Free Internet at Your Expense for Low Income Families

[DiamondDave]

They sold you guns.

Silly rabbit

You think that if they won't even do what it takes to fish and feed themselves, that they will actually put forth the effort to sell weaponry on the market??

Where else would the guns come from to hold you at gun point?

From productive people in society... not the lazy assholes who won't even fish to provide for themselves.... and certainly not the likes of you

 

[shintao]

yes except the poor have no fishing rod, or a body of water for that matter, so even if you teach them, they still can't catch fish.

Even an idiot can find a stick, some vine or twine, and walk til they find a fucking body of water.... it's just the fucking lazy who choose not to

yeah have fun with that.

I don't quite think you realize it was an analogy. The point being that the tools you need in this world to "catch a fish" are not found lying around, nor are "fish" available to just be caught. Along with desire, people need both the training and the tools. One without the other is useless.

I think you just confused "dancing Dave" LMAO!!

 

[Skull Pilot]

people can already get free internet at the free public library.

Why be redundant?

POST # 154

You really need to assess the situation. I have noted here budget cuts are closing libraries. Here are a few, because some people here don't seem to understand English or believe it could happen, or??? LOL!


librarys shutting down budget cuts

Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight
Read more: Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight | Political Buzz


City Council members believe that public libraries will open only five days a week
Read more: Budget cuts to force city libraries to shut down at least two days a week - NYPOST.com



Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down
Final chapter? Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down - FoxNews.com



Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down
Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down - Topix


Under budget cuts, Camden library system prepares to shut down permanently
http://www.sfexaminer.com/.../final-...100141304.html


Massive budget cuts that have already led to furloughs for ... city of Colton abruptly shut all three of its city libraries and fired 17 staffers.
http://www.aolnews.com/.../shhh-that...aries-closing/ -


Southern California library officials where more than half reported having to institute furloughs, layoffs and other austerity measures.
Many libraries go quiet as local budget cuts deepen - Los Angeles Times


The governor’s budget proposal cuts state library funding by 74 percent – $10.4 million. Funding for the Talking Book and Braille Center would be eliminated, forcing the service to shut down.
Approximately 250 of the state’s public libraries currently receive their internet access through New Jersey’s State Library; once the money runs out, they’ll have to make other arrangements lose the service.
Read more: Local Libraries Also Feel Governor?s Budget Cuts | njtoday.net – Everything New Jersey



Seattle's libraries will close for a week beginning late this month, leaving patrons without many normal services while the city continues to ponder how the system will operate on less money next year. It will be the second budget-driven closure in a year.
Seattle libraries to shut down for a week



Dwindling tax dollars are forcing libraries to close branches, cut hours and end programs just as more people are turning to them for services.
Troy, N.Y., is closing two of three branches today because the budget has been cut 16% to $669,000 this year, says Paul Hicok, executive director of the Troy Public Library. Its circulation of borrowed materials increased 16% last year.

• Muncie, Ind., is closing three of five branches, says library director Ginny Nilles. Its $4.8 million annual budget is facing a cut of $2 million over two years. Circulation increased 7% last year.

• In Philadelphia, Mayor Michael Nutter planned to close 11 of the city's 54 libraries this month to save $8 million, but a judge ruled he did not have the authority. Nutter is appealing. The branches remain open, but their hours will be reduced.

• Phoenix faces a 27% cut in its $40.6 million budget that would reduce hours at its 15 branches from 72 hours a week to 48 and eliminate some children and adult reading programs, says city librarian Toni Garvey. The number of visitors increased 8% in 2008.

• Darby, Pa., expects to close its only library — the oldest continuously operating free public library in Pennsylvania and believed to be the oldest in the nation — next year.

U.S. libraries on borrowed time? - USATODAY.com

there are millions of other towns one can still go to a library in. In fact I'll bet there are more places to get free or nearly free access to a computer than there are people too poor to pay for their own service.

Oh and if these people are so poor they can't afford internet access, how are they going to buy a computer or are we giving those away now too?

 

[DiamondDave]

Even an idiot can find a stick, some vine or twine, and walk til they find a fucking body of water.... it's just the fucking lazy who choose not to

yeah have fun with that.

I don't quite think you realize it was an analogy. The point being that the tools you need in this world to "catch a fish" are not found lying around, nor are "fish" available to just be caught. Along with desire, people need both the training and the tools. One without the other is useless.

I think you just confused "dancing Dave" LMAO!!

Yeah... like I did not know it was the oft-used "teach a man to fish" analogy

idiot socialist waste of oxygen

 

[shintao]

Silly rabbit

You think that if they won't even do what it takes to fish and feed themselves, that they will actually put forth the effort to sell weaponry on the market??

Where else would the guns come from to hold you at gun point?

From productive people in society... not the lazy assholes who won't even fish to provide for themselves.... and certainly not the likes of you

No, I won't buy guns for your lazy ass, or hold you at gun point. The fact is you bought the guns for government to hold you at gunpoint, for the benefit of the poor. You guys are really stupid.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

And you're not smart enough not to be in the desert trying to live? No wonder you're a liberal

And guess what.. you are responsible for your own education and training and tools as an adult....

I wouldn't talk about education while using double negatives like that.

You're still missing that it's an analogy, huh? Or do you actually think poor people need to learn how to fish? OK let me spell it out for you then. Indigent people lack the training, the means of acquiring training, or the tools required for the lessons of that training. They need money to buy the tools, training to get the money, and money to get the training. As I said before: if you give them tools without training, or training without the means of acquiring the tools, it's useless. You need both.

Walk through this scenario: a poor man in an inner city has $50 to his name. He can crash at friend's houses, but that's all that's given to him. He gets a little money doing odd jobs, which keeps him fed. He has a GED, little clothes, nothing nice to wear to a job interview, and no personal transportation. Oh and he's starting to get sick. You tell me what metaphorical fishing pole he's going to pick up and use to catch a metaphorical fish.

 

[shintao]

people can already get free internet at the free public library.

Why be redundant?

POST # 154

You really need to assess the situation. I have noted here budget cuts are closing libraries. Here are a few, because some people here don't seem to understand English or believe it could happen, or??? LOL!


librarys shutting down budget cuts

Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight
Read more: Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight | Political Buzz


City Council members believe that public libraries will open only five days a week
Read more: Budget cuts to force city libraries to shut down at least two days a week - NYPOST.com



Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down
Final chapter? Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down - FoxNews.com



Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down
Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down - Topix


Under budget cuts, Camden library system prepares to shut down permanently
http://www.sfexaminer.com/.../final-...100141304.html


Massive budget cuts that have already led to furloughs for ... city of Colton abruptly shut all three of its city libraries and fired 17 staffers.
http://www.aolnews.com/.../shhh-that...aries-closing/ -


Southern California library officials where more than half reported having to institute furloughs, layoffs and other austerity measures.
Many libraries go quiet as local budget cuts deepen - Los Angeles Times


The governor’s budget proposal cuts state library funding by 74 percent – $10.4 million. Funding for the Talking Book and Braille Center would be eliminated, forcing the service to shut down.
Approximately 250 of the state’s public libraries currently receive their internet access through New Jersey’s State Library; once the money runs out, they’ll have to make other arrangements lose the service.
Read more: Local Libraries Also Feel Governor?s Budget Cuts | njtoday.net – Everything New Jersey



Seattle's libraries will close for a week beginning late this month, leaving patrons without many normal services while the city continues to ponder how the system will operate on less money next year. It will be the second budget-driven closure in a year.
Seattle libraries to shut down for a week



Dwindling tax dollars are forcing libraries to close branches, cut hours and end programs just as more people are turning to them for services.
Troy, N.Y., is closing two of three branches today because the budget has been cut 16% to $669,000 this year, says Paul Hicok, executive director of the Troy Public Library. Its circulation of borrowed materials increased 16% last year.

• Muncie, Ind., is closing three of five branches, says library director Ginny Nilles. Its $4.8 million annual budget is facing a cut of $2 million over two years. Circulation increased 7% last year.

• In Philadelphia, Mayor Michael Nutter planned to close 11 of the city's 54 libraries this month to save $8 million, but a judge ruled he did not have the authority. Nutter is appealing. The branches remain open, but their hours will be reduced.

• Phoenix faces a 27% cut in its $40.6 million budget that would reduce hours at its 15 branches from 72 hours a week to 48 and eliminate some children and adult reading programs, says city librarian Toni Garvey. The number of visitors increased 8% in 2008.

• Darby, Pa., expects to close its only library — the oldest continuously operating free public library in Pennsylvania and believed to be the oldest in the nation — next year.

U.S. libraries on borrowed time? - USATODAY.com

there are millions of other towns one can still go to a library in. In fact I'll bet there are more places to get free or nearly free access to a computer than there are people too poor to pay for their own service.

Oh and if these people are so poor they can't afford internet access, how are they going to buy a computer or are we giving those away now too?

Your first point, you will have to show a reference to cover up your bullshit.

Your second point is a good one, and why I think this is a bad idea. There are ways to pay for PCs, like end foreign aid to Israel and other countrys. Cut off corporate aid., or let corporations pay for them. You shouldn't be asked to contribute here, but you will told you will. And couldn't those on social programs be taxed to pay for it, including Corporate aid or other government benefits going out the door.

I would prefer 400 public tv channels of educational programs running 24/7 would be the best way to go, because few Americans do not have a tv. But we will never see that happen either.

 

[Skull Pilot]

POST # 154

You really need to assess the situation. I have noted here budget cuts are closing libraries. Here are a few, because some people here don't seem to understand English or believe it could happen, or??? LOL!


librarys shutting down budget cuts

Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight
Read more: Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight | Political Buzz


City Council members believe that public libraries will open only five days a week
Read more: Budget cuts to force city libraries to shut down at least two days a week - NYPOST.com



Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down
Final chapter? Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down - FoxNews.com



Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down
Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down - Topix


Under budget cuts, Camden library system prepares to shut down permanently
http://www.sfexaminer.com/.../final-...100141304.html


Massive budget cuts that have already led to furloughs for ... city of Colton abruptly shut all three of its city libraries and fired 17 staffers.
http://www.aolnews.com/.../shhh-that...aries-closing/ -


Southern California library officials where more than half reported having to institute furloughs, layoffs and other austerity measures.
Many libraries go quiet as local budget cuts deepen - Los Angeles Times


The governor’s budget proposal cuts state library funding by 74 percent – $10.4 million. Funding for the Talking Book and Braille Center would be eliminated, forcing the service to shut down.
Approximately 250 of the state’s public libraries currently receive their internet access through New Jersey’s State Library; once the money runs out, they’ll have to make other arrangements lose the service.
Read more: Local Libraries Also Feel Governor?s Budget Cuts | njtoday.net – Everything New Jersey



Seattle's libraries will close for a week beginning late this month, leaving patrons without many normal services while the city continues to ponder how the system will operate on less money next year. It will be the second budget-driven closure in a year.
Seattle libraries to shut down for a week



Dwindling tax dollars are forcing libraries to close branches, cut hours and end programs just as more people are turning to them for services.
Troy, N.Y., is closing two of three branches today because the budget has been cut 16% to $669,000 this year, says Paul Hicok, executive director of the Troy Public Library. Its circulation of borrowed materials increased 16% last year.

• Muncie, Ind., is closing three of five branches, says library director Ginny Nilles. Its $4.8 million annual budget is facing a cut of $2 million over two years. Circulation increased 7% last year.

• In Philadelphia, Mayor Michael Nutter planned to close 11 of the city's 54 libraries this month to save $8 million, but a judge ruled he did not have the authority. Nutter is appealing. The branches remain open, but their hours will be reduced.

• Phoenix faces a 27% cut in its $40.6 million budget that would reduce hours at its 15 branches from 72 hours a week to 48 and eliminate some children and adult reading programs, says city librarian Toni Garvey. The number of visitors increased 8% in 2008.

• Darby, Pa., expects to close its only library — the oldest continuously operating free public library in Pennsylvania and believed to be the oldest in the nation — next year.

U.S. libraries on borrowed time? - USATODAY.com

there are millions of other towns one can still go to a library in. In fact I'll bet there are more places to get free or nearly free access to a computer than there are people too poor to pay for their own service.

Oh and if these people are so poor they can't afford internet access, how are they going to buy a computer or are we giving those away now too?

Your first point, you will have to show a reference to cover up your bullshit.

Your second point is a good one, and why I think this is a bad idea. There are ways to pay for PCs, like end foreign aid to Israel and other countrys. Cut off corporate aid., or let corporations pay for them. You shouldn't be asked to contribute here, but you will told you will. And couldn't those on social programs be taxed to pay for it, including Corporate aid or other government benefits going out the door.

I would prefer 400 public tv channels of educational programs running 24/7 would be the best way to go, because few Americans do not have a tv. But we will never see that happen either.

My first point is proven by the fact that one can walk into any Starbucks or thousands of other establishments and get free wifi or wifi for the price of a cup of coffee.

http://www.wififreespot.com/companies.html

 

[shintao]

And you're not smart enough not to be in the desert trying to live? No wonder you're a liberal

And guess what.. you are responsible for your own education and training and tools as an adult....

I wouldn't talk about education while using double negatives like that.

You're still missing that it's an analogy, huh? Or do you actually think poor people need to learn how to fish? OK let me spell it out for you then. Indigent people lack the training, the means of acquiring training, or the tools required for the lessons of that training. They need money to buy the tools, training to get the money, and money to get the training. As I said before: if you give them tools without training, or training without the means of acquiring the tools, it's useless. You need both.

Walk through this scenario: a poor man in an inner city has $50 to his name. He can crash at friend's houses, but that's all that's given to him. He gets a little money doing odd jobs, which keeps him fed. He has a GED, little clothes, nothing nice to wear to a job interview, and no personal transportation. Oh and he's starting to get sick. You tell me what metaphorical fishing pole he's going to pick up and use to catch a metaphorical fish.

"Dancing Dave" would rather have the masses dependent on social programs and go on feeding them out of his pocket, than teach them to fish. He sees generational welfare as the way to go, so enjoys paying for it as well, and he just bitches because he doesn't have a dog to kick around the living room anymore. Don't take him seriously folks...........

 

[shintao]

there are millions of other towns one can still go to a library in. In fact I'll bet there are more places to get free or nearly free access to a computer than there are people too poor to pay for their own service.

Oh and if these people are so poor they can't afford internet access, how are they going to buy a computer or are we giving those away now too?

Your first point, you will have to show a reference to cover up your bullshit.

Your second point is a good one, and why I think this is a bad idea. There are ways to pay for PCs, like end foreign aid to Israel and other countrys. Cut off corporate aid., or let corporations pay for them. You shouldn't be asked to contribute here, but you will told you will. And couldn't those on social programs be taxed to pay for it, including Corporate aid or other government benefits going out the door.

I would prefer 400 public tv channels of educational programs running 24/7 would be the best way to go, because few Americans do not have a tv. But we will never see that happen either.

My first point is proven by the fact that one can walk into any Starbucks or thousands of other establishments and get free wifi or wifi for the price of a cup of coffee.

free wi-fi Companies multiple locations

LMAO! Star Bucks?? How about TWA flights to paris?? HAHAHAHA!! That's IF they have $60 a month for coffee and their own PC!!!! LMAO!!! You dreamer you.

 

[chanel]

I am a huge proponent of the public library system. My children have had cards since they were toddlers. Over the years, I have tutored dozens of suspended students at the local library. In order to use the computers, one must have a library card. Not ONE student I have worked with had one. So I offer to pay the 5 bucks myself. All they need is ID. Not ONE kid has taken up my offer. Why? Because they know once the tutoring is over, they will never visit the library again. Its heartbreaking to me. But as someone said, you can lead a horse to water..

Most teachers in my school do not require papers to be typed because many students claim they have no access to computers. The truth is they reject the access.

 

[daveman]

Your first point, you will have to show a reference to cover up your bullshit.

Your second point is a good one, and why I think this is a bad idea. There are ways to pay for PCs, like end foreign aid to Israel and other countrys. Cut off corporate aid., or let corporations pay for them. You shouldn't be asked to contribute here, but you will told you will. And couldn't those on social programs be taxed to pay for it, including Corporate aid or other government benefits going out the door.

I would prefer 400 public tv channels of educational programs running 24/7 would be the best way to go, because few Americans do not have a tv. But we will never see that happen either.

My first point is proven by the fact that one can walk into any Starbucks or thousands of other establishments and get free wifi or wifi for the price of a cup of coffee.

free wi-fi Companies multiple locations

LMAO! Star Bucks?? How about TWA flights to paris?? HAHAHAHA!! That's IF they have $60 a month for coffee and their own PC!!!! LMAO!!! You dreamer you.

The obvious solution is government-subsidized Starbucks for the poor.

 

[DiamondDave]

And you're not smart enough not to be in the desert trying to live? No wonder you're a liberal

And guess what.. you are responsible for your own education and training and tools as an adult....

I wouldn't talk about education while using double negatives like that.

You're still missing that it's an analogy, huh? Or do you actually think poor people need to learn how to fish? OK let me spell it out for you then. Indigent people lack the training, the means of acquiring training, or the tools required for the lessons of that training. They need money to buy the tools, training to get the money, and money to get the training. As I said before: if you give them tools without training, or training without the means of acquiring the tools, it's useless. You need both.

Walk through this scenario: a poor man in an inner city has $50 to his name. He can crash at friend's houses, but that's all that's given to him. He gets a little money doing odd jobs, which keeps him fed. He has a GED, little clothes, nothing nice to wear to a job interview, and no personal transportation. Oh and he's starting to get sick. You tell me what metaphorical fishing pole he's going to pick up and use to catch a metaphorical fish.

Ohhh... never claimed to be an english major....

People need lots of things you fucking moron... but that in NO WAY means it is owed to them at the expense of others...

It's amazing the VOLUNTARY charities that help... what friends or family will do... what you can fucking get for a couple of bucks at goodwill... etc

It is you and your ilk that think these people are helpless

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Ok, so what did these people do before we held one segment of society at gunpoint till they paid their way?

They sold you guns.

Wow.. how did the desparately poor get guns? And why was I buying guns form them back in the 1800's? And how is that I have lived to be over 100?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

And you're not smart enough not to be in the desert trying to live? No wonder you're a liberal

And guess what.. you are responsible for your own education and training and tools as an adult....

I wouldn't talk about education while using double negatives like that.

You're still missing that it's an analogy, huh? Or do you actually think poor people need to learn how to fish? OK let me spell it out for you then. Indigent people lack the training, the means of acquiring training, or the tools required for the lessons of that training. They need money to buy the tools, training to get the money, and money to get the training. As I said before: if you give them tools without training, or training without the means of acquiring the tools, it's useless. You need both.

Walk through this scenario: a poor man in an inner city has $50 to his name. He can crash at friend's houses, but that's all that's given to him. He gets a little money doing odd jobs, which keeps him fed. He has a GED, little clothes, nothing nice to wear to a job interview, and no personal transportation. Oh and he's starting to get sick. You tell me what metaphorical fishing pole he's going to pick up and use to catch a metaphorical fish.

Ohhh... never claimed to be an english major....

People need lots of things you fucking moron... but that in NO WAY means it is owed to them at the expense of others...

It's amazing the VOLUNTARY charities that help... what friends or family will do... what you can fucking get for a couple of bucks at goodwill... etc

It is you and your ilk that think these people are helpless

Read the first sentence of his post.. he too is no English major.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

Ohhh... never claimed to be an english major....

Or attend middle school English classes, apparently.

People need lots of things you fucking moron... but that in NO WAY means it is owed to them at the expense of others...

It's amazing the VOLUNTARY charities that help... what friends or family will do... what you can fucking get for a couple of bucks at goodwill... etc

It is you and your ilk that think these people are helpless

There are times in life where people need help, yes. Take the scenario I just gave you that you avoided. Walk through it. How is that guy going to get out of his rut if he's barely feeding himself?

People do need a lot of things, but no one is proposing you give them everything they want. Training and resources needed for that training. That's all that I have recommended in this thread. These are bare minimum necessities to allow people to help themselves. I have yet to hear you propose another method. No, "a couple of bucks at goodwill" doesn't provide training for a job. It provides lunch for one day.

 

[DiamondDave]

Ohhh... never claimed to be an english major....

Or attend middle school English classes, apparently.

People need lots of things you fucking moron... but that in NO WAY means it is owed to them at the expense of others...

It's amazing the VOLUNTARY charities that help... what friends or family will do... what you can fucking get for a couple of bucks at goodwill... etc

It is you and your ilk that think these people are helpless

There are times in life where people need help, yes. Take the scenario I just gave you that you avoided. Walk through it. How is that guy going to get out of his rut if he's barely feeding himself?

People do need a lot of things, but no one is proposing you give them everything they want. Training and resources needed for that training. That's all that I have recommended in this thread. These are bare minimum necessities to allow people to help themselves. I have yet to hear you propose another method. No, "a couple of bucks at goodwill" doesn't provide training for a job. It provides lunch for one day.

What next??? Complaining that I use 3 dots to punctuate improperly?? Or that I just used the number '3' and did not type out the word 'three'??

Idiot

Nobody is OWED it just because they fucking exist... and while I call for people to give VOLUNTARILY to charities to help causes that speak to their hearts, I do not call for any program that forcibly makes people support others

As for training... get an entry level job... take advantage of any training the company offers... save a few bucks out of every paycheck and save for a community college class.... use a tuition reimbursement program.. the list goes on, buttwad

As for goodwill... he can get a cheap used suit and shoes for an interview... it was not suggested that goodwill was there for job training

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Ohhh... never claimed to be an english major....

Or attend middle school English classes, apparently.

People need lots of things you fucking moron... but that in NO WAY means it is owed to them at the expense of others...

It's amazing the VOLUNTARY charities that help... what friends or family will do... what you can fucking get for a couple of bucks at goodwill... etc

It is you and your ilk that think these people are helpless

There are times in life where people need help, yes. Take the scenario I just gave you that you avoided. Walk through it. How is that guy going to get out of his rut if he's barely feeding himself?

People do need a lot of things, but no one is proposing you give them everything they want. Training and resources needed for that training. That's all that I have recommended in this thread. These are bare minimum necessities to allow people to help themselves. I have yet to hear you propose another method. No, "a couple of bucks at goodwill" doesn't provide training for a job. It provides lunch for one day.

Agreed... but let';s admit it. There'd be a helluva lot more money available for training if we weren't providing free internet, cell phones, lunch money, mediucal care, and every other damned thing under the sun.

Simply put... you can't support yourself? Fine. We'll pay for daycare, you will attend training 5 days a week until finished and if you have any more kids while in the program... you're toast. Face it, if your adult child came to you and asked to be supported, wouldn't there be serious requirements before you would do so?

 

[chanel]

Can someone google how many job training programs there are for the poor? IIm on my PDA, but in my little town of Bumfuck, I know of at least a half dozen.

 

[Foxfyre]

I am a huge proponent of the public library system. My children have had cards since they were toddlers. Over the years, I have tutored dozens of suspended students at the local library. In order to use the computers, one must have a library card. Not ONE student I have worked with had one. So I offer to pay the 5 bucks myself. All they need is ID. Not ONE kid has taken up my offer. Why? Because they know once the tutoring is over, they will never visit the library again. Its heartbreaking to me. But as someone said, you can lead a horse to water..

Most teachers in my school do not require papers to be typed because many students claim they have no access to computers. The truth is they reject the access.

It costs nothing to get a library card here in Bernalillo County, NM. All you need is a name and a local mailing address. But alas, the results are much the same for the poor kids. You know who uses the public libraries? Mostly people over 40 or 50 and the homeschooled kids. The homeschooled kids are becoming a larger and larger force to be reckoned with though and they may be what saves our local library branches from the inevitable budget cuts.