Freedom of Religious Opinion? Not If You're Phil Robertson

[Redfish]

Read carefully: A&E is not public domain. Neither is GQ magazine. They control the content of their programming and publications because it's a free country and the federal gov't can not interfere. It was A&E's call. Sort of like it was MSNBC's call to dismiss Martin Bashir. Get it now?

NO one has said that A&E did not have the right to let him go, and/or cancel the show. Just like the rest of the family can tell A&E to stick it and stop doing shows for them.

The reall issue here is hypocrisy. Say one negative thing about gays, muslims, blacks, or any other minority and you are to be destroyed by the media. Say one negative thing about Christians, whites, or southerners and you are a hero of the left.

Political correctness is nothing but group think or mind control. Punish anyone who dares disagree with the masters who decide what is right and wrong.

You lefties support this crap and you don't realize that it is destroying your freedoms as well as ours.

I addressed the question of the OP with facts. You are bloviating with opinion.

what I said is fact, not opinion.

 

[Pheonixops]

Yeah, if you read what he said, he isn't one to judge, whatever failing a person has, it is between them and god. His job is to spread the gospel. Second, he tilled the fields with blacks, he never once slandered them.

So yes, I agree, simply because unlike the lot of you, I did read the GQ interview.

He said blacks were happier in the pre-civil rights era.

Yeah, when he tilled the fields with them, side by side, picked cotton with them, he has a unique perspective that you don't. He never once heard a black man or woman badmouth whites.

He must have been an outcast in his community and completely out of touch with the sentiments of the Black people in that area as well. This is worth repeating:

Thanks for the laugh! It seems like you and the Duck guy are trying to say that "The Blacks" were happier when they were treated like second class citizens and "knew their place". Do you really think that the Blacks in the Jim Crow South (Caddo Parish specifically) would express their angst to a white Southerner? Do you know what happened to some Blacks who didn't "know their place"? If they were so "happy" and "content", why did the "conservative's" hero MLK Jr, and other Southern Black people march and protest to stop being treated like second class citizens???

This is what was happening in Caddo Parish when the Duck guy was a kid, he was born in 1946, below demonstrates that it wasn't so "happy" for "the Blacks" in that Parish:
"During the 1950s, Shreveport whites became fervent in their opposition
to integration of any kind. In 1956, after voting against a proposed
bill exempting the Sugar Bowl from a new law prohibiting interracial activities,
State Representative Wellborn Jack of Shreveport promised that
“the Shreveport Citizens Council can always depend on me to take a
stand 100% for segregation and 100% against integration.”

"That year, after the four little girls were killed in Birmingham,
citizens (Caddo Parish)attempted to hold a memorial march at the Little Union
Baptist Church in Shreveport. Shreveport Public Safety Commissioner
George D’Artois had denied a permit for the demonstration, publicly declaring
that the demonstrators “want to destroy our American way of
life.”93 On the day of the memorial, hundreds of helmeted police officers
arrived at the church, armed with shotguns, tear-gas, and Billy-clubs, and
cordoned off the area. As people left the church after the memorial service,
officers drew their guns and severely beat dozens of demonstrators
and clergymen; D’Artois himself joined in.94"

"The next day, students at Booker T. Washington High School attempted
to march downtown but were met by police officers firing tear
gas grenades and kicking and beating them back inside the school.95 A
day after that, D’Artois called officers to surround the J.S. Clark Junior
High School, where several hundred students held a lunchtime rally.
When the students yelled “freedom” at the police, D’Artois sent officers
into the schoolyard to silence the protest.96 Following the beating of the
NAACP branch president and the suppression of every planned demonstration,
CORE and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference pulled
out of Shreveport, and the city saw little public protest for the remainder
of the decade."

For people who are interested, here's the link:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...zI5kyCyqSuFaNdA&bvm=bv.58187178,d.aWc&cad=rja

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

I addressed the question of the OP with facts. You are bloviating with opinion.

What facts? Other than your contention that Phil Robertson is a bigoted racist? Sure, facts. Carry on.

He don't like gays and blacks.

What does that make him, exactly?

Phils own adopted grandson is black and is seen on the show showing the young kid love.

 

[Pogo]

Have you forgotten about Sen. Byrd?

Byrd didn't get elected by the KKK. He actually hid it. It was brought out by an election opponent. From his own party IIRC.

I never said that he did.
Byrd as well as other KKK members were part of the Democratic Political Party.

And of the Republican Party. And of other parties, and of no party at all.

So?

 

[bodecea]

Yeah, that's what Grand Kleagle Robert Byrd said, stupid fuck...

Hey, if you lie enough, you can change reality!

The KKK was the terrorist wing of the democratic party - pure fact.

Pure idiocy you mean.

That's why the DP worked to get Republicans elected in Indiana and California right? Historical revision is the crutch of liars who can't be bothered to research.

I happen to have extensive research on this, so I have an unfair advantage. The KKK was undeniably a terrorist organization but was never a political one. It opposed civil rights, Catholics, Jews and loose women. They stood for a preservation of an older time -- a conservatism of cultural values -- not a political agenda.

But hey, feel free to put some meat on the bones of that canard.

As the old saying goes, those who ignore their own history are doomed to embarrass themselves with really stupid posts on message boards under names like Uncensored and Welfare Queen.

the fact remains-------most KKK members were democrats. Rant all you want, you cannot change that fact.

Most Southerners were Democrats were KKK members

 

[TemplarKormac]

Read carefully: A&E is not public domain. Neither is GQ magazine. They control the content of their programming and publications because it's a free country and the federal gov't can not interfere. It was A&E's call. Sort of like it was MSNBC's call to dismiss Martin Bashir. Get it now?

So if it were "a free country" (hypothetically) why can A&E maintain it's rights to free speech while contracting others to give up theirs (hypothetically)?

Bashir resigned. It took three weeks from the time he made the comment to the time he stepped down.

Don't kid yourself; Bashir was fired. You don't resign at the nadir of your value.

If even one of the most liberally biased news outlets on the internet says he resigned, then he resigned.

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC Following Sarah Palin Comments

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC Over Palin Comments - NY Times

Note the common theme: 'resigned' not 'dismissed' not 'fired' but 'resigned' or 'resigns' or 'quits'

Martin Bashir resigns from MSNBC - POLITICO.com

MSNBC host Martin Bashir resigns over Palin remarks - U.S. News

Martin Bashir quits at MSNBC over Palin slur | Fox News

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC | TheBlaze.com

And if he were 'fired' then why did it take three weeks for them to do so? I believe he was under more scrutiny from activist groups than his employer.

 

[Redfish]

Byrd found redemption by denouncing the illegal and unethical invasion of Iraq.
It's a stellar speech: "This is not a war of necessity, but a war of choice"

Senator Byrd's Speech Opposing Iraq War 3/19/03 Part 1 - YouTube

He was right about that, but explain how that excuses his previous racism and KKK membership.

Explain how it's related.

read NTPP's post, he claimed that Byrds position on the war was "redemption" for his past racism and KKK membership

 

[Pogo]

NO one has said that A&E did not have the right to let him go, and/or cancel the show. Just like the rest of the family can tell A&E to stick it and stop doing shows for them.

The reall issue here is hypocrisy. Say one negative thing about gays, muslims, blacks, or any other minority and you are to be destroyed by the media. Say one negative thing about Christians, whites, or southerners and you are a hero of the left.

Political correctness is nothing but group think or mind control. Punish anyone who dares disagree with the masters who decide what is right and wrong.

You lefties support this crap and you don't realize that it is destroying your freedoms as well as ours.

I addressed the question of the OP with facts. You are bloviating with opinion.

what I said is fact, not opinion.

No Squeaky, that's entirely opinion. Learn the difference.

 

[bodecea]

What facts? Other than your contention that Phil Robertson is a bigoted racist? Sure, facts. Carry on.

He don't like gays and blacks.

What does that make him, exactly?

Phils own adopted grandson is black and is seen on the show showing the young kid love.

How photo-opish. Or is it?

 

[Redfish]

Pure idiocy you mean.

That's why the DP worked to get Republicans elected in Indiana and California right? Historical revision is the crutch of liars who can't be bothered to research.

I happen to have extensive research on this, so I have an unfair advantage. The KKK was undeniably a terrorist organization but was never a political one. It opposed civil rights, Catholics, Jews and loose women. They stood for a preservation of an older time -- a conservatism of cultural values -- not a political agenda.

But hey, feel free to put some meat on the bones of that canard.

As the old saying goes, those who ignore their own history are doomed to embarrass themselves with really stupid posts on message boards under names like Uncensored and Welfare Queen.

the fact remains-------most KKK members were democrats. Rant all you want, you cannot change that fact.

Most Southerners were Democrats were KKK members

you need to study some history. The KKK was very large and active in the mid west, the northwest, and the northeast. Ohio had a huge klan membership.

 

[Pogo]

So if it were "a free country" (hypothetically) why can A&E maintain it's rights to free speech while contracting others to give up theirs (hypothetically)?

Bashir resigned. It took three weeks from the time he made the comment to the time he stepped down.

Don't kid yourself; Bashir was fired. You don't resign at the nadir of your value.

If even one of the most liberally biased news outlets on the internet says he resigned, then he resigned.

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC Following Sarah Palin Comments

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/b...igns-from-msnbc-over-palin-comments.html?_r=0

Note the common theme: 'resigned' not 'dismissed' not 'fired' but 'resigned' or 'resigns' or 'quits'

Martin Bashir resigns from MSNBC - POLITICO.com

MSNBC host Martin Bashir resigns over Palin remarks - U.S. News

Martin Bashir quits at MSNBC over Palin slur | Fox News

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC | TheBlaze.com

Oh please TK, you're being naive. Nobody in broadcasting gets "fired" officially, and everybody who either doesn't bring the ratings or embarrasses their employer gets fired. Bashir was fired just as Beck was fired. Read between the lines.

 

[Redfish]

He don't like gays and blacks.

What does that make him, exactly?

Phils own adopted grandson is black and is seen on the show showing the young kid love.

How photo-opish. Or is it?

yeah, he really hates the kid----------you fucking moron.

 

[Redfish]

I addressed the question of the OP with facts. You are bloviating with opinion.

what I said is fact, not opinion.

No Squeaky, that's entirely opinion. Learn the difference.

No, stick. Fact, you are the one who needs to study your Websters

 

[Redfish]

Don't kid yourself; Bashir was fired. You don't resign at the nadir of your value.

If even one of the most liberally biased news outlets on the internet says he resigned, then he resigned.

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC Following Sarah Palin Comments

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/b...igns-from-msnbc-over-palin-comments.html?_r=0

Note the common theme: 'resigned' not 'dismissed' not 'fired' but 'resigned' or 'resigns' or 'quits'

Martin Bashir resigns from MSNBC - POLITICO.com

MSNBC host Martin Bashir resigns over Palin remarks - U.S. News

Martin Bashir quits at MSNBC over Palin slur | Fox News

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC | TheBlaze.com

Oh please TK, you're being naive. Nobody in broadcasting gets "fired" officially, and everybody who either doesn't bring the ratings or embarrasses their employer gets fired. Bashir was fired just as Beck was fired. Read between the lines.

True, he was fired. move on

 

[bodecea]

the fact remains-------most KKK members were democrats. Rant all you want, you cannot change that fact.

Most Southerners were Democrats were KKK members

you need to study some history. The KKK was very large and active in the mid west, the northwest, and the northeast. Ohio had a huge klan membership.

As did Indiana.

But, let's get to the crux of the matter. Are you saying that the Democrats of the 1860s-1950s the same Democrats as today with the same policies and platform?

 

[bodecea]

Phils own adopted grandson is black and is seen on the show showing the young kid love.

How photo-opish. Or is it?

yeah, he really hates the kid----------you fucking moron.

Did I say that? Or is that the voice in your head saying that?

 

[Pheonixops]

I didn't say anything about Obamaphones...

And how would you know what it was like for pre Civil Rights era African Americans? My great grandfather took in blacks to work on his field for room and board, and a good home cooked meal from my great grandmother. My grandmother has told me numerous stories from her days on the farm about how she and her parents bucked the trend in rural Georgia and treated black people with dignity, a good 25 years before the Civil Rights movement began.

You can't assume to know the first thing about that era. Frankly I have you trumped. I've got people in my family who lived it.

Your quote

Are things better today? With all the affirmative action, all the quotas, all the welfare, all the free obamaphones

You should be very proud of your family. But never forget, blacks were required to know their place. Yes, they could work for a white family and be treated fairly. But if they ever tried to act equal or superior to whites they were quickly and severly dealt with. Those blacks who worked for your family could not eat at local restaurants, could not use public restrooms, dared not be seen in white neighborhoods after dark

Those were the good ole days that Robertson remembers

Not everywhere certainly. Perhaps in a few places like Selma Alabama, but segregation was not widespread. The good ole days that Robertson remembers (from his statements) are the days when he and black men worked side by side hoeing cotton in the fields. Black men and white men working side by side at labor so menial it is only done by mexicans today. Who would have thought? Today black men are killing other black men for their fancy shoes.

Poor whites and Blacks have been pitted against each other since the days of slavery. Their relationship was pretty much adversarial because they were competing for resources (jobs) and "status". The poor whites did not want to be on the same social scale as the Blacks. You can see that dynamic in the past between the Irish/Italians vs. "The Blacks" in New York, it was definitely worse in the South (see Jim Crow).

 

[TemplarKormac]

Don't kid yourself; Bashir was fired. You don't resign at the nadir of your value.

If even one of the most liberally biased news outlets on the internet says he resigned, then he resigned.

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC Following Sarah Palin Comments

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/b...igns-from-msnbc-over-palin-comments.html?_r=0

Note the common theme: 'resigned' not 'dismissed' not 'fired' but 'resigned' or 'resigns' or 'quits'

Martin Bashir resigns from MSNBC - POLITICO.com

MSNBC host Martin Bashir resigns over Palin remarks - U.S. News

Martin Bashir quits at MSNBC over Palin slur | Fox News

Martin Bashir Resigns From MSNBC | TheBlaze.com

Oh please TK, you're being naive. Nobody in broadcasting gets "fired" officially, and everybody who either doesn't bring the ratings or embarrasses their employer gets fired. Bashir was fired just as Beck was fired. Read between the lines.

You're being onerous.

Martin Bashir had been there for years. A good bit longer than Beck was with Fox.

“Upon further reflection, and after meeting with the president of MSNBC, I have tendered my resignation. It is my sincere hope that all of my colleagues, at this special network, will be allowed to focus on the issues that matter without the distraction of myself or my ill-judged comments.”

Such specific terminology does not indicate termination. Note the lack of a press release by the network indicating he was 'relieved of his duties.'

 

[Redfish]

Most Southerners were Democrats were KKK members

you need to study some history. The KKK was very large and active in the mid west, the northwest, and the northeast. Ohio had a huge klan membership.

As did Indiana.

But, let's get to the crux of the matter. Are you saying that the Democrats of the 1860s-1950s the same Democrats as today with the same policies and platform?

of course not. The democrat party of today is the party of huge government, high taxes, weak military, gay marriage, abortion on demand, huge ever-growing national debt, open borders, high unemployment, high poverty rates, socialistic medicine, kow towing to our enemies.

not even close to the dems of the past.

 

[BlindBoo]

I know some of you watch Duck Dynasty and probably heard that Phil Robertson was suspended by A&E for his opinion on homosexuality. He had the gall to quote 1 Corinthians 6:9 and express himself openly about his opposition to gay marriage. Groups like GLAAD came out in support of the suspension. Don't you find it odd that people like Martin Bashir get a pass for their intolerance toward conservative women, but people like Phil Robertson are being targeted for their beliefs?

Should TV Networks silence religious speech for the political sensibilities of others? As most of you were aware, Chick-Fil-A came under similar scrutiny by gay rights organizations for its views on homosexuality last year. The response from the public was overwhelming, as the restaurant experienced booming profits from the ordeal. Suffice it to say, ratings for the show may experience similar results.

Should Phil Robertson be suspended for his comments in GQ? Or should he be allowed to express himself as he is allowed to by the the First Amendment?

Read carefully: A&E is not public domain. Neither is GQ magazine. They control the content of their programming and publications because it's a free country and the federal gov't can not interfere. It was A&E's call. Sort of like it was MSNBC's call to dismiss Martin Bashir. Get it now?

NO one has said that A&E did not have the right to let him go, and/or cancel the show. Just like the rest of the family can tell A&E to stick it and stop doing shows for them.

The reall issue here is hypocrisy. Say one negative thing about gays, muslims, blacks, or any other minority and you are to be destroyed by the media. Say one negative thing about Christians, whites, or southerners and you are a hero of the left.

Political correctness is nothing but group think or mind control. Punish anyone who dares disagree with the masters who decide what is right and wrong.

You lefties support this crap and you don't realize that it is destroying your freedoms as well as ours.

Oh I don't know, lumping gays in with bestiality and claiming that Jim Crow era Colored folks didn't sing the Blues is hardly one thing!

"Happy Holidays"