France - Mother and Daughters Stabbed

[Divine Wind]

The world used to be a much more hands on brutal place. Many many people placed little value on human life relative to your average person today. These people weren't all - or even largely - mentally ill - but they were brutal and a product of their time, beliefs, culture and what was viewed as acceptable or no biggie at the time. Islam remains is stuck in such a past, IMHO. If you want to believe shahids are mentally ill - go ahead - but you are just imposing your Western notions onto this issue, IMHO. And now, you are going to have to discard a huge component of Japanese culture so you can label all those who have 'honourably' fallen on their swords throughout history and the kamikazis.

True. Nonetheless, brutal human beings aren't the norm. It takes a ruthless human being to dominate others and less ruthless ones to submit. This was true even in the Wild West or Medieval Europe.

Even in the ME now, Daesh is estimated to be no larger than 200,000, with most of those support personnel or conscripts who will run if given a chance. Actual fighters would be less than 20,000. Yet the numbers of Syrian and Iraqi refugees number up to 6 million. Why the difference? Because most people aren't murderous assholes. It takes a very special personality to murder fellow human beings.

How Many Fighters Does the Islamic State Really Have? - War on the Rocks

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[irosie91]

The world used to be a much more hands on brutal place. Many many people placed little value on human life relative to your average person today. These people weren't all - or even largely - mentally ill - but they were brutal and a product of their time, beliefs, culture and what was viewed as acceptable or no biggie at the time. Islam remains is stuck in such a past, IMHO. If you want to believe shahids are mentally ill - go ahead - but you are just imposing your Western notions onto this issue, IMHO. And now, you are going to have to discard a huge component of Japanese culture so you can label all those who have 'honourably' fallen on their swords throughout history and the kamikazis.

True. Nonetheless, brutal human beings aren't the norm. It takes a ruthless human being to dominate others and less ruthless ones to submit. This was true even in the Wild West or Medieval Europe.

Even in the ME now, Daesh is estimated to be no larger than 200,000, with most of those support personnel or conscripts who will run if given a chance. Actual fighters would be less than 20,000. Yet the numbers of Syrian and Iraqi refugees number up to 6 million. Why the difference? Because most people aren't murderous assholes. It takes a very special personality to murder fellow human beings.

How Many Fighters Does the Islamic State Really Have? - War on the Rocks

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe that the stats are misleading----right now ISIS is a group of Irregulars who can certainly not expect a REAL
career out of joining up-----but if the group gains power and
FUNDING-----there is no doubt in my mind that there are MILLIONS of sunni muslims around the world who would be delighted to join up. Muhummad started out with a small band of caravan thieves

 

[Tilly]

The world used to be a much more hands on brutal place. Many many people placed little value on human life relative to your average person today. These people weren't all - or even largely - mentally ill - but they were brutal and a product of their time, beliefs, culture and what was viewed as acceptable or no biggie at the time. Islam remains is stuck in such a past, IMHO. If you want to believe shahids are mentally ill - go ahead - but you are just imposing your Western notions onto this issue, IMHO. And now, you are going to have to discard a huge component of Japanese culture so you can label all those who have 'honourably' fallen on their swords throughout history and the kamikazis.

True. Nonetheless, brutal human beings aren't the norm. It takes a ruthless human being to dominate others and less ruthless ones to submit. This was true even in the Wild West or Medieval Europe.

Even in the ME now, Daesh is estimated to be no larger than 200,000, with most of those support personnel or conscripts who will run if given a chance. Actual fighters would be less than 20,000. Yet the numbers of Syrian and Iraqi refugees number up to 6 million. Why the difference? Because most people aren't murderous assholes. It takes a very special personality to murder fellow human beings.

How Many Fighters Does the Islamic State Really Have? - War on the Rocks

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most people are capable of behaving brutally if the circumstances demand, that's why most 'normal' Parisians were able to attack and brutally murder Huguenots en masse, same for the French Revolution.

History is littered with masses of 'normal' people doing horrific things en masse because it seemed justifiable to them at the time.

There was an experiment some time last century? Maybe the 60s where the effect and limits of authority on 'normal' people was examined. You are probably aware of this. 'Normal' people electrocuted other people when asked to by white coated researchers/Dr's ie the authority figures - of course the subjects did not know they weren't really delivering electric shocks. There are other such experiments with fake prisoners.

None of the subjects were classified as mentally ill.

 

[Divine Wind]

Most people are capable of behaving brutally if the circumstances demand, that's why most 'normal' Parisians were able to attack and brutally murder Huguenots en masse, same for the French Revolution.

History is littered with masses of 'normal' people doing horrific things en masse because it seemed justifiable to them at the time.

There was an experiment some time last century? Maybe the 60s where the effect and limits of authority on 'normal' people was examined. You are probably aware of this. 'Normal' people electrocuted other people when asked to by white coated researchers/Dr's ie the authority figures - of course the subjects did not know they weren't really delivering electric shocks. There are other such experiments with fake prisoners.

None of the subjects were classified as mentally ill.

Such as self-defense? Yes. Fight or flight.

The French Revolution is a special circumstance. Being starved and brutalized then seeing the government collapse led to anarchy. In anarchy, only the most brutal will run the show.

That was Stanley Milgram's Obedience to Authority experiments. A watershed experiment. Another one was the Stanford Prison Experiment.


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[Tilly]

Most people are capable of behaving brutally if the circumstances demand, that's why most 'normal' Parisians were able to attack and brutally murder Huguenots en masse, same for the French Revolution.

History is littered with masses of 'normal' people doing horrific things en masse because it seemed justifiable to them at the time.

There was an experiment some time last century? Maybe the 60s where the effect and limits of authority on 'normal' people was examined. You are probably aware of this. 'Normal' people electrocuted other people when asked to by white coated researchers/Dr's ie the authority figures - of course the subjects did not know they weren't really delivering electric shocks. There are other such experiments with fake prisoners.

None of the subjects were classified as mentally ill.

Such as self-defense? Yes. Fight or flight.

The French Revolution is a special circumstance. Being starved and brutalized then seeing the government collapse led to anarchy. In anarchy, only the most brutal will run the show.

That was Stanley Milgram's Obedience to Authority experiments. A watershed experiment. Another one was the Stanford Prison Experiment.


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And shahids believe they are acting in self defence against the oppressive Muslim-murdering West. They even tell you this, and that they are honoured for martyring themselves in that fight. Martyrdom is one of their weapons. Their belief in and use of this tactic does not make them mentally ill. It certainly does not make them any more mentally ill than a kamikazi pilot.
Seems to me kamikazi pilots were viewed as determined and committed, not mental.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

You can keep your daydreams. Not going to happen.

It's already happened to them 2 or 3 times in the past.

And you know what they say about history repeating itself. .......

So the Jews were the only people in history that got invaded by other people in the last 3000 years? Wow, that's a newsflash.

You should stick to the koran, banging your head on the rug and sticking your ass out on all fours five times a day, and leave the more intelligent stuff to others.

You know, I think I just realized why muslims hate homosexuals so much.
Might have to do with them getting down on all fours and sticking their asses up during prayer. I can imagine that the sight of that could cause a gay man to go into a breeding frenzy.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Why didn't the mother just dress herself and the children properly if she knew it offended the man? ......

why didnt he just take his family back to animal land where he belongs if humans offend him so much.

And maybe take Sunni with him too. I'm sure Sunni will feel right at home and among his peers in any of the many Islamic shitholes of barbarism and intolerance. Living in Raqqa the capital of ISIS would be his dream.

I kinda like Sunni, I doubt he would try to kill a family because they offended his fashion sense.
He seems to fit into society here, God bless his little towel wrapped heart

Maybe you dont know him well enough, or maybe you are delusional. Here are some of the things Sunni believes in and has said:

- support and cheerleading for ISIS
- belief that Muslim men in the US should be allowed to marry four wives
- holocaust denial
- the dismantling of the US constitution and submission of Americans to barbaric Shariah law
- the belief that all Jews should be shipped to an Island and kept awY from all people

The above are all true and verifiable and merely the tip of the iceberg with him. Even here in this ho thread he has exposed himself even more.

Although, he does a good job cracking jokes and exhibiting a few so called "conservative" views to fool gullible people like yourself.

as long as he was frisked for body bombs first, I would have no issue playing a game of pool or something with him. Breakfast at Dennys is out of the question since I always go for the grand slam with double bacon.

 

[Roudy]

Too bad Hitler wasn't able to implement the Madagascar Plan.

It would have saved the world a lot of grief, and solved the Jewish problem. .....

Madagascar Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wow, three Islamist Nazi jerkoff fantasies in one thread. This must be a record.

Be careful, this is what happens to Muslims like you who keep jerking off to solving the Jewish problem...

 

[Roudy]

If what he proposes was actually attempted to be put into action, the Arab population of the world would drop precipitously. Some immediately, others as the radiation sickness and bioweapons finished them off.

You keep mentioning arabs.......I never said anything about arabs.

The jews are despised by many non-arabic and non-muslim people. .......

Achmed, you are being delusional again. Europe and the US are far more concerned with Islamic savages like you than the Joooos.

 

[Roudy]

You can keep your daydreams. Not going to happen.

It's already happened to them 2 or 3 times in the past.

And you know what they say about history repeating itself. .......

So the Jews were the only people in history that got invaded by other people in the last 3000 years? Wow, that's a newsflash.

You should stick to the koran, banging your head on the rug and sticking your ass out on all fours five times a day, and leave the more intelligent stuff to others.

You know, I think I just realized why muslims hate homosexuals so much.
Might have to do with them getting down on all fours and sticking their asses up during prayer. I can imagine that the sight of that could cause a gay man to go into a breeding frenzy.

Now you know why they go to Mecca, millions of donkeys like Sunni smelling each other's bent over smelly asses in unison. They get high from the smell, then grab a knife and start stabbing a mother and her two kids while squealing "Allahuakbar".

 

[ChrisL]

The world used to be a much more hands on brutal place. Many many people placed little value on human life relative to your average person today. These people weren't all - or even largely - mentally ill - but they were brutal and a product of their time, beliefs, culture and what was viewed as acceptable or no biggie at the time. Islam remains is stuck in such a past, IMHO. If you want to believe shahids are mentally ill - go ahead - but you are just imposing your Western notions onto this issue, IMHO. And now, you are going to have to discard a huge component of Japanese culture so you can label all those who have 'honourably' fallen on their swords throughout history and the kamikazis.

True. Nonetheless, brutal human beings aren't the norm. It takes a ruthless human being to dominate others and less ruthless ones to submit. This was true even in the Wild West or Medieval Europe.

Even in the ME now, Daesh is estimated to be no larger than 200,000, with most of those support personnel or conscripts who will run if given a chance. Actual fighters would be less than 20,000. Yet the numbers of Syrian and Iraqi refugees number up to 6 million. Why the difference? Because most people aren't murderous assholes. It takes a very special personality to murder fellow human beings.

How Many Fighters Does the Islamic State Really Have? - War on the Rocks

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not when they believe they are fighting a war, good against evil.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Why didn't the mother just dress herself and the children properly if she knew it offended the man? ......

why didnt he just take his family back to animal land where he belongs if humans offend him so much.

And maybe take Sunni with him too. I'm sure Sunni will feel right at home and among his peers in any of the many Islamic shitholes of barbarism and intolerance. Living in Raqqa the capital of ISIS would be his dream.

They would toss his faggoty ass off the tallest building.

 

[L.K.Eder]

"Il a confirmé qu’il n’y avait pas de rapport avec la religion"

"he confirmed that there was no connection with religion. he knew that if he went into a resort, he would see people dressed little"

 

[Divine Wind]

Not when they believe they are fighting a war, good against evil.

Religion has often been used as a rally point for violence. The Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, IRA, back-shooting anti-abortionists, etc. Those endeavors attract a particular personality type.

 

[ChrisL]

Not when they believe they are fighting a war, good against evil.

Religion has often been used as a rally point for violence. The Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, IRA, back-shooting anti-abortionists, etc. Those endeavors attract a particular personality type.

I'm sorry but I agree with Tilly. All of these people are not mentally ill. It's because of their culture.

 

[Tilly]

I'm with this guy:

One of the most puzzling phenomena to emerge from the various ongoing conflicts in and around the Middle East is the suicide bomber. How do we explain suicide bombing? An initial impulse may be to ascribe suicide bombing to the lunacy of the bombers themselves, or to something inherent in the ‘mentality' of the bombers' ethnic or religiousgroup--which to those on the outside always appears as uniquely backwards and brutal.

Ascribing a behavior to individual ‘craziness' or to a group's ‘mentality' is a seductive impulse--it offers an easy solution that absolves ‘us' and implicates ‘them.' It releases one from the burden of seeking nuanced understanding of complex processes. That explanation, alas, is deeply flawed.

First, using ‘craziness' to explain suicide bombers is circular reasoning. (Why did he blow himself up? Because he was crazy. How do you know he was crazy? Because he blew himself up.) To become useful as an explanation, the proclaimed ‘craziness' should have been verified beforehand, in unrelated contexts. In most cases, evidence of what we would consider individual insanity or mental illness is not a feature of future suicide bombers' profiles.

Second, attributing suicide bombing to internal properties of the bombers exemplifies what psychologists call, ‘the actor-observer effect,' a common, and commonly wrong, inclination to attribute the lousy behavior of others to their personalities while excusing our own bad behavior on account of circumstance. You're late to the meeting because you're lazy. I'm late on account of heavy traffic.....

Understanding the Suicide Bomber

 

[Tilly]

More from the article:

...Third, episodes of brutality and backwardness have periodically visited every religion and ethnicity. The ‘mentality' explanation is also the seed of all racism--Jews, for example, were said over millennia to have a seedy, greedy mentality--and also the seed of despair, since ‘mentality' is innate and unchangeable.

To approach a fuller understanding of suicide bombers, we need to apply a more nuanced analysis.

First, we have to acknowledge the human romance with brutality. As the British philosopher Jonathan Glover has noted, our species' fascination and preoccupation with inflicting brutality on itself, the sheer innovative effort dedicated to the task, and the visceral thrill of it are akin in their intensity to the human preoccupation with sex. Brutality for our species is not just a means to an end. It is an end in itself. This is not unique to Muslims, or to the insane....

Understanding the Suicide Bomber

 

[Tilly]

And:

...Then there is the power of society. Society gives us language, a worldview, an identity, a set of rules and rituals to live by. Society, in this sense, is God (with one difference: the existence of society is not in dispute and is supported by observable evidence). You are created in your society's image. Once society settles on a set of values and the accepted ways of obtaining them, individuals within the society, any society, are compelled to follow the path. Suicide bombing, in this context, is but the latest twisted incarnation in a long tradition of socially-sanctioned brutal rituals enacted in different societies throughout history--from foot binding and witch hunting to duals, lynching, and systematic war rape.

An additional factor is what I will call ‘true believerism,' which is the conviction that you and your group are in possession of The Truth. We tend to evaluate true believerism in terms of content, and as such we see it as dangerous and odd in others but not in ourselves. Somehow, our God stories--the resurrection of the dead, the parting of the sea, the animals on the arc--are glorious, deep, and perfectly laudable but their stories--the virgins, and 70 of them!--are strange, laughable, and loony.


True believerism, however, derives its destructive force not from content but from process. Once the ‘true believing' process is in place, you can pour in any content with similarly destructive results. Whatever document you put into a shredder will be shredded, not by virtue of what the document says but by virtue of what a shredder does...

Understanding the Suicide Bomber

 

[Tilly]

Finally:

...

Understood in the context of our human fascination with violence, the power of society, and the twisting force of true believerism, suicide bombing becomes a reasonable, albeit extreme, human adaptation. It is not a crazed act of insane individuals, but a social ritual. While its proximal causes are shaped by the current parameters of a specific group, its ultimate causes emerge from the grouping impulse inherent in human nature. For a society (or a group) that perceives itself as engaged in a territorial or ideological struggle for its very survival against overpowering enemies, it is not irrational to embrace, promote and celebrate individual acts of great sacrifice for the cause; particularly if the enemy is deemed less than human, as all enemies are always deemed; particularly if those acts are intoxicatingly brutal; particularly if they are shown to be effective weapons in the fight. For individuals under the pressure of a society, and in the throes of true believerism, suicide bombing can become an attractive option...


Understanding the Suicide Bomber

 

[Tilly]

Interesting:

Nice officials reject request to delete truck attack surveillance footage


Anti-terror agency asks authorities to destroy images as ministers face growing criticism over security measures on 14 July



A French soldier on patrol in Nice earlier this week. Camera footage could show how police were deployed on the night of the attack. Photograph: Patrick Aventurier/Getty Images
Associated Press in Paris

Friday 22 July 2016 10.08 BSTLast modified on Friday 22 July 2016 10.24 BST
Authorities in Nice have refused a request from French anti-terror police to delete surveillance camera images of last week’s deadly truck attack, amid growing questions over the scale of the police presence at the time.

The city received a letter this week from the SDAT anti-terrorism agency asking for images of the 14 July attack to be destroyed, an official at Nice city hall said on Friday.

The city is filing a legal complaint instead, arguing that the images could constitute evidence in the case, said the official, who is not authorised to be publicly named. ...

Nice officials reject request to delete truck attack surveillance footage