France's top court:UNCONSTITUTIONAL to levy 75% tax on rich

[DiamondDave]

You are an economic illiterate. Raising taxes (especially in a poor economy) results in less tax revenue overall.

You guys have been spewing the supply side, Laffer Curve bullshit for 30 years.

All the way back to Reagan, who said it, and he tripled the national debt.

Then Clinton came along, raised taxes on the wealthy, and guess what, we had balanced budgets. And Peace. And Prosperity. And the worst thing we had to worry about was whether Clinton lied about a blow job.

Supply side doesn't work. Trickle down doesn't.

Idiot... tax revenue from the tech boom boosted revenues.. and the tech boom happened in SPITE of the tax increases, not because of them

 

[JakeStarkey]

Mr. Doosh, bripat, once again demonstrates his abysmal understanding of history.

The Marshall Plan was a great success, considered so by mainstream historians for more than fifty years. Yes, the dems, with modern gop minority assistance, led the way for this foreign policy triumph.

Libertarian revisionism without any new facts remained crippled, as always.

The GOP is part of trillion dollar debts, too.

Dems rebuilt Europe and Japan, with some GOP help.

Americans have demonstrated they are not too concerned about Obama' culpability as their eyes turn towards the ultra rights and the libertarians.

The Dims didn't do shit. The taxpayers coughed up the money for the Marshall Plan, not the Dims, and it was a huge failure.

 

[Jroc]

The Dems, with some GOP help, rebut Europe and Japan.

Don't over emphasize your weakness, Jroc.

The GOP is part of trillion dollar debts, too.

Dems rebuilt Europe and Japan, with some GOP help.

Americans have demonstrated they are not too concerned about Obama' culpability as their eyes turn towards the ultra rights and the libertarians.

America rebuilt Europe it wasn’t done by party, everyone paid get it? Of course all politicians are responsible for our debt, but we are not doing anything about it are we?

There is not much resemblance to the Democrat party of Harry Truman and the Democrat party of today

The initiative was named after Secretary of State George Marshall. The plan had bipartisan support in Washington, where the Republicans controlled Congress and the Democrats controlled the White House. The Plan was largely the creation of State Department officials, especially William L. Clayton and George F. Kennan. Marshall spoke of urgent need to help the European recovery in his address at Harvard University in June 1947.

The reconstruction plan, developed at a meeting of the participating European states, was established on June 5, 1947. It offered the same aid to the Soviet Union and its allies but they did not accept it as to do so would be to allow a degree of US control over the Communist economies. During the four years that the plan was operational, US $13 billion in economic and technical assistance was given to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for European Economic Co-operation. This $13 billion was in the context of a U.S. GDP of $258 billion in 1948, and was on top of $13 billion in American aid to Europe between the end of the war and the start of the Plan that is counted separately from the Marshall Plan. The Marshall Plan was replaced by the Mutual Security Plan at the end of 1951.

The ERP addressed each of the obstacles to postwar recovery. The plan looked to the future, and did not focus on the destruction caused by the war. Much more important were efforts to modernize European industrial and business practices using high-efficiency American models, reduce artificial trade barriers, and instill a sense of hope and self-reliance.

By 1952 as the funding ended, the economy of every participant state had surpassed pre-war levels; for all Marshall Plan recipients, output in 1951 was at least 35% higher than in 1938.

Marshall Plan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is little resemblance in the GOP today of the great Republican party of the 1940s and 1950s.

 

[Jroc]

There is little resemblance in the GOP today of the great Republican party of the 1940s and 1950s.

60s?...Ooops

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm6fnQ5no0o]The Difference between a Republican and A Democrat - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Read my comment, son.

 

[Jroc]

Read my comment, son.

Poor boy... Everett McKinley Dirksen, a Tea party guy...Imagine that. Now get lost boy you bother me.

 

[JakeStarkey]

McKinley and Johnson got along fine, met together after sessions, helped govern together.

You are drinking too much tea, boy.

Read my comment, son.

Poor boy... Everett McKinley Dirksen, a Tea party guy...Imagine that. Now get lost boy you bother me.

 

[Jroc]

McKinley and Johnson got along fine, met together after sessions, helped govern together.

You are drinking too much tea, boy.

Read my comment, son.

Poor boy... Everett McKinley Dirksen, a Tea party guy...Imagine that. Now get lost boy you bother me.

I choose to listen to Dirksen himself thank very much...Now get lost

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm6fnQ5no0o]The Difference between a Republican and A Democrat - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

An excerpt taken out of context is all you have? Run along, son.

 

[Jroc]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Au2-J-3on0]Sen. Everett Dirksen on increasing the federal debt (1965) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

#350 above and now you are a decade beyond my comment. Jroc, you always look so stupid when you wrestle with your betters here. Like now.

 

[Jroc]

#350 above and now you are a decade beyond my comment. Jroc, you always look so stupid when you wrestle with your betters here. Like now.

Still looking for them son

 

[Antares]

Poor Jakey, the "Fecal Cliff" deal reached raised taxes om 77% of ALL American's Taxes...
You just aren't very bright for a Lefty.

Boedicca and Jroc want taxes to go up on the 98% as well as the 2%, which will be devastating to the middle and poor classes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yup, Grover Norquist is surrendering, saying he would vote for the bill tonight. He is arguing it's a victory, which it is not at all. However, putting the tax burden where it belongs, more on the wealthy than the average American is moral and ethical, will now give the Pubs honor as they hold the dems feet to fire on spending cuts next term. Yay for Pubs that want to govern and keep their honor to the American people.

 

[asterism]

They went along with it? I never realized the Cuban people voted Castro into power.

The Cuban people were better off than the people of any other country in Latin America. Their standard of living was rapidly approaching ours. Cubans underwent a drastic reduction in their standard of living when Castro came to power. Only fucking commies claim that Castro was an improvement over Batista.

I know this is a hard concept for you to get, but Castro is a national hero to the Cuban people.

And he will be long after they decide Communism wasn't such a hot idea.

It wasn't about economic systems, it was about how he liberated their people from colonial domination by the US.

Now despite the fact we've been punishing Cuba economically for 50 years because of this, the fact is, Cubans ARE better off than they were under Batista. Which is why 50 years of scheming from South Florida hasn't resulted in getting rid of him.

He was a fucking thug that took over a mostly unarmed populace. He imported an underclass and even they are leaving in droves when they can.

Go meet some actual Cubans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Communism is bad. The corporate oppression of the Cuban population with the Cuban government's help was even worse.

Get over it, bripat.

They went along with it? I never realized the Cuban people voted Castro into power.

The Cuban people were better off than the people of any other country in Latin America. Their standard of living was rapidly approaching ours. Cubans underwent a drastic reduction in their standard of living when Castro came to power. Only fucking commies claim that Castro was an improvement over Batista.

I know this is a hard concept for you to get, but Castro is a national hero to the Cuban people.

And he will be long after they decide Communism wasn't such a hot idea.

It wasn't about economic systems, it was about how he liberated their people from colonial domination by the US.

Now despite the fact we've been punishing Cuba economically for 50 years because of this, the fact is, Cubans ARE better off than they were under Batista. Which is why 50 years of scheming from South Florida hasn't resulted in getting rid of him.

He was a fucking thug that took over a mostly unarmed populace. He imported an underclass and even they are leaving in droves when they can.

Go meet some actual Cubans.

 

[bripat9643]

Mr. Doosh, bripat, once again demonstrates his abysmal understanding of history.

The Marshall Plan was a great success, considered so by mainstream historians for more than fifty years. Yes, the dems, with modern gop minority assistance, led the way for this foreign policy triumph.

Libertarian revisionism without any new facts remained crippled, as always.

The GOP is part of trillion dollar debts, too.

Dems rebuilt Europe and Japan, with some GOP help.

Americans have demonstrated they are not too concerned about Obama' culpability as their eyes turn towards the ultra rights and the libertarians.

The Dims didn't do shit. The taxpayers coughed up the money for the Marshall Plan, not the Dims, and it was a huge failure.

Wrong. The Marshall plan didn't do squat.

A Look Behind The Marshall Plan Mythology | Cato Institute

These failures would not have been surprising had policy-makers looked more critically at the initial Marshall Plan experience. If massive government spending could work anywhere, it was in Europe in 1948: Human capital was largely intact, the rule of law had a long history, and the customs of a commercial society were readily recoverable. The only thing lacking was physical plant, since so much had been destroyed during the war.

Even in these circumstances, however, there is no convincing evidence that the Marshall Plan caused Europe’s growth. For instance, U.S. assistance never exceeded 5% of the GDP of the recipient nations. As Cowen points out, “The assistance totals were minuscule compared to the growth that occurred in the 1950s.”

Moreover, receipt of aid did not track with economic recovery. France, Germany and Italy began to grow before the onset of the Marshall Plan, while Austria and Greece expanded slowly until near the program’s end. Great Britain, the largest aid recipient, performed most poorly.

Far more important for Europe’s growth was policy reform. In occupied Germany, for instance, the Allied Control Commission maintained Nazi-era economic controls and imposed new ones, such as a ban on trade. Only in mid-1948 were these counterproductive regulations lifted and sound money established. In contrast, Belgium acted right after its liberation, and therefore started growing well before American aid.

Ironically, the Marshall Plan, like so much later foreign aid, did not encourage economic freedom. Rather, U.S. officials advocated high taxes, extensive public spending and Keynesian economics. It was the end of U.S. assistance that most encouraged recipient nations to adopt reforms.

 

[bripat9643]

Your post is addressed to Asterism, not me, Fakey. The so-called "corporate oppression" gave Cubans the best standard of living in Latin America.

Communism is bad. The corporate oppression of the Cuban population with the Cuban government's help was even worse.

Get over it, bripat.

I know this is a hard concept for you to get, but Castro is a national hero to the Cuban people.

And he will be long after they decide Communism wasn't such a hot idea.

It wasn't about economic systems, it was about how he liberated their people from colonial domination by the US.

Now despite the fact we've been punishing Cuba economically for 50 years because of this, the fact is, Cubans ARE better off than they were under Batista. Which is why 50 years of scheming from South Florida hasn't resulted in getting rid of him.

He was a fucking thug that took over a mostly unarmed populace. He imported an underclass and even they are leaving in droves when they can.

Go meet some actual Cubans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only for the upper 35 to 40%, bripat. You better study ALL the stats before making a silly statement like that again.