Frivolous litigants crucified by court-Rachel Maddow melts down

[JoeB131]

Moron.....that is the law now.........if you are caught providing guns for felons you are arrested....the gun dealer is in the clear moron because the original buyer passed the background check....moron......and of course when they know the buyer is an actual straw purchaser they inform the police....unless of course it is the obama justice dept. that orders them to complete the sale......

You see, here's the thing. The Gun Dealers know EXACTLY what is going on. The Straw purchaser usually walks into the gun store with his thug buddy, who picks out the gun he wants.

In Chicago, for instance, 20% of all the guns recovered by police from gang members all came from ONE STORE.

So simple enough. You sold a gun used in a crime, you get prosecuted. If we have a gun dealer and a straw buyer, we prosecute both, and if the Straw Buyer rats out the gun dealer, I'm good with that.

 

[JoeB131]

And again....only 8,454 gun murders mainly by gang members in inner cities....

Except that's not true. TOTAL Gang-related murders by ANY method are less than 2000 a year. Most of the 11,000 gun murders we have every year (not just the one year you cherry pick) are domestic violence.

 

[ChrisL]

Moron.....that is the law now.........if you are caught providing guns for felons you are arrested....the gun dealer is in the clear moron because the original buyer passed the background check....moron......and of course when they know the buyer is an actual straw purchaser they inform the police....unless of course it is the obama justice dept. that orders them to complete the sale......

You see, here's the thing. The Gun Dealers know EXACTLY what is going on. The Straw purchaser usually walks into the gun store with his thug buddy, who picks out the gun he wants.

In Chicago, for instance, 20% of all the guns recovered by police from gang members all came from ONE STORE.

So simple enough. You sold a gun used in a crime, you get prosecuted. If we have a gun dealer and a straw buyer, we prosecute both, and if the Straw Buyer rats out the gun dealer, I'm good with that.

Duh! If a seller is proven to have sold a gun knowingly illegally, then of course he would be prosecuted. These are already laws on the books, Joe.

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....that is the law now.........if you are caught providing guns for felons you are arrested....the gun dealer is in the clear moron because the original buyer passed the background check....moron......and of course when they know the buyer is an actual straw purchaser they inform the police....unless of course it is the obama justice dept. that orders them to complete the sale......

You see, here's the thing. The Gun Dealers know EXACTLY what is going on. The Straw purchaser usually walks into the gun store with his thug buddy, who picks out the gun he wants.

In Chicago, for instance, 20% of all the guns recovered by police from gang members all came from ONE STORE.

So simple enough. You sold a gun used in a crime, you get prosecuted. If we have a gun dealer and a straw buyer, we prosecute both, and if the Straw Buyer rats out the gun dealer, I'm good with that.

Moron.....if the guy buying the gun passes the background check...he is legal.....and it is not up to the gun store to play cop......and be Angela Lansbury and go out and catch the criminal transaction moron....

80% of gun murders in Chicago and other big cities are gang or drug related....moron....

 

[JoeB131]

And again you fail to mention that all of the research points out that the lowest number of times studies show that Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent crimnal attack and save lives is 764,000.

Actually, the lowest number is 47,170 from the FBI's NCVS.

According to the NCVS, looking at the total number of self-protective behaviors undertaken by victims of both attempted and completed violent crime for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, in only 0.8 percent of these instances had the intended victim in resistance to a criminal “threatened or attacked with a firearm.”11 As detailed in the chart on the next page, for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, the NCVS estimates that there were 29,618,300 victims of attempted or completed violent crime. During this same five-year period, only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm. Of this number, it is not known what type of firearm was used or whether it was fired or not. The number may also include off-duty law enforcement officers who use their firearms in self-defense

https://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

 

[JoeB131]

Duh! If a seller is proven to have sold a gun knowingly illegally, then of course he would be prosecuted. These are already laws on the books, Joe.

I could care less what he knew or didn't know. Throw a few of them in jail, and they'll get a lot more selective about who they sell to.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron.....if the guy buying the gun passes the background check...he is legal.....and it is not up to the gun store to play cop......and be Angela Lansbury and go out and catch the criminal transaction moron....

80% of gun murders in Chicago and other big cities are gang or drug related....moron....

So that makes them okay, then ? "Hey, those murders aren't a big deal, it's only the Darkies getting shot, Cleetus!"

 

[2aguy]

And again you fail to mention that all of the research points out that the lowest number of times studies show that Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent crimnal attack and save lives is 764,000.

Actually, the lowest number is 47,170 from the FBI's NCVS.

According to the NCVS, looking at the total number of self-protective behaviors undertaken by victims of both attempted and completed violent crime for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, in only 0.8 percent of these instances had the intended victim in resistance to a criminal “threatened or attacked with a firearm.”11 As detailed in the chart on the next page, for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, the NCVS estimates that there were 29,618,300 victims of attempted or completed violent crime. During this same five-year period, only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm. Of this number, it is not known what type of firearm was used or whether it was fired or not. The number may also include off-duty law enforcement officers who use their firearms in self-defense

https://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

The violence policy center lies.....they make things up because they want guns banned...they have been caught lying numerous times.....and moron.....as I keep explaining to Brain, the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a defensive gun use survey.....not even close.....they don't even ask the people if they used a gun for self defense....

So try again moron......in fact...the NCVS can't even accurately measure the crimes they are tasked with studying like rape and sexual assault......

 

[jillian]

Maddow Blasts Law Requiring Aurora Shooting Victim s Parents To Pay Gun Manufacturers

its about time the courts start doing this. Assholes trying to slake their grief by suing innocent makers or being used as pawns by scumbags like Bloomberg need to get absolutely destroyed for this sort of nonsense

Pissing Rachel Madcow off-added bonus

rachel maddow has never "melted down", wacko.

 

[jillian]

Moron.....if the guy buying the gun passes the background check...he is legal.....and it is not up to the gun store to play cop......and be Angela Lansbury and go out and catch the criminal transaction moron....

80% of gun murders in Chicago and other big cities are gang or drug related....moron....

So that makes them okay, then ? "Hey, those murders aren't a big deal, it's only the Darkies getting shot, Cleetus!"

are you surprised that that's how he thinks?

 

[jillian]

And again you fail to mention that all of the research points out that the lowest number of times studies show that Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent crimnal attack and save lives is 764,000.

Actually, the lowest number is 47,170 from the FBI's NCVS.

According to the NCVS, looking at the total number of self-protective behaviors undertaken by victims of both attempted and completed violent crime for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, in only 0.8 percent of these instances had the intended victim in resistance to a criminal “threatened or attacked with a firearm.”11 As detailed in the chart on the next page, for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, the NCVS estimates that there were 29,618,300 victims of attempted or completed violent crime. During this same five-year period, only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm. Of this number, it is not known what type of firearm was used or whether it was fired or not. The number may also include off-duty law enforcement officers who use their firearms in self-defense

https://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

The violence policy center lies.....they make things up because they want guns banned...they have been caught lying numerous times.....and moron.....as I keep explaining to Brain, the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a defensive gun use survey.....not even close.....they don't even ask the people if they used a gun for self defense....

So try again moron......in fact...the NCVS can't even accurately measure the crimes they are tasked with studying like rape and sexual assault......

your assessment that they "lie" is based on nothing but your own bigotry.

 

[WinterBorn]

Duh! If a seller is proven to have sold a gun knowingly illegally, then of course he would be prosecuted. These are already laws on the books, Joe.

I could care less what he knew or didn't know. Throw a few of them in jail, and they'll get a lot more selective about who they sell to.

And we could care less what you want when it involves putting someone who didn't break the law in prison.

Won't happen.

 

[jillian]

Yeah but but but. don't dare accuse her and that Nasty station she is on, Msnbc: as being Fringe and Extremist.

who want's to watch a liberal talking head screeching and melting down all the time. icky

that's why they (liberals) can't make it big on the radio, like say a Rush Limbaugh. they drive people to want to poke their ear drums out and ...

as usual, you're confused steffie. it isn't MSNBC that's "nasty". you just take offense that they point out your stupidity.

faux news is the one that's nasty. i hope that unconfused you a bit.

but i know it won't.

poor steffie.

 

[JoeB131]

The violence policy center lies.....they make things up because they want guns banned...they have been caught lying numerous times.....and moron.....as I keep explaining to Brain, the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a defensive gun use survey.....not even close.....they don't even ask the people if they used a gun for self defense....

So try again moron......in fact...the NCVS can't even accurately measure the crimes they are tasked with studying like rape and sexual assault......

It's kind of hard to measure a crime where we shame the victim.

Point is, the NCVS survey is a running-five year study of crime involving hundreds of thousands of people.

The Kleck study was a one-time survey of 5000 people.

Which one do you think is more likely to get it right?

 

[JoeB131]

And we could care less what you want when it involves putting someone who didn't break the law in prison.

Won't happen.

Actually, the IRS entirely works on that theory... so, no. Not so much.

 

[WinterBorn]

Moron.....if the guy buying the gun passes the background check...he is legal.....and it is not up to the gun store to play cop......and be Angela Lansbury and go out and catch the criminal transaction moron....

80% of gun murders in Chicago and other big cities are gang or drug related....moron....

So that makes them okay, then ? "Hey, those murders aren't a big deal, it's only the Darkies getting shot, Cleetus!"

Once again you are lying. No one has mentioned race (since the most recent gang related shooting was white bikers).

 

[WinterBorn]

Duh! If a seller is proven to have sold a gun knowingly illegally, then of course he would be prosecuted. These are already laws on the books, Joe.

I could care less what he knew or didn't know. Throw a few of them in jail, and they'll get a lot more selective about who they sell to.

Yeah, no need to worry about him not breaking the law if sending him to prison fits your agenda, huh?

 

[WinterBorn]

And we could care less what you want when it involves putting someone who didn't break the law in prison.

Won't happen.

Actually, the IRS entirely works on that theory... so, no. Not so much.

The IRS does not send someone to prison when they have broken no law. Tax Evasion is against the law.

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....if the guy buying the gun passes the background check...he is legal.....and it is not up to the gun store to play cop......and be Angela Lansbury and go out and catch the criminal transaction moron....

80% of gun murders in Chicago and other big cities are gang or drug related....moron....

So that makes them okay, then ? "Hey, those murders aren't a big deal, it's only the Darkies getting shot, Cleetus!"

are you surprised that that's how he thinks?

Moron.....joe is the only one who talks about killing minorities...he really needs to get help before he does something stupid....

 

[2aguy]

And again you fail to mention that all of the research points out that the lowest number of times studies show that Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent crimnal attack and save lives is 764,000.

Actually, the lowest number is 47,170 from the FBI's NCVS.

According to the NCVS, looking at the total number of self-protective behaviors undertaken by victims of both attempted and completed violent crime for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, in only 0.8 percent of these instances had the intended victim in resistance to a criminal “threatened or attacked with a firearm.”11 As detailed in the chart on the next page, for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, the NCVS estimates that there were 29,618,300 victims of attempted or completed violent crime. During this same five-year period, only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm. Of this number, it is not known what type of firearm was used or whether it was fired or not. The number may also include off-duty law enforcement officers who use their firearms in self-defense

https://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable.pdf

The violence policy center lies.....they make things up because they want guns banned...they have been caught lying numerous times.....and moron.....as I keep explaining to Brain, the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a defensive gun use survey.....not even close.....they don't even ask the people if they used a gun for self defense....

So try again moron......in fact...the NCVS can't even accurately measure the crimes they are tasked with studying like rape and sexual assault......

your assessment that they "lie" is based on nothing but your own bigotry.

The assessment comes from the lies they put out there as research....

Debunking a Pro-Gun Control Study Using Its Own Stats PJ MediaJohn lott...

Calling this “the most up-to-date, comprehensive source for state gun ownership rates,” VPC attempted to match this 2002 survey data with 2007 firearms mortality data from the CDC, which immediately invalidates their dataset.


When asked to define this “apples and oranges” comparison of two unrelated datasets, Carl Moody, economics professor at William and Mary, called it a “screw-up.”


To give VPC a fair opportunity to make their point with properly-collated data, this report cites 2002 CDC mortality and FBI violent crime data. But first, VPC committed another sophomoric error which must be addressed.


The American Association for Public Opinion Research defines the “margin of sampling error” (MOSE) as:


Basically, the margin of sampling error is the price you pay for not talking to everyone in your population group. The MOSE describes the range that the answer likely falls between if we had talked to everyone instead of just a sample.


In other words, deleting most of a dataset in their press release enabled VPC to “cherry-pick” data that “proved” their predetermined conclusion that firearms represent a negative value to society.


By using less than 20% of the entire dataset, shown in Table 1, VPC makes its point that “weak” gun laws (less gun control) correlate with higher rates of total firearms death — more than four times as much — and higher rates of homicides using firearms (more than triple). Also, “weak” gun law states have over 4.5 times higher firearms suicide rates. Violent crime rates support VPC’s allegation: “weak” gun laws lead to more crime. (All rates are defined as incidents per 100,000 population.)

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Massive errors in the Violence Policy Center s Concealed Carry Killers - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org

In the Michigan state reports on concealed handgun permit holders that are cited by the VPC, 185 people died of suicides during the four reports from 2007 through 2012. That is 29 percent of the purported 636 deaths for the entire United States that the Violence Policy Center attributes to permitted concealed handguns.

But there is the problem: If you look at page 2 in the latest report, you will see that the 28 suicides do not list a cause of death. The report merely notes that permit holders committed suicide. We don’t know if they committed suicide with a gun and if it was a gun, that it was the gun that they carried concealed. Given that the overwhelming majority of these suicides were presumably at home, like most suicides, it isn’t even clear why a concealed handgun permit is relevant.