Free George Zimmerman

[bigrebnc1775]

I'm not questioning Zimmerman's claim of reaching for his phone and I'm not saying he was really reaching for his gun. I'm taking Zimmerman's claim at face value. What I am saying is that Trayvon could not know what Zimmerman was reaching for and that it would have been reasonable for Trayvon to assume Zimmerman was reaching for a weapon given Trayvon was merely heading back to his residence after buying candy from 7-11 when he found a stranger following him for no apparent reason, in the dark, in the rain, first by car and then by foot.

In my opinion, Trayvon was the one acting in self defense, not Zimmerman. Zimmerman is the one who put himself into a precarious situation he shouldn't have and is now crying self defense because he was getting his ass kicked for it.

Trayvon was out of his perceived danger area when he fled.

You are making an assumption not warranted by the situation.

Are you sure you were LEO? You don't sound like you know what you are talking about.

In the police audio Zimmerman said he ran and later said he got away. But the facts never seem to be your best friend.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The facts never are your friend, for sure. So you have a part of the story (GZ's), ignore other parts of the story (par for you), and come up with an inaccurate summation. As usual.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I mean seriously.

How many people have you heard say "he flashed a gun so I threw myself on top of him and tried to grab it, because I thought that might be the best way to avoid getting shot."

It doesn't happen because it's IDIOTIC.

So it may come down to my big question; how far away from each other were the two when the shot was fired?

That last will be one very important point Peach. There are some others, to which we don't yet have definitive answers. Among these are:

(!) At what point did Zimmerman lose sight of Martin? Was that before of after he got out of the vehicle? (Goes to whether Zimmerman was attempting to pursue Martin to confront him, or simply trying to regain visual contact, to see where Martin was going).

(2) Did Zimmerman actually "corner" Martin? If so, where? (That could not have been where there police found the two at the end of the incident, because that's a relatively open area). Alternatively, did Zimmerman catch up with Martin and confront him? If so, how? (if Martin was proceeding directly toward Brandy Green's apartment, it's hard to imagine how he wouldn't have easily outdistanced the older, shorter, and heavier Zimmerman, given a head start, which he obviously had).

(3) There are a number of paths Martin could have taken from the time he got out of sight of Zimmerman in the vehicle; but which one DID he take? Did he stop, at some point? If so, where?

(4) What exactly happened when Zimmerman and Martin met? Did they meet face-to face, or did one approach the other from behind (either is physically possible)? If one approached the other from behind, who was it? Who said what to who? (here we have two stories, Zimmerman's account, and the account of the phone conversation with Martin by his girl friend; which one is more likely true; neither is a disinterested party)?

(5) Martin's girl friend said she heard a "push" over the phone before the call was dropped. Exactly what does "a push" sound like? (It's a pity we don't have a recording of that phone call, as it would tell us a lot). She DID NOT hear a gunshot, so that obviously happened later-but how much later? (that should be something we can eventually know, from the cell phone record of when the call ended, and the time the 911 caller (witness)reported hearing the shot)

(6)Who initiated Physical contact? It's at least conceivable that Zimmerman could have grabbed Martin (in which case, Martin would be justified in defending himself); it's equally conceivable that Martin simply hit Zimmerman. Which was it? What does the evidence indicate?

The last three points are what the case turns on, from what little we know. Those answers would tell us, who initiated the verbal confrontation, who physically assaulted the other first, and about how long the altercation lasted before the shot was fired. I have yet to see a timeline giving the start and end times of Zimmerman's call to police, Martin's call to his girlfriend, and the 911 call from the witness reporting a gunshot. If anyone has that, please post it; that would help all of us better understand what could have happened. That would help answer the question of whether a self defense situation existed prior to the shot, and which party was defending himself to that point. Still to be determined would be whether or not Martin tried to snatch Zimmerman's gun, whether that occurred while the gun was holstered, or after it was drawn, and whether the weapon discharged as a result of a struggle, or was fired deliberately.

Absent more information, this could be anything from 2nd degree murder, to involuntary manslaughter, to lawful self defense. What incomplete evidence we have at this point mostly points to the last, BUT we don't have all the investigation has revealed, so we can't yet know even what the preponderance of the total evidence suggests, let alone what's provable "beyond a reasonable doubt".

There is still, in any event more we don't know, than what we do know.

Here is my input on the phone timeline -->> http://www.usmessageboard.com/5128222-post247.html


Good post.


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[bigrebnc1775]

None of the above information derived from the dispatcher call locates Zimmerman after he exists the truck.

Item "E" is speculation.


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And so are you speculating, Zimmerman according to the police audio lost Trayvon when he ran which was near the side of the housing complex. Plus that's where Zimmerman told the police he stopped.

You have a link to this police report giving a location for Zimmerman? Or is this from a media report or "leak"?


You realize though that if you want to go with Zimmerman's location as "E" at the end of the dispatcher call and "F" as the site of the event, then Zimmerman would have departed point "E" travelling back toward his truck and then turned left to proceed down the sidewalk to point "F" which means Zimmerman was traveling away from his truck instead or proceeding in a direct path to toward point "2:08" and his truck at "C".

If you want to go with that you just disproved your own position.


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Are you drunk? Nothing that you just posted is corrected. so try again. Do you see the backwards r in toy's r us as the correct why to write R?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The facts never are your friend, for sure. So you have a part of the story (GZ's), ignore other parts of the story (par for you), and come up with an inaccurate summation. As usual.

Jake take another vacation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

bigrebnc continues to provide us unlimited opportunities for sport.

 

[Peach]

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Previously you said Zimmerman was sitting in his truck.

Again, you provide no independent corroboration that Zimmerman was returning to his truck simply a statement of your own opinion. I say that Zimmerman may have been returning or he may not, we don't know.



1. You have evidence that she has changed what she said to police turing interviews? (Not media reports, actuall access to the interview reports.)

2. You don't know if she tried to call or not. What we know is that the existence of the girlfriends call became public knowledge on 3/20/2012 - that says not preclude her contacting the police that night shortly thereafter after finding out that Martin had been killed.

3. There is independent confirmation that the call took place based on phone records.



Utter balderdash, if (NOTICE **IF**) Zimmerman followed Martin and Zimmerman initiated hostilities then Martin would never have lost his right to self defense.

At this point there is no corroborating evidence that Zimmerman was attempting to return to his truck, there is no corroborating evidence that Martin was attempting to return the the Father's Girlfriend's home and there is no corroborating evidence on who first initiated hostilities (that has been made public).



I'm not "using" anything, I'm attempting to discuss fact's when we have them.

You said "Zimmerman never mentioned that Trayvon was on the phone when he was talking with the dispatcher, and according to Zimmerman martin had his hands around or in his waistband." Exactly yet we have phone records that prove Martin was on the phone while Zimmerman was looking at Martin while talking on the phone.

Then you say "Trayvon called his girlfriend after he fled the seine...", sorry Martin make the call, the call was INBOUND from the girlfriend which in known because the PHONE RECORDS record it as in inbound call.



Again this is factually incorrect.

There is Zimmerman's dispatcher call which is recorded and was initiated at 19:11 and the call lasted approximate 4 minutes (we have dispatcher records that prove this and the duration of the audio also). Approximately 60 seconds into the call, Zimmerman makes his waistband comment (we know this by simply listening to the call and looking at the elapsed time). At 19:12 Martin received an INBOUND phone call from the girlfriend, which is the same time as the "waistband" comment (we know this based on phone records and matching the time to the elapsed time of the dispatcher call). If you then continue to listen to the dispatcher call audio, it is a fact that Zimmerman says that Martin is departing the area under AFTER he answered the inbound call from the girlfriend.


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Previously you said Zimmerman was sitting in his truck.

Again, you provide no independent corroboration that Zimmerman was returning to his truck simply a statement of your own opinion. I say that Zimmerman may have been returning or he may not, we don't know.

You can listen to the police audio and tell basically where Zimmerman was
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgR7gCxXQYg]ACTUAL UNCUT AUDIO!!! George Zimmerman's Trayvon Martin 911 - YouTube[/ame]

So try again with your opinion based assertions.

No, you can't tell where Zimmerman was unless you are applying what you call "opinion based assertions.

All that is known (facts) that can be determined from listening to the audio is the following:

• Dispatcher Call Starts approximately 1900 (0 minutes, 0 seconds or 0 from inside his truck,
• Zimmerman says Martin is coming toward the truck at approximately (19:12:00, 01:00),
• Zimmerman says Martin has his hand in his waistband (19:12:05, 01:05) as the same time as phone records show an INBOUND call from the girlfriend at (19:12),
• Zimmerman says he has something in his hand (19:12:26, 01:26), which may be Martin's cell phone (Good for Zimmerman),
• Zimmerman make note that Martin has turned to run (19:13:09, 02:09),
• Zimmerman exists the vehicle, you can hear the truck door opening and closing about 3 seconds later (19:13:11, 02:11),
• You can hear wind noises now as Zimmerman begins following Martin and dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him (19:13:14, 02:14),
• You can hear Zimmerman acknowledges with "OK" that he heard the dispatcher say he didn't need to follow Martin (19:13:24, 02:24),
• No other position information can be determined from the phone call which ended at approximately 19:15:11, 04:11).

You can tell from the audio that Zimmerman was in his truck (the location of which is known by the police since it wasn't moved), that at 2 minutes 9 seconds Zimmerman says Martin is running, that at 2 minutes 11 seconds into the call Zimmerman exits the truck. Once Zimmerman exists the truck his location is unknown until the event when witnesses place him at the scene.

So, please identify what of the above is "opinion based assertions"?


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Zimmerman ended the call at point E, the body was found at point F; does it not appear Zimmerman followed Martin?

 

[WorldWatcher]

And so are you speculating, Zimmerman according to the police audio lost Trayvon when he ran which was near the side of the housing complex. Plus that's where Zimmerman told the police he stopped.

You have a link to this police report giving a location for Zimmerman? Or is this from a media report or "leak"?


You realize though that if you want to go with Zimmerman's location as "E" at the end of the dispatcher call and "F" as the site of the event, then Zimmerman would have departed point "E" travelling back toward his truck and then turned left to proceed down the sidewalk to point "F" which means Zimmerman was traveling away from his truck instead or proceeding in a direct path to toward point "2:08" and his truck at "C".

If you want to go with that you just disproved your own position.


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Are you drunk? Nothing that you just posted is corrected. so try again. Do you see the backwards r in toy's r us as the correct why to write R?

Fell free to explain in detail what exactly was incorrect instead of reverting to personal insults.

If Zimmerman was at point "E" when the call ended as you suggest, we would have travelled to the left of the image to the intersection of the crosswalk leading to point "F". It he had proceeded straight he would have been traveling toward the point marked "2:08" and his truck at point "C". By taking the left path and going down the image to travel to point "F" he would be traveling away from the shortest path to his truck.

Even if you speculate that Zimmerman was traveling down the image to go to the lower cut through at the bottom of "G's" building, while he was following that path he would have been traveling AWAY from his truck.

What part of that is incorrect?


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[JakeStarkey]

WW, our buddy bigreb is never troubled by facts if he has a narrative he likes.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You can listen to the police audio and tell basically where Zimmerman was
ACTUAL UNCUT AUDIO!!! George Zimmerman's Trayvon Martin 911 - YouTube

So try again with your opinion based assertions.

No, you can't tell where Zimmerman was unless you are applying what you call "opinion based assertions.

All that is known (facts) that can be determined from listening to the audio is the following:

• Dispatcher Call Starts approximately 1900 (0 minutes, 0 seconds or 0 from inside his truck,
• Zimmerman says Martin is coming toward the truck at approximately (19:12:00, 01:00),
• Zimmerman says Martin has his hand in his waistband (19:12:05, 01:05) as the same time as phone records show an INBOUND call from the girlfriend at (19:12),
• Zimmerman says he has something in his hand (19:12:26, 01:26), which may be Martin's cell phone (Good for Zimmerman),
• Zimmerman make note that Martin has turned to run (19:13:09, 02:09),
• Zimmerman exists the vehicle, you can hear the truck door opening and closing about 3 seconds later (19:13:11, 02:11),
• You can hear wind noises now as Zimmerman begins following Martin and dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him (19:13:14, 02:14),
• You can hear Zimmerman acknowledges with "OK" that he heard the dispatcher say he didn't need to follow Martin (19:13:24, 02:24),
• No other position information can be determined from the phone call which ended at approximately 19:15:11, 04:11).

You can tell from the audio that Zimmerman was in his truck (the location of which is known by the police since it wasn't moved), that at 2 minutes 9 seconds Zimmerman says Martin is running, that at 2 minutes 11 seconds into the call Zimmerman exits the truck. Once Zimmerman exists the truck his location is unknown until the event when witnesses place him at the scene.

So, please identify what of the above is "opinion based assertions"?


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Zimmerman ended the call at point E, the body was found at point F; does it not appear Zimmerman followed Martin?

That would be speculation based on unknown data if you mean by "followed" that Zimmerman had required sight of Martin. That is unknown. The next contact based on witness was the audio from the girlfriend and from that we can't tell who approached who.


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[bigrebnc1775]

You have a link to this police report giving a location for Zimmerman? Or is this from a media report or "leak"?


You realize though that if you want to go with Zimmerman's location as "E" at the end of the dispatcher call and "F" as the site of the event, then Zimmerman would have departed point "E" travelling back toward his truck and then turned left to proceed down the sidewalk to point "F" which means Zimmerman was traveling away from his truck instead or proceeding in a direct path to toward point "2:08" and his truck at "C".

If you want to go with that you just disproved your own position.


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Are you drunk? Nothing that you just posted is corrected. so try again. Do you see the backwards r in toy's r us as the correct why to write R?

Fell free to explain in detail what exactly was incorrect instead of reverting to personal insults.

If Zimmerman was at point "E" when the call ended as you suggest, we would have travelled to the left of the image to the intersection of the crosswalk leading to point "F". It he had proceeded straight he would have been traveling toward the point marked "2:08" and his truck at point "C". By taking the left path and going down the image to travel to point "F" he would be traveling away from the shortest path to his truck.

Even if you speculate that Zimmerman was traveling down the image to go to the lower cut through at the bottom of "G's" building, while he was following that path he would have been traveling AWAY from his truck.

What part of that is incorrect?


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Zimmerman left his truck at point C when Trayvon ran Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon somewhere between point C and point E. It's normal to run in a straight line when you are chasing someone. At that point was when Zimmerman stop at the advice of the call taker. and completed his call.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No, you can't tell where Zimmerman was unless you are applying what you call "opinion based assertions.

All that is known (facts) that can be determined from listening to the audio is the following:

• Dispatcher Call Starts approximately 1900 (0 minutes, 0 seconds or 0 from inside his truck,
• Zimmerman says Martin is coming toward the truck at approximately (19:12:00, 01:00),
• Zimmerman says Martin has his hand in his waistband (19:12:05, 01:05) as the same time as phone records show an INBOUND call from the girlfriend at (19:12),
• Zimmerman says he has something in his hand (19:12:26, 01:26), which may be Martin's cell phone (Good for Zimmerman),
• Zimmerman make note that Martin has turned to run (19:13:09, 02:09),
• Zimmerman exists the vehicle, you can hear the truck door opening and closing about 3 seconds later (19:13:11, 02:11),
• You can hear wind noises now as Zimmerman begins following Martin and dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him (19:13:14, 02:14),
• You can hear Zimmerman acknowledges with "OK" that he heard the dispatcher say he didn't need to follow Martin (19:13:24, 02:24),
• No other position information can be determined from the phone call which ended at approximately 19:15:11, 04:11).

You can tell from the audio that Zimmerman was in his truck (the location of which is known by the police since it wasn't moved), that at 2 minutes 9 seconds Zimmerman says Martin is running, that at 2 minutes 11 seconds into the call Zimmerman exits the truck. Once Zimmerman exists the truck his location is unknown until the event when witnesses place him at the scene.

So, please identify what of the above is "opinion based assertions"?


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Zimmerman ended the call at point E, the body was found at point F; does it not appear Zimmerman followed Martin?

That would be speculation based on unknown data if you mean by "followed" that Zimmerman had required sight of Martin. That is unknown. The next contact based on witness was the audio from the girlfriend and from that we can't tell who approached who.


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It's on the audio "He got away"

 

[JakeStarkey]

bigreb is speculating wildly.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Are you drunk? Nothing that you just posted is corrected. so try again. Do you see the backwards r in toy's r us as the correct why to write R?

Fell free to explain in detail what exactly was incorrect instead of reverting to personal insults.

If Zimmerman was at point "E" when the call ended as you suggest, we would have travelled to the left of the image to the intersection of the crosswalk leading to point "F". It he had proceeded straight he would have been traveling toward the point marked "2:08" and his truck at point "C". By taking the left path and going down the image to travel to point "F" he would be traveling away from the shortest path to his truck.

Even if you speculate that Zimmerman was traveling down the image to go to the lower cut through at the bottom of "G's" building, while he was following that path he would have been traveling AWAY from his truck.

What part of that is incorrect?


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Zimmerman left his truck at point C when Trayvon ran Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon somewhere between point C and point E. It's normal to run in a straight line when you are chasing someone. At that point was when Zimmerman stop at the advice of the call taker. and completed his call.

1. Speculation that Zimmerman "stopped", there is no corroborating evidence to support that.

2. That does not address Zimmerman traveling away from the truck to arrive at point "F" so appears to be an attempt to change the subject and deflect. Please address how Zimmerman turned left on the sidewalk to arrive at point "F" (traveling away from the truck) yet per your claim Zimmerman was traveling toward his truck. Your image conflicts with your speculation.


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[JakeStarkey]

bigrebnc will now begin the weekly melt down that will transform him into littledeb. bigreb's speculations do not match what has been given as the timeline and movements.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Fell free to explain in detail what exactly was incorrect instead of reverting to personal insults.

If Zimmerman was at point "E" when the call ended as you suggest, we would have travelled to the left of the image to the intersection of the crosswalk leading to point "F". It he had proceeded straight he would have been traveling toward the point marked "2:08" and his truck at point "C". By taking the left path and going down the image to travel to point "F" he would be traveling away from the shortest path to his truck.

Even if you speculate that Zimmerman was traveling down the image to go to the lower cut through at the bottom of "G's" building, while he was following that path he would have been traveling AWAY from his truck.

What part of that is incorrect?


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Zimmerman left his truck at point C when Trayvon ran Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon somewhere between point C and point E. It's normal to run in a straight line when you are chasing someone. At that point was when Zimmerman stop at the advice of the call taker. and completed his call.

1. Speculation that Zimmerman "stopped", there is no corroborating evidence to support that.

2. That does not address Zimmerman traveling away from the truck to arrive at point "F" so appears to be an attempt to change the subject and deflect. Please address how Zimmerman turned left on the sidewalk to arrive at point "F" (traveling away from the truck) yet per your claim Zimmerman was traveling toward his truck. Your image conflicts with your speculation.


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And you're speculating with what? I am using the police audio call you are using what exactly?

Please address how Zimmerman turned left on the sidewalk to arrive at point "F"

I have addressed that a few times. When Zimmerman turned around to go back to his truck Trayvon was waiting between the two housing complexes
If Zimmerman would have turned left you would have heard Zimmerman say I found him on the call.
Still waitng why would Zimmerman shoot Trayvon know that the police were on the way?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Zimmerman ended the call at point E, the body was found at point F; does it not appear Zimmerman followed Martin?

That would be speculation based on unknown data if you mean by "followed" that Zimmerman had required sight of Martin. That is unknown. The next contact based on witness was the audio from the girlfriend and from that we can't tell who approached who.


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It's on the audio "He got away"

Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police | Mother Jones


No it's not, try listening again and above is a transcript of the call. Zimmerman did not say "he got away". You may be thinking of Zimmermans police statement, not what was on the call. (Not saying Zimmerman didn't loose contact, just saying your quote is not in the audio.)


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[Faun]

I mean seriously.

How many people have you heard say "he flashed a gun so I threw myself on top of him and tried to grab it, because I thought that might be the best way to avoid getting shot."

It doesn't happen because it's IDIOTIC.

So it may come down to my big question; how far away from each other were the two when the shot was fired?

That last will be one very important point Peach. There are some others, to which we don't yet have definitive answers. Among these are:

(!) At what point did Zimmerman lose sight of Martin? Was that before of after he got out of the vehicle? (Goes to whether Zimmerman was attempting to pursue Martin to confront him, or simply trying to regain visual contact, to see where Martin was going).

(2) Did Zimmerman actually "corner" Martin? If so, where? (That could not have been where there police found the two at the end of the incident, because that's a relatively open area). Alternatively, did Zimmerman catch up with Martin and confront him? If so, how? (if Martin was proceeding directly toward Brandy Green's apartment, it's hard to imagine how he wouldn't have easily outdistanced the older, shorter, and heavier Zimmerman, given a head start, which he obviously had).

(3) There are a number of paths Martin could have taken from the time he got out of sight of Zimmerman in the vehicle; but which one DID he take? Did he stop, at some point? If so, where?

(4) What exactly happened when Zimmerman and Martin met? Did they meet face-to face, or did one approach the other from behind (either is physically possible)? If one approached the other from behind, who was it? Who said what to who? (here we have two stories, Zimmerman's account, and the account of the phone conversation with Martin by his girl friend; which one is more likely true; neither is a disinterested party)?

(5) Martin's girl friend said she heard a "push" over the phone before the call was dropped. Exactly what does "a push" sound like? (It's a pity we don't have a recording of that phone call, as it would tell us a lot). She DID NOT hear a gunshot, so that obviously happened later-but how much later? (that should be something we can eventually know, from the cell phone record of when the call ended, and the time the 911 caller (witness)reported hearing the shot)

(6)Who initiated Physical contact? It's at least conceivable that Zimmerman could have grabbed Martin (in which case, Martin would be justified in defending himself); it's equally conceivable that Martin simply hit Zimmerman. Which was it? What does the evidence indicate?

The last three points are what the case turns on, from what little we know. Those answers would tell us, who initiated the verbal confrontation, who physically assaulted the other first, and about how long the altercation lasted before the shot was fired. I have yet to see a timeline giving the start and end times of Zimmerman's call to police, Martin's call to his girlfriend, and the 911 call from the witness reporting a gunshot. If anyone has that, please post it; that would help all of us better understand what could have happened. That would help answer the question of whether a self defense situation existed prior to the shot, and which party was defending himself to that point. Still to be determined would be whether or not Martin tried to snatch Zimmerman's gun, whether that occurred while the gun was holstered, or after it was drawn, and whether the weapon discharged as a result of a struggle, or was fired deliberately.

Absent more information, this could be anything from 2nd degree murder, to involuntary manslaughter, to lawful self defense. What incomplete evidence we have at this point mostly points to the last, BUT we don't have all the investigation has revealed, so we can't yet know even what the preponderance of the total evidence suggests, let alone what's provable "beyond a reasonable doubt".

There is still, in any event more we don't know, than what we do know.

Martin's phone record...

911 call log ...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That would be speculation based on unknown data if you mean by "followed" that Zimmerman had required sight of Martin. That is unknown. The next contact based on witness was the audio from the girlfriend and from that we can't tell who approached who.


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It's on the audio "He got away"

Transcript of George Zimmerman's Call to the Police | Mother Jones


No it's not, try listening again and above is a transcript of the call. Zimmerman did not say "he got away". You may be thinking of Zimmermans police statement, not what was on the call. (Not saying Zimmerman didn't loose contact, just saying your quote is not in the audio.)


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OH I sorry he said he running and then later he ran and later in the audio you can hear Zimmerman say I don't know where this kid is. At 3:38 in the video which is should make it clear to even you he got away.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgR7gCxXQYg]ACTUAL UNCUT AUDIO!!! George Zimmerman's Trayvon Martin 911 - YouTube[/ame]

How about we stick with the actual police audio and not mother jones?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Zimmerman left his truck at point C when Trayvon ran Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon somewhere between point C and point E. It's normal to run in a straight line when you are chasing someone. At that point was when Zimmerman stop at the advice of the call taker. and completed his call.

1. Speculation that Zimmerman "stopped", there is no corroborating evidence to support that.

2. That does not address Zimmerman traveling away from the truck to arrive at point "F" so appears to be an attempt to change the subject and deflect. Please address how Zimmerman turned left on the sidewalk to arrive at point "F" (traveling away from the truck) yet per your claim Zimmerman was traveling toward his truck. Your image conflicts with your speculation.


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And you're speculating with what? I am using the police audio call you are using what exactly?

Not speculating, relating what is in the call.

I've said from the call certain things are unknown, you claim certain things are known based on the police audio, but those items are not known from the police audio.

Please address how Zimmerman turned left on the sidewalk to arrive at point "F"

I have addressed that a few times. When Zimmerman turned around to go back to his truck Trayvon was waiting between the two housing complexes
If Zimmerman would have turned left you would have heard Zimmerman say I found him on the call.
Still waitng why would Zimmerman shoot Trayvon know that the police were on the way?

No you haven't "addressed this", you've deflected but not addressed how taking a path away from the truck is traveling toward the truck, logically inconsistent.

Martin "waiting" for Zimmerman is speculation, there is no evidence to support that beyond Zimmerman's story.

As to the last question: Martin initiated hostilities and Zimmerman feared for his life and pulled his gun and shot Martin OR Zimmerman initiated hostilities, got spooked when he started losing the fight he started, Zimmerman feared for his life and pulled his gun and shot Martin. At this point there is no corroborating evidence that shows who started the hostilities.


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