Francis Fukuyama Is Right: Socialism Is the Only Alternative to Liberalism

[basquebromance]

i'm in the process of reading his new book about this very topic. i just might post a couple of quotes from it if i have time later

Francis Fukuyama Is Right: Socialism Is the Only Alternative to Liberalism

In Liberalism and Its Discontents, Francis Fukuyama diagnoses the political and psychological malaise caused by capitalism. His analysis makes one thing clear: liberalism is incapable of addressing the social, economic, and ecological crises it faces.

jacobin.com

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

i'm in the process of reading his new book about this very topic. i just might post a couple of quotes from it if i have time later

Francis Fukuyama Is Right: Socialism Is the Only Alternative to Liberalism

In Liberalism and Its Discontents, Francis Fukuyama diagnoses the political and psychological malaise caused by capitalism. His analysis makes one thing clear: liberalism is incapable of addressing the social, economic, and ecological crises it faces.

jacobin.com

Yeah, nothing like rewarding the lazy shit fucks who do nothing, and punish those that work hard, by taking what they rightfully earn. Until those who work, just say fuck it and stop working also. Then full retard Communism comes in and forces everyone to work at the point of a gun or die.

Yep Socialism is a great life. Until you die.

 

[buckeye45_73]

i'm in the process of reading his new book about this very topic. i just might post a couple of quotes from it if i have time later

Francis Fukuyama Is Right: Socialism Is the Only Alternative to Liberalism

In Liberalism and Its Discontents, Francis Fukuyama diagnoses the political and psychological malaise caused by capitalism. His analysis makes one thing clear: liberalism is incapable of addressing the social, economic, and ecological crises it faces.

jacobin.com

ARe you still trying socialism, it's a disaster every where it's tried, because humans aren't a collective......The only way socialism ever works is if people are inherently good (They are not) and aren't greedy, lustful, guttonous, ect.....

 

[2aguy]

i'm in the process of reading his new book about this very topic. i just might post a couple of quotes from it if i have time later

Francis Fukuyama Is Right: Socialism Is the Only Alternative to Liberalism

In Liberalism and Its Discontents, Francis Fukuyama diagnoses the political and psychological malaise caused by capitalism. His analysis makes one thing clear: liberalism is incapable of addressing the social, economic, and ecological crises it faces.

jacobin.com

Yeah....and the poverty, lack of technological development, and mass graves of socialism really worked out better in Europe, Russia, China......

This love affair with socialism is truly fucking bizarre....

 

[2aguy]

ARe you still trying socialism, it's a disaster every where it's tried, because humans aren't a collective......The only way socialism ever works is if people are inherently good (They are not) and aren't greedy, lustful, guttonous, ect.....

Look.......murdering 200 million people around the world was obviously not enough for socialism to work....they just need to try harder, and murder even more people the next time....

 

[2aguy]

i'm in the process of reading his new book about this very topic. i just might post a couple of quotes from it if i have time later

Francis Fukuyama Is Right: Socialism Is the Only Alternative to Liberalism

In Liberalism and Its Discontents, Francis Fukuyama diagnoses the political and psychological malaise caused by capitalism. His analysis makes one thing clear: liberalism is incapable of addressing the social, economic, and ecological crises it faces.

jacobin.com

Yeah....and the poverty, lack of technological development, and mass graves of socialism really worked out better in Europe, Russia, China......

This love affair with socialism is truly fucking bizzarre....

Yeah, nothing like rewarding the lazy shit fucks who do nothing, and punish those that work hard, by taking what they rightfully earn. Until those who work, just say fuck it and stop working also. Then full retard Communism comes in and forces everyone to work at the point of a gun or die.

Yep Socialism is a great life. Until you die.
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It is like that scene in "Idiocracy," where they are discussing the the sports drink used for crops............they just keep repeating the same thing about socialism no matter how often you bring up the failures of socialism....and the mass murder.......

Here.....substitute "Socialism," for Brawndo......

 

[Stryder50]

Would be more useful if he also;
'In Liberalism and Its Discontents, Francis Fukuyama diagnoses the political and psychological malaise caused by socialism.'

 

[Dragonlady]

Yeah, nothing like rewarding the lazy shit fucks who do nothing, and punish those that work hard, by taking what they rightfully earn. Until those who work, just say fuck it and stop working also. Then full retard Communism comes in and forces everyone to work at the point of a gun or die.

Yep Socialism is a great life. Until you die.
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None of these were "communist governments". They were "authoritarian dictatorships". There is a similar list for right wing authoritarian dictatorships which is of course, led by Adolf Hitler with more than 50 million killed.

 

[2aguy]

None of these were "communist governments". They were "authoritarian dictatorships". There is a similar list for right wing authoritarian dictatorships which is of course, led by Adolf Hitler with more than 50 million killed.

Yeah....you guys have tried to dodge responsibility for the mass murders committed by communists since 1917......

Hitler was a left wing socialist...you want to say he was Right Wing, but he wasn't....cause you know, if you can't push off his killings on the other side, which makes no sense, then all of the worst mass murderers since 1917 were left wing socialists....

Communism and fascism are the two bastard children of the socialist ideology. Communism calls for the destruction of private property, with the government owning and controlling the means of production, ostensibly for the people’s benefit. Fascism allows private property to exist, provided that the property owners understand that they have no rights separate from the state. Both are totalitarian systems that call themselves “democracies” because people are required to vote for pre-approved chosen candidates. These governments are inevitably repressive.
Most of the world’s governments today are fascist. All power rests in the government, which allows private property to exist but subordinates that property to government control. In China, the control is militaristic and obvious. In Europe, through the EU, it’s bureaucratic and someone more subtle. The current American system—a dominant political party disdainful of the Constitution working hand-in-glove with massive corporate, technocratic interests—is increasingly fascist.
Not all fascists, though, are Nazis. The National Socialist Party in Germany added a few twists to baseline fascist totalitarianism: A quest for world domination and racial obsessions. These two factors led Nazis to believe it was their right to enslave all inferior races except for the Jews, whom they intended to exterminate entirely.
If we are looking for people seeking world domination, believing all outsiders are rightful slaves, and planning to exterminate the Jews, you’ll find very few of those in America, a few more in parts of Europe, and tens of millions in the Muslim world. But back to Eastern Europe....





With the word 'Nazi' tossed around promiscuously, let's understand the term
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Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

 

[Devils_Advocate]

Yeah, nothing like rewarding the lazy shit fucks who do nothing, and punish those that work hard, by taking what they rightfully earn. Until those who work, just say fuck it and stop working also. Then full retard Communism comes in and forces everyone to work at the point of a gun or die.

Yep Socialism is a great life. Until you die.
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Communism can work if you can eliminate greed, sloth and envy…

 

[2aguy]

Communism can work if you can eliminate greed, sloth and envy…

And a couple hundred million people who won't go along with the program...

 

[Dragonlady]

Yeah....you guys have tried to dodge responsibility for the mass murders committed by communists since 1917......

Hitler was a left wing socialist...you want to say he was Right Wing, but he wasn't....cause you know, if you can't push off his killings on the other side, which makes no sense, then all of the worst mass murderers since 1917 were left wing socialists....

Communism and fascism are the two bastard children of the socialist ideology. Communism calls for the destruction of private property, with the government owning and controlling the means of production, ostensibly for the people’s benefit. Fascism allows private property to exist, provided that the property owners understand that they have no rights separate from the state. Both are totalitarian systems that call themselves “democracies” because people are required to vote for pre-approved chosen candidates. These governments are inevitably repressive.
Most of the world’s governments today are fascist. All power rests in the government, which allows private property to exist but subordinates that property to government control. In China, the control is militaristic and obvious. In Europe, through the EU, it’s bureaucratic and someone more subtle. The current American system—a dominant political party disdainful of the Constitution working hand-in-glove with massive corporate, technocratic interests—is increasingly fascist.
Not all fascists, though, are Nazis. The National Socialist Party in Germany added a few twists to baseline fascist totalitarianism: A quest for world domination and racial obsessions. These two factors led Nazis to believe it was their right to enslave all inferior races except for the Jews, whom they intended to exterminate entirely.
If we are looking for people seeking world domination, believing all outsiders are rightful slaves, and planning to exterminate the Jews, you’ll find very few of those in America, a few more in parts of Europe, and tens of millions in the Muslim world. But back to Eastern Europe....





With the word 'Nazi' tossed around promiscuously, let's understand the term
-----

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy. What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists. And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

Well that's because right wingers gleefully extoll the mass murders by left authoritarian dictators, while completely ignoring the millions of people murdered by right wing authoritarian dictators, or the various and assorted genocides by right wing authoritarians over the same time frame.

Perhaps it's because the USA either installed or propped up many of those right wing authoritarians over the past 100 years. Because right wing media only tells them bad shit about the left and never the right? Who knows? I really don't understand why right wing American do ANY of the stupid shit they do, other than out of desperation to defame the left, and to retain power.

Authoritarian dictatorships on either side of the political spectrum always resort to murdering their own citizens to suppress and terrorize the opposition. In South American, right wing dictators tortured and murdered all of the left wing lawyers, labour leaders, and university professors. In Argentina, they're called "The Disappeared".

Argentina sends out DNA kits in drive to identify thousands âdisappearedâ under dictatorship

Move is part of groundbreaking effort to name 30,000 murdered by regime after 1976 coup

www.theguardian.com

Before the Gulf War, the USA was giving weapons and support to Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Another mass murdered.

In Chile, they lined leftist leaders up in the soccer arena and murdered them:

Guard blows lid off Chile deaths

Political prisoners were routinely executed at a soccer stadium in the Chilean capital, Santiago, after the 1973 military coup, a former non-commissioned officer has claimed.

www.theguardian.com

The reason Iranian say "Death to America" is the Shah of Iran, who the USA kept on the Peacock Throne for decades. He made Saddam Hussein look like a choir boy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1980/03/23/the-shah-as-tyrant-a-look-at-the-record/218c6a8e-dcb7-4168-ac9c-8f23609f888f/

And of course Adolf Hilter who is responsible for more than 50,000 deaths in WWII and the camps.

And of course there is the genocide of indigenous peoples throughout North and South America over the past 300 years. Americans rarely acknowledge that.

 

[2aguy]

Well that's because right wingers gleefully extoll the mass murders by left authoritarian dictators, while completely ignoring the millions of people murdered by right wing authoritarian dictators, or the various and assorted genocides by right wing authoritarians over the same time frame.

Perhaps it's because the USA either installed or propped up many of those right wing authoritarians over the past 100 years. Because right wing media only tells them bad shit about the left and never the right? Who knows? I really don't understand why right wing American do ANY of the stupid shit they do, other than out of desperation to defame the left, and to retain power.

Authoritarian dictatorships on either side of the political spectrum always resort to murdering their own citizens to suppress and terrorize the opposition. In South American, right wing dictators tortured and murdered all of the left wing lawyers, labour leaders, and university professors. In Argentina, they're called "The Disappeared".

Argentina sends out DNA kits in drive to identify thousands âdisappearedâ under dictatorship

Move is part of groundbreaking effort to name 30,000 murdered by regime after 1976 coup

www.theguardian.com

Before the Gulf War, the USA was giving weapons and support to Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Another mass murdered.

In Chile, they lined leftist leaders up in the soccer arena and murdered them:

Guard blows lid off Chile deaths

Political prisoners were routinely executed at a soccer stadium in the Chilean capital, Santiago, after the 1973 military coup, a former non-commissioned officer has claimed.

www.theguardian.com

The reason Iranian say "Death to America" is the Shah of Iran, who the USA kept on the Peacock Throne for decades. He made Saddam Hussein look like a choir boy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1980/03/23/the-shah-as-tyrant-a-look-at-the-record/218c6a8e-dcb7-4168-ac9c-8f23609f888f/

And of course Adolf Hilter who is responsible for more than 50,000 deaths in WWII and the camps.

And of course there is the genocide of indigenous peoples throughout North and South America over the past 300 years. Americans rarely acknowledge that.

Hitler was your guy, he was a leftist........the worst mass murderers in history were leftist, socialists.......not during the Medieval period.....this is in the modern period, after 1917.....with universities, science, philosophy, democratic institutions, the rule of law.......and you guys murdered close to 200 million people to create your utopias...

 

[22lcidw]

Yeah, nothing like rewarding the lazy shit fucks who do nothing, and punish those that work hard, by taking what they rightfully earn. Until those who work, just say fuck it and stop working also. Then full retard Communism comes in and forces everyone to work at the point of a gun or die.

Yep Socialism is a great life. Until you die.
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This is already baked into the cake. Without further advancements of the left.

 

[Soupnazi630]

None of these were "communist governments". They were "authoritarian dictatorships". There is a similar list for right wing authoritarian dictatorships which is of course, led by Adolf Hitler with more than 50 million killed.

They were communist governments which by definiton is an authoritarian dictatorship

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Communism can work if you can eliminate greed, sloth and envy…

So you mean, eliminate the Demoncrap Party? Thanks for the adivce.