Freedom is not cheap

[TNHarley]

To take that statement literally, I would say it is false on its face. Criminals do not have more freedom now.

To take it another way, you seem to be suggesting that things you think should be crimes are no longer crimes. Which merely supports my statement that we are more free today than we have been in the past.

If I am wrong on both counts, you'll have to explain what you meant.

They get let out, illegals gettign amnesty(on our dollar), they get tv etc. And the left seems to want to abolish criminal punishment. Death penalty, illegals, The OP that TinyDancer did about the rapists (just a general outlook) etc

Someone here did make a comment which I thought was both astute and true. It went, "Freedom is not cheap".

So you think my above examples deserve freedom?

 

[PratchettFan]

They get let out, illegals gettign amnesty(on our dollar), they get tv etc. And the left seems to want to abolish criminal punishment. Death penalty, illegals, The OP that TinyDancer did about the rapists (just a general outlook) etc

Someone here did make a comment which I thought was both astute and true. It went, "Freedom is not cheap".

So you think my above examples deserve freedom?

Do I think illegal aliens deserve freedom? Certainly. I think everyone deserves freedom. However, as I said before, freedom has to have limits. I also think that if you are going to apply limits to freedom, there should be some rational reason for doing so.

 

[TNHarley]

Illegal does not mean shit to you , does it? Even though us AMERICANS are the ones hurt by it.
They are just felons, lets give them healthcare, money, food, housing etc
Hopefully not too many Americans will up shitcreek..

 

[auditor0007]

Freedom is not cheap
We have the freedom to carry guns. It gets talked about (by the far left) that no one needs them because kids got slaughtered(IDC if you bring up every murder, nobody gave 2 shits before the Sandy hook tragedy. At least the way it is now) PEople will kill. It is the price of freedom
We have the right to drink whatever we want. Sure, people will lose theirself and get fat. It is a chance you take with FREEDOM
I could go on and on and on, but you should get the point
Freedom was NEVER easy. You think the framers and founders had it easy getting us started up? HELL NO
Basically freedom is not easy. Quit acting on emotion, get over it and embrace what we have, can have, and can do.
It is not worth losing freedom for hundreds of millions of Americans because a few get fucked over. It is the price we pay
FREEDOM is not cheap or easy

Having freedom allows us to set rules and guidelines to live by. If the vast majority support banning 44 oz sodas, then that is part of having freedom. Now, if that ban actually harms someone, then there is a problem; however, if it just inconveniences someone, that is not harm, so nobody's freedom has been infringed upon. The best thing about freedom though, is that when someone comes up with a stupid rule like a ban on 44 oz sodas, people have the ability to speak out and see that the rule doesn't go into effect. That is real freedom, having the ability to enact good laws when necessary, and to get rid of them when they are stupid. It doesn't mean we can't enact laws or regulations just because some people don't like them.

 

[PratchettFan]

Illegal does not mean shit to you , does it? Even though us AMERICANS are the ones hurt by it.
They are just felons, lets give them healthcare, money, food, housing etc
Hopefully not too many Americans will up shitcreek..

As I said, there has to be a rational reason to limit freedom. I believe the current amnesty is for children who have essentially grown up here, have no criminal record and have every expectation of being excellent citizens. Do I think they deserve freedom? Absolutely. There is not even a tiny doubt in my mind on that.

I'll tell you, it really sounds like your issue here is not that there is too little freedom but that there is too much.

 

[Erand7899]

I agree. I would extend what you said to say that freedom is not simple. Freedom only exists in a delicate balance between totalitarianism and anarchy. Freedom only has meaning in the context of a society and that society must be healthy for freedom to exist. No society can remain healthy without limitations placed upon freedom.

I concur
However, the "limitations" of today are anything but limitations. It is extermination. A little extreme of a word, but does its job

I see. Limiting the freedom to own war weopons to those who can pass the stringent background checks is a limit on your freedom. If that is the case, you have just made the case for not allowing you to own such a weopon.

A freedom that requires government permission is not really a freedom, it is a temporary permit. Would you accept the freedom to speak, only if the government considers you to be an upstanding person, in good stead with the government? Would you accept the freedom to exercise your religion, only if the government approves that religion, or approves of you being a member of that religion?

 

[peach174]

Freedom is not cheap
We have the freedom to carry guns. It gets talked about (by the far left) that no one needs them because kids got slaughtered(IDC if you bring up every murder, nobody gave 2 shits before the Sandy hook tragedy. At least the way it is now) PEople will kill. It is the price of freedom
We have the right to drink whatever we want. Sure, people will lose theirself and get fat. It is a chance you take with FREEDOM
I could go on and on and on, but you should get the point
Freedom was NEVER easy. You think the framers and founders had it easy getting us started up? HELL NO
Basically freedom is not easy. Quit acting on emotion, get over it and embrace what we have, can have, and can do.
It is not worth losing freedom for hundreds of millions of Americans because a few get fucked over. It is the price we pay
FREEDOM is not cheap or easy

Having freedom allows us to set rules and guidelines to live by. If the vast majority support banning 44 oz sodas, then that is part of having freedom. Now, if that ban actually harms someone, then there is a problem; however, if it just inconveniences someone, that is not harm, so nobody's freedom has been infringed upon. The best thing about freedom though, is that when someone comes up with a stupid rule like a ban on 44 oz sodas, people have the ability to speak out and see that the rule doesn't go into effect. That is real freedom, having the ability to enact good laws when necessary, and to get rid of them when they are stupid. It doesn't mean we can't enact laws or regulations just because some people don't like them.

How about Bloomberg actually recognizing that he can't do what he did as a Government official, because of our Constitution,instead of the people having to take it to court to stop it.

Court ruled
Judge Stops Bloomberg's NYC Ban On Large, Sugary Drinks | The Chappaqua Daily Voice

meaning of arbitrary & capricious
ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS - Absence of a rational connection between the facts found and the choice made. Natural Resources. v. U.S., 966 F.2d 1292, 97, (9th Cir.'92). A clear error of judgment; an action not based upon consideration of relevant factors and so is arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion or otherwise not in accordance with law or if it was taken without observance of procedure required by law. 5 USC. 706(2)(A) (1988). http://www.lectlaw.com/def/a064.htm;

I'm getting sick and tired of our Government officials who thinks that they can make any kind of laws that they want to and then the courts have to make the ruling on their decisions.

 

[Spoonman]

for some the freedom to VOTE is infringed.

why does the republican party keep doing that to black voters?

how?

 

[PratchettFan]

I concur
However, the "limitations" of today are anything but limitations. It is extermination. A little extreme of a word, but does its job

I see. Limiting the freedom to own war weopons to those who can pass the stringent background checks is a limit on your freedom. If that is the case, you have just made the case for not allowing you to own such a weopon.

A freedom that requires government permission is not really a freedom, it is a temporary permit. Would you accept the freedom to speak, only if the government considers you to be an upstanding person, in good stead with the government? Would you accept the freedom to exercise your religion, only if the government approves that religion, or approves of you being a member of that religion?

There is no such thing as unlimited freedom. If you consider that not to be freedom, then there is no such thing as freedom at all. Unless you wish to move somewhere there are no other human beings. By virtue of choosing to remain in a society, you automatically give up some level of freedom.