income from my 401k.
But she doesn't. Yeah, it's that fucked up.
Also, because my wife needs the ACA (which she's on) we can't take much money out of our 401k.
The ACA is means tested. The more money you make, the more money you pay to the Lying Cocksucker's plan.
I can barely touch my retirement because, if I take out much more (it counts as income), my wife's premium goes from $350 a Month to as high as $1,800 a Month.
The Swiss System isn't Means Tested.
But that is hardly the only reason I despise dimocrap scum with every fiber of my being. There are many other reason that are more important.
Besides, I've never met a government program I couldn't outsmart. So, I am.
dimocraps are scum
And you know this how? Were you there or did Hannity rant this in between his evening Trump ass kissing panties twisted hissy fit?You DOPE!It seems that even fox news audiences cheer medicare for all. I guess even fox news audience has gotten fed up with the insurance companies and employer provided insurance.
When a government wants to make it legal for an insurance company to take your money for decades then kick you off the policy when you actually use it, then rating you as preexisting condition thus preventing you from ever having insurance again without giving people an alternative, people tend to get ticked off and want the whole mess to stop.
Even a fox news audience.
Bernie Sanders gets support for 'Medicare for All' proposal from Fox News audience
The "audience" was made up of 100% Bernie supporters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They were fucking BUSED IN!
Almost everyone of them was carrying a 'Bernie sign' that was taken away from them as they went through the metal detector!
They were told if they would sign the sign they were carrying they could reclaim it as they left.
Fucking WISE UP to the real world!
The guy was just on Fox news and he has no backbone? I've also seen him win a debate with Ted Cruz. I think you are confused...Bernie Sanders isn't a real candidate. He runs for attention and to sell books. The guy has absolutely no back bone. I have a hard time believing people still believe in this guy after he folded like he did against Clinton. I am sure he will fold again once he is challenged by the other Dem candidates.
What you idiots said when obutholes plan was forced on us. Good thing it failed.It seems that even fox news audiences cheer medicare for all. I guess even fox news audience has gotten fed up with the insurance companies and employer provided insurance.
When a government wants to make it legal for an insurance company to take your money for decades then kick you off the policy when you actually use it, then rating you as preexisting condition thus preventing you from ever having insurance again without giving people an alternative, people tend to get ticked off and want the whole mess to stop.
Even a fox news audience.
Bernie Sanders gets support for 'Medicare for All' proposal from Fox News audience
When Trump puts forth his UHC plan, all of his sheep will tell us what an amazing plan it is and that government ran healthcare is the best idea ever.
When you look at it that way youryo correct.What you idiots said when obutholes plan was forced on us. Good thing it failed.It seems that even fox news audiences cheer medicare for all. I guess even fox news audience has gotten fed up with the insurance companies and employer provided insurance.
When a government wants to make it legal for an insurance company to take your money for decades then kick you off the policy when you actually use it, then rating you as preexisting condition thus preventing you from ever having insurance again without giving people an alternative, people tend to get ticked off and want the whole mess to stop.
Even a fox news audience.
Bernie Sanders gets support for 'Medicare for All' proposal from Fox News audience
When Trump puts forth his UHC plan, all of his sheep will tell us what an amazing plan it is and that government ran healthcare is the best idea ever.
not me you fucking moron, i have always been and still am against the ACA or any government take over of our healthcare
and you are wrong that it failed, the purpose of the ACA was to fuck up the system so badly that only UHC could fix it
Because employers are paying less and less..."I WANT TO GIVE YOU FREE STUFF"
Applause
"the free stuff will increase your taxes by at least 50%!"
.......
.....And increase your paycheck because you don't have to pay out hundreds and hundreds out of each paycheck to a private insurance company.
My total medical is under $100 or so per paycheck tax free, and I get the option to add to an HSA tax free.
Take that away, increase my taxes, and return that income to my taxable income and I come out a loser under any single payer system, because I earn more than $100k a year.
Then your employer is greatly subsidizing the cost of your healthcare coverage. Lucky you.
And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
It’s true. Because fewer jobs offer good insurance we have this problem. If business gave good insurance there would be no demand for change. You seem to be in a minority.Because employers are paying less and less...My total medical is under $100 or so per paycheck tax free, and I get the option to add to an HSA tax free.
Take that away, increase my taxes, and return that income to my taxable income and I come out a loser under any single payer system, because I earn more than $100k a year.
Then your employer is greatly subsidizing the cost of your healthcare coverage. Lucky you.
And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
Non answer.
try again.
Why should I be forced to give up a health care model that works for me, to pay more for less?
My total medical is under $100 or so per paycheck tax free, and I get the option to add to an HSA tax free.
Take that away, increase my taxes, and return that income to my taxable income and I come out a loser under any single payer system, because I earn more than $100k a year.
Then your employer is greatly subsidizing the cost of your healthcare coverage. Lucky you.
And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
Then your employer passes that back to you or they increase their profits. That's on your company though. The point is, taxes go up to pay for Medicare for All but health insurance premiums are wiped out, largely negating and possibly even exceeding any tax hikes.
Wishful thinking. The net tax increase on me will be severe, and I will get the same lump treatment options that people who pay nothing into the system get.
of course the real rich will still get what they want.
I get fucked, and you get to pretend you care about people without spending any of your own money.
How fucking generous of you.
Not spending any of my own money? It's my taxes too that are going up but I also know how much private insurance costs and that's a HUGE expense.
How do you know the "net increase will be severe"?
Because employers are paying less and less...My total medical is under $100 or so per paycheck tax free, and I get the option to add to an HSA tax free.
Take that away, increase my taxes, and return that income to my taxable income and I come out a loser under any single payer system, because I earn more than $100k a year.
Then your employer is greatly subsidizing the cost of your healthcare coverage. Lucky you.
And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
Non answer.
try again.
Why should I be forced to give up a health care model that works for me, to pay more for less?
Because it doesn't work for the country as a whole.
Then your employer is greatly subsidizing the cost of your healthcare coverage. Lucky you.
And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
Then your employer passes that back to you or they increase their profits. That's on your company though. The point is, taxes go up to pay for Medicare for All but health insurance premiums are wiped out, largely negating and possibly even exceeding any tax hikes.
Wishful thinking. The net tax increase on me will be severe, and I will get the same lump treatment options that people who pay nothing into the system get.
of course the real rich will still get what they want.
I get fucked, and you get to pretend you care about people without spending any of your own money.
How fucking generous of you.
Not spending any of my own money? It's my taxes too that are going up but I also know how much private insurance costs and that's a HUGE expense.
How do you know the "net increase will be severe"?
Because to pay for the people who can't or won't pay for it, I have to subsidize them.
Because employers are paying less and less...Then your employer is greatly subsidizing the cost of your healthcare coverage. Lucky you.
And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
Non answer.
try again.
Why should I be forced to give up a health care model that works for me, to pay more for less?
Because it doesn't work for the country as a whole.
So "fuck me" to help people who don't care enough to get ahead and help themselves?
"FOX NEWS!!!!"
The left love to hate on the network but can't stop talking about them. Funny how that works eh...
Because employers are paying less and less...And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
Non answer.
try again.
Why should I be forced to give up a health care model that works for me, to pay more for less?
Because it doesn't work for the country as a whole.
So "fuck me" to help people who don't care enough to get ahead and help themselves?
I hate to burst your bubble, but....
1 - The world doesn't revolve around you. Shockingly enough.
2 - Many people who can't afford health coverage are not deadbeats. Despite what your masters tell you.
And what happens when I lose that subsidy?
Oh, right I have to cover my costs via taxes.
I worked hard to get a job that values me enough to cover my medical costs the way they do. But I guess everyone else gets to ride for free on my chain because progs like you want to control them by paying for their shit.
Then your employer passes that back to you or they increase their profits. That's on your company though. The point is, taxes go up to pay for Medicare for All but health insurance premiums are wiped out, largely negating and possibly even exceeding any tax hikes.
Wishful thinking. The net tax increase on me will be severe, and I will get the same lump treatment options that people who pay nothing into the system get.
of course the real rich will still get what they want.
I get fucked, and you get to pretend you care about people without spending any of your own money.
How fucking generous of you.
Not spending any of my own money? It's my taxes too that are going up but I also know how much private insurance costs and that's a HUGE expense.
How do you know the "net increase will be severe"?
Because to pay for the people who can't or won't pay for it, I have to subsidize them.
You're already doing that now. Your private insurance premiums are higher because people without insurance still go to the hospital and receive care.
Because employers are paying less and less...
Non answer.
try again.
Why should I be forced to give up a health care model that works for me, to pay more for less?
Because it doesn't work for the country as a whole.
So "fuck me" to help people who don't care enough to get ahead and help themselves?
I hate to burst your bubble, but....
1 - The world doesn't revolve around you. Shockingly enough.
2 - Many people who can't afford health coverage are not deadbeats. Despite what your masters tell you.
And yet you want my $$ to pay for shit you think is important.
May who can't made poor life decisions, I didn't.
So we want to subsidize bad behavior even more so than we do now?
Then your employer passes that back to you or they increase their profits. That's on your company though. The point is, taxes go up to pay for Medicare for All but health insurance premiums are wiped out, largely negating and possibly even exceeding any tax hikes.
Wishful thinking. The net tax increase on me will be severe, and I will get the same lump treatment options that people who pay nothing into the system get.
of course the real rich will still get what they want.
I get fucked, and you get to pretend you care about people without spending any of your own money.
How fucking generous of you.
Not spending any of my own money? It's my taxes too that are going up but I also know how much private insurance costs and that's a HUGE expense.
How do you know the "net increase will be severe"?
Because to pay for the people who can't or won't pay for it, I have to subsidize them.
You're already doing that now. Your private insurance premiums are higher because people without insurance still go to the hospital and receive care.
We could limit that by tossing out the illegals in this country.
Cost problem solved, at least partially.
