Freedom of Religious Opinion? Not If You're Phil Robertson

[Pogo]

At least you and most others on the right are consistent in your hate and ignorance.

No one's 'basic liberty' is being 'attacked.' This isn't a First Amendment, free speech issue.

The left portrays rights as privilege granted by our benevolent rulers out of the goodness of their hearts.

Of course civil rights are not granted by government, they can only be infringed by government.

The Ku Klux Klan, though part of the Democratic Party, was not a government entity, yet sane people recognize that what the KKK did was an infringement of civil rights. Sane people grasp that civil rights can be violated by non-government entities.

The campaign of demagoguery against Phil Robertson is typical of the intimidation tactics that define the shameful democrats. Any expression that is at odds with DNC dogma is met with an onslaught of slander and libel from a hundred directions by the party press, with the intent of destroying the person and reputation of the victim.

Of course it is a civil rights issue, and you are at war to end civil rights - as is the left in general.

The KKK has never been a part of any political party, Pothead. Read a book someday.

Here's a good spot:

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

UPDATE


Facebook Bans Member Who Created 'Boycott A&E Until Phil Robertson Is Put Back On Duck Dynasty” For Generating Too Much Support

The Facebook page “Boycott A&E Until Phil Robertson Is Put Back On Duck Dynasty” is still up with over 1.6 million likes but rather than take that page down creating more outrage, they suspend the creators account.



Facebook bans admin of new 'Boycott A&E' page for generating too much support - Columbia Independent | Examiner.com

 

[TemplarKormac]

What basic freedom is being attacked by me?

Despite what your party claims, "freedom of speech" is not the right to say what the party tells us to say.

You seek to destroy a man for stating views in a magazine interview that you don't agree with.

Queers are intolerant and attacking basic liberty. Fuck em'

At least you and most others on the right are consistent in your hate and ignorance.

No one's 'basic liberty' is being 'attacked.' This isn't a First Amendment, free speech issue.

No it's a tolerance issue. The fact you call him hateful and ignorant means you lack any quantum thereof of "tolerance."

 

[WelfareQueen]

The definition of racism used above exactly fits the definition of redneck (i.e. "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.").



"Redneck is a derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the Southern United States.[1][2] It is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 2000s, the term had expanded in meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack white Southern conservatives. The term is used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]

 

[Uncensored2008]

The KKK has never been a part of any political party, Pothead. Read a book someday.

Here's a good spot:

Ah lying, the first and only refuge of the left.

{The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.

The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbu More..ilders and published in his book "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White," which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.

"Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings."

Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves and, to this day, the party website ignores those decades of racism, he said. }

History Of The Democrats And The KKK.....(Why the Democrats started the KKK)

Hey though, if you lie enough, you can change reality - or at least that's what your handlers and DailyKOS told you....

 

[Pogo]

The definition of racism used above exactly fits the definition of redneck (i.e. "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.").



"Redneck is a derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the Southern United States.[1][2] It is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 2000s, the term had expanded in meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack white Southern conservatives. The term is used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]

Again stupid, it doesn't fucking matter who it's generally applied to. If it doesn't designate a belief that one race is superior or inferior, then it doesn't fit the definition. Period.

 

[JimH52]

The latest statement from the Robertson family appears to indicate that they will pull the plug on future filming unless Phil is reinstated. A&E will lose big time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

This should come as no surprise whatsoever to the sane people on the board:

It seems our Mr. Kormac had a much different opinion of employee's constitutional rights vs. employers' rights

when TK didn't like the content of what the employees were saying or doing:

From 3 months ago, subject, minimum wage protests:

TK:

"How about these fast food workers sit down and shut the hell up. If they want more pay, they need to go to college. I am not paying you 15 bucks an hour to flip burgers. I hope each and every one of them are fired for their little outburst. Maybe it will teach them to be happy with what they have."


Dance, pardner...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ort-the-fast-food-workers-20.html#post7774082

Sure, I was acknowledging the employers right to fire them for not working, a condition they agreed to when they began work. Their actions were motivated by pure greed. They should be fired, they violated the trust of their employers and showed a wanton lack of gratefulness for the jobs and money they were earning. I have zero tolerance for ungratefulness and open displays of defiance, I have more tolerance for freedom of opinion. I stand by that opinion 100%. I acknowledge the fact A&E has the same right to suspend someone for having an opinion. As preposterous and outlandish as I may see it.

And by the way, I can't dance to save my life, pardner.

bwaaaa....

that was strictly ballroom.

 

[rightwinger]

What a sad, angry little man. All you have is name calling. Very sad.


Here is the definition again. Let us know what you don't understand. Okay?


Redneck is a derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the Southern United States.[1][2] It is similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[3] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[4][5][6]

By the 2000s, the term had expanded in meaning to refer to bigoted, loutish reactionaries who are opposed to modern ways,[7] and has often been used to attack white Southern conservatives. The term is used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[8] At the same time, some Southern whites have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[9]

Listen Goober

You reap what you sow....that is in the Bible

In the case of Civil Rights, the south has sown hatred, terrorism, racism, lynching and subjugation of an entire class of citizens

Don't whine about how poor southerners are characterized

Girlfriend...the North has been just as complicit in racism in America as the South. Ben Franklin owned slaves. Alexander Hamilton owned slaves. Jim Crow became the law of the Land via a Supreme Court decision Plessy vs Ferguson. The majority opinion was written by a justice from Massachusetts.

Plessy v. Ferguson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Racism is an American problem....not a southern problem. To say otherwise is both ignorant and bigoted.

Nice try Hayseed
But....but......everybody else does it

Jim Crow was a peculiar Southern institution that was formally and informally enforced throughout the south. When challenged, they resorted to terrorism, threats and legal challenges to ensure that blacks would forever know their place

 

[WelfareQueen]

The KKK has never been a part of any political party, Pothead. Read a book someday.

Here's a good spot:

Ah lying, the first and only refuge of the left.

{The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.

The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbu More..ilders and published in his book "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White," which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.

"Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings."

Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves and, to this day, the party website ignores those decades of racism, he said. }

History Of The Democrats And The KKK.....(Why the Democrats started the KKK)

Hey though, if you lie enough, you can change reality - or at least that's what your handlers and DailyKOS told you....

Pogo likes to name call. I guess he has hissy-fits or something. Here is a quote from wiki.


In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party, the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life.[45]

 

[Sallow]

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Wow, 38 pages of posts already.

I'm curious: Has anyone tried to explain precisely how punishing people and intimidating people, simply for saying what they're thinking, is going to open communication and heal the nasty divisions and animosities that plague our country?

Or does anyone really give a shit?

.

Who's doing that?

 

[Pogo]

The KKK has never been a part of any political party, Pothead. Read a book someday.

Here's a good spot:

Ah lying, the first and only refuge of the left.

{The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.

The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbu More..ilders and published in his book "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White," which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.

"Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings."

Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves and, to this day, the party website ignores those decades of racism, he said. }

History Of The Democrats And The KKK.....(Why the Democrats started the KKK)

Hey though, if you lie enough, you can change reality - or at least that's what your handlers and DailyKOS told you....

Oh please. Once again for the thick of skull -- the KKK was founded by half a dozen Confederate soldiers (former solders by then) around a campfire. It has never been a political organization. It describes itself as a social organization. Any time it even remotely got into politics, such as getting its members elected, they did so as Democrats in the South and as Republicans in the North and West. As far as political thrust the only candidate they ever actually pushed into a major office was Edward Jackson, governor of Indiana. A Republican. The only minor office they campaigned for and got was some city council seats in Anaheim. Again, as Republicans.

So you're saying the Democratic Party works to get Republicans elected.

Dumbass.

 

[Dutch]

I would like to add - his Jim Crowe comments had me more aghast then the gay ones, and I doubt that I'm alone, so. Yeah. That piece of the puzzle absolutely fits in this discussion.

The guy has used his newfound celebrity to spout his extremist views. He has every right to do so, and his network has every right to pull him for doing it

Frankly, the guy is kind of creepy

How is saying he believes in the teachings in the Bible "extreme"?
When God told Noah to put two of each species of animal in the ark God didn't say: "It doesn't matter if both the lions are male" right?
All animal life on the planet is the result what happens after a male and a female mate. To all you 'boyz who pee sitting down' that result was YOU right?

And Barbies boyfriend Ken has no penis. We are talking about real people here not fairy tales.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Listen Goober

You reap what you sow....that is in the Bible

In the case of Civil Rights, the south has sown hatred, terrorism, racism, lynching and subjugation of an entire class of citizens

Don't whine about how poor southerners are characterized

Girlfriend...the North has been just as complicit in racism in America as the South. Ben Franklin owned slaves. Alexander Hamilton owned slaves. Jim Crow became the law of the Land via a Supreme Court decision Plessy vs Ferguson. The majority opinion was written by a justice from Massachusetts.

Plessy v. Ferguson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Racism is an American problem....not a southern problem. To say otherwise is both ignorant and bigoted.

Nice try Hayseed
But....but......everybody else does it

Jim Crow was a peculiar Southern institution that was formally and informally enforced throughout the south. When challenged, they resorted to terrorism, threats and legal challenges to ensure that blacks would forever know their place

Jim Crow was the Law of the land and just as prevalent in the North. The Supreme Court Justice from Massachusetts wrote the majority opinion making Jim Crow the Law of the land. I provided you the link. You have not disputed it.

 

[BlindBoo]

At least you and most others on the right are consistent in your hate and ignorance.

No one's 'basic liberty' is being 'attacked.' This isn't a First Amendment, free speech issue.

The left portrays rights as privilege granted by our benevolent rulers out of the goodness of their hearts.

Of course civil rights are not granted by government, they can only be infringed by government.

The Ku Klux Klan, though part of the Democratic Party, was not a government entity, yet sane people recognize that what the KKK did was an infringement of civil rights. Sane people grasp that civil rights can be violated by non-government entities.

The campaign of demagoguery against Phil Robertson is typical of the intimidation tactics that define the shameful democrats. Any expression that is at odds with DNC dogma is met with an onslaught of slander and libel from a hundred directions by the party press, with the intent of destroying the person and reputation of the victim.

Of course it is a civil rights issue, and you are at war to end civil rights - as is the left in general.

Phil is free to say whatever he wants. No one has hunted him down in the middle of the night, torture or hung him from a tree for his family to find later. A&E has every right to do whatever it feels is in it's best interest as well, even to the point of firing Phil.

 

[Pogo]

The latest statement from the Robertson family appears to indicate that they will pull the plug on future filming unless Phil is reinstated. A&E will lose big time.

If so, considering what it was they were making money on, it's hard to see it as "losing". Maybe they'll aim a bit higher.

I can dream, can't I?

 

[percysunshine]

Even the political left is on Phils side...this is getting weird;

Change.org Users Love Duck Dynasty


By Betsy Woodruff

December 19, 2013 4:20 PM
Users of Change.org — a site famous for progresive-leaning online petitions — has gone all out for Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson. By 2 p.m. today, there were more than 120,000 total signatories on a host of petitions calling for A&E to lift its suspension of the redneck icon. That’s a lot of people, but it’s especially a lot of people for a site with verticals dedicated to Economic Justice, Sustainable Food, and Gay Rights. Per communications manager Megan Lubin, one petition was started by a woman who identifies herself as bisexual. One petition has more than 52,000 signatories. Another has nearly 65,000. One of the pro–Duck Dynasty petitions has top billing on the site’s homepage, sharing real estate with petitions calling for an American Idol alum to cancel a performance at SeaWorld because of the conditions of its animals and for Ikea to support LGBT people in Russia. And a perusal of search results for “Phil Robertson” didn’t show any petitions supporting A&E’s decision to suspend him.

http://www.change.org/petitions/a-e-network-bring-phil-robertson-back

http://www.change.org/petitions/a-e-networks-end-the-wrongful-suspension-of-phil-robertson

 

[NYcarbineer]

.

I'm curious: Has anyone tried to explain precisely how punishing people and intimidating people, simply for saying what they're thinking, is going to open communication and heal the nasty divisions and animosities that plague our country?

Or does anyone really give a shit?

.

Anyone?

http://watchmenweekly.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/bueller.jpg[/IMG[/QUOTE]

The first step might be to stop defending the people you agree with, and attacking the people you don't,

when they've done essentially the same thing.

 

[Mac1958]

.

Wow, 38 pages of posts already.

I'm curious: Has anyone tried to explain precisely how punishing people and intimidating people, simply for saying what they're thinking, is going to open communication and heal the nasty divisions and animosities that plague our country?

Or does anyone really give a shit?

.

Who's doing that?

.

 

[TemplarKormac]

This should come as no surprise whatsoever to the sane people on the board:

It seems our Mr. Kormac had a much different opinion of employee's constitutional rights vs. employers' rights

when TK didn't like the content of what the employees were saying or doing:

From 3 months ago, subject, minimum wage protests:

TK:

"How about these fast food workers sit down and shut the hell up. If they want more pay, they need to go to college. I am not paying you 15 bucks an hour to flip burgers. I hope each and every one of them are fired for their little outburst. Maybe it will teach them to be happy with what they have."


Dance, pardner...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/curre...ort-the-fast-food-workers-20.html#post7774082

Sure, I was acknowledging the employers right to fire them for not working, a condition they agreed to when they began work. Their actions were motivated by pure greed. They should be fired, they violated the trust of their employers and showed a wanton lack of gratefulness for the jobs and money they were earning. I have zero tolerance for ungratefulness and open displays of defiance, I have more tolerance for freedom of opinion. I stand by that opinion 100%. I acknowledge the fact A&E has the same right to suspend someone for having an opinion. As preposterous and outlandish as I may see it.

And by the way, I can't dance to save my life, pardner.

bwaaaa....

that was strictly ballroom.

I will gladly show you my two left feet.