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[JoeB131]

Most criminals obtain their weapons through illegal means.

Which they couldn't do if guns weren't so readily available.

frontline hot guns How Criminals Get Guns PBS

An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.


In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun.

 

[WinterBorn]

and for centuries, Japanese elite could kill commoners for owning a sword. Japan and "civil rights" are a joke

For centuries, American elites could whip their slaves to death. Not to mention Jim Crow.

but it's not like today, where we treat black folks with all sorts of dignity, right?



why is it you guys want to emphasize the sins in the other guy's history and ignore our own?

Your hero worship of Japan for its gun control ignores too many facts about Japan.

That you are willing to throw away your civil rights in order to remove legally owned firearms is ridiculous. Perhaps you don't value your civil rights, but many of us do. The shortcomings of the culture in Japan, including the way women are treated and more, seems to be fine with you, as long as guns are removed.

The Japanese can be very prejudiced towards other cultures and races. Try being Korean and in Japan.

And the total removal of guns in a culture as open as ours is simply means only the law abiding are unarmed. And the repercussions concerning the overpopulation of wildlife and the lack of funding for conservation efforts would be devastating.

It always feels safer under a strictly controlled totalitarian gov't.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

 

[WinterBorn]

Moron...we actually want criminals to be locked up....you assholes want normal people locked up...it is part of your truth and reality dyslexia.....and gun murder 2013...8,454....and accidental gun deaths 2013...505

Uh, guy, we lock up 2 million people, and we have another 7 million on parole or probation. Meanwhile, Japan - where you claim is some kind of gun grabbing police state- only has 69,000 people in prison. Yet they have a lower crime rate than we do. Now why do you think that is?

Oh, number of gun murders in Japan? 11 in the last year we have data for.

Violent crimes stopped and lives saved each year.....on average 2 million......

Bullshit. According to the FBI, there are only 201 justifiable homicides by civilians with guns.

So you are to have us believe that only one out of 10,000 incidents where a gun is pulled in anger, does a body hit the floor.

Given you gun nuts come on here and fantasize every day about all the people y ou can't wait to shoot, I find that hard to buy.

Your claims that every defensive gun use must result in a death in order to be counted shows your own bloodthirsty attitude. As for gun buffs fantasizing about shooting people, that is more your fantasy than any serious gun buff I see here.

 

[2aguy]

Most criminals obtain their weapons through illegal means.

Which they couldn't do if guns weren't so readily available.

frontline hot guns How Criminals Get Guns PBS

An expert on crime gun patterns, ATF agent Jay Wachtel says that most guns used in crimes are not stolen out of private gun owners' homes and cars. "Stolen guns account for only about 10% to 15% of guns used in crimes," Wachtel said. Because when they want guns they want them immediately the wait is usually too long for a weapon to be stolen and find its way to a criminal.


In fact, there are a number of sources that allow guns to fall into the wrong hands, with gun thefts at the bottom of the list. Wachtel says one of the most common ways criminals get guns is through straw purchase sales. A straw purchase occurs when someone who may not legally acquire a firearm, or who wants to do so anonymously, has a companion buy it on their behalf. According to a 1994 ATF study on "Sources of Crime Guns in Southern California," many straw purchases are conducted in an openly "suggestive" manner where two people walk into a gun store, one selects a firearm, and then the other uses identification for the purchase and pays for the gun.

Okay moron.....if someone with a clean background wants to buy a gun for a criminal...how do you stop that....since they will pass the background check? And stealing guns is the other way they get guns........so again...background checks do nothing to stop that either......

 

[2aguy]

Moron...we actually want criminals to be locked up....you assholes want normal people locked up...it is part of your truth and reality dyslexia.....and gun murder 2013...8,454....and accidental gun deaths 2013...505

Uh, guy, we lock up 2 million people, and we have another 7 million on parole or probation. Meanwhile, Japan - where you claim is some kind of gun grabbing police state- only has 69,000 people in prison. Yet they have a lower crime rate than we do. Now why do you think that is?

Oh, number of gun murders in Japan? 11 in the last year we have data for.

Violent crimes stopped and lives saved each year.....on average 2 million......

Bullshit. According to the FBI, there are only 201 justifiable homicides by civilians with guns.

So you are to have us believe that only one out of 10,000 incidents where a gun is pulled in anger, does a body hit the floor.

Given you gun nuts come on here and fantasize every day about all the people y ou can't wait to shoot, I find that hard to buy.

I told you why that is joe.....they live in a police state...they have a 95% or higher conviction rate on criminals...if you are arrested in Japan you are gong to jail.....they can search you for whatever reason they want....they can hold you just about as long as they want to......

And you know what joe.....they still have gun crime.......their criminals still get guns when they want or need them......

 

[2aguy]

Moron...we actually want criminals to be locked up....you assholes want normal people locked up...it is part of your truth and reality dyslexia.....and gun murder 2013...8,454....and accidental gun deaths 2013...505

Uh, guy, we lock up 2 million people, and we have another 7 million on parole or probation. Meanwhile, Japan - where you claim is some kind of gun grabbing police state- only has 69,000 people in prison. Yet they have a lower crime rate than we do. Now why do you think that is?

Oh, number of gun murders in Japan? 11 in the last year we have data for.

Violent crimes stopped and lives saved each year.....on average 2 million......

Bullshit. According to the FBI, there are only 201 justifiable homicides by civilians with guns.

So you are to have us believe that only one out of 10,000 incidents where a gun is pulled in anger, does a body hit the floor.

Given you gun nuts come on here and fantasize every day about all the people y ou can't wait to shoot, I find that hard to buy.

Yeah.....moron.......criminals do not want to get shot...victims do not want to shoot people....that narrows the number of times a moron criminal will push an attack to the point where a victim will feel compelled to pull the trigger......only you sit there and fantasize about taking the lives of minorities....by the way...did you get help for those feelings yet....?

 

[JoeB131]

That you are willing to throw away your civil rights in order to remove legally owned firearms is ridiculous. Perhaps you don't value your civil rights, but many of us do. The shortcomings of the culture in Japan, including the way women are treated and more, seems to be fine with you, as long as guns are removed.

Not a civil rights issue, guy. You shouldn't have a gun because some slave rapist couldnt' write a militia amendment clearly.

Okay moron.....if someone with a clean background wants to buy a gun for a criminal...how do you stop that....since they will pass the background check? And stealing guns is the other way they get guns........so again...background checks do nothing to stop that either......

Very simply put. The guy who bought the gun for the criminal goes to jail. The Gun Dealer goes to jail. Problem. Fucking.Solved.

Betcha when the first few gun dealers go to prison and enjoy the pleasures of anal rape, they are going to make A REALLY GOOD EFFORT to make sure they know who they are selling to.

Some of them might even find lines of work that don't involve inflicting misery on communities.

 

[JoeB131]

And you know what joe.....they still have gun crime.......their criminals still get guns when they want or need them......

The Japanese had 11 gun murders compared to our 11,000. Me, I'll take a 99.99% reduction in the gun murder rate.

 

[WinterBorn]

That you are willing to throw away your civil rights in order to remove legally owned firearms is ridiculous. Perhaps you don't value your civil rights, but many of us do. The shortcomings of the culture in Japan, including the way women are treated and more, seems to be fine with you, as long as guns are removed.

Not a civil rights issue, guy. You shouldn't have a gun because some slave rapist couldnt' write a militia amendment clearly.

Yes, it IS a civil rights issue. And I was not just referring to the 2nd amendment. Numerous other constitutionally guaranteed rights, like forbidding unreasonable search and seizure, freedom of speech, ect, are not present in Japanese gov't.

And the founding fathers wrote the 2nd as they did for a reason. It was never intended to mean only a state militia. The Federalist papers make that abundantly clear.

 

[WinterBorn]

And you know what joe.....they still have gun crime.......their criminals still get guns when they want or need them......

The Japanese had 11 gun murders compared to our 11,000. Me, I'll take a 99.99% reduction in the gun murder rate.

If you think our culture and the japanese culture will react the same you have lost your marbles.

 

[turtledude]

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Again, best argument for gun control is to let a gun nut fantasize about all the people he wants to kill.

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Not at all. I see them as part of the same problem. The only reason why cops are armed like soldiers and sometimes act like fools is because there are shitloads of guns out there.

Most cops are good at their jobs and do it very sincerely. And frankly, they shouldn't have to worry the guy they pulled over for a speeding ticket might pull a piece on them.

I guess you are too stupid to figure out that if gun owners were as dangerous and as unhinged as your garment soiling rants say they are, you'd be scared to death to constantly insult them. That you do, without suffering any harm is proof you are a fucking liar

 

[WinterBorn]

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Again, best argument for gun control is to let a gun nut fantasize about all the people he wants to kill.

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Not at all. I see them as part of the same problem. The only reason why cops are armed like soldiers and sometimes act like fools is because there are shitloads of guns out there.

Most cops are good at their jobs and do it very sincerely. And frankly, they shouldn't have to worry the guy they pulled over for a speeding ticket might pull a piece on them.

I guess you are too stupid to figure out that if gun owners were as dangerous and as unhinged as your garment soiling rants say they are, you'd be scared to death to constantly insult them. That you do, without suffering any harm is proof you are a fucking liar

There are around 100 million gun owners in the US. If we were as dangerous as this nimrod claims we are, he wouldn't be here.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, it IS a civil rights issue. And I was not just referring to the 2nd amendment. Numerous other constitutionally guaranteed rights, like forbidding unreasonable search and seizure, freedom of speech, ect, are not present in Japanese gov't.

And the founding fathers wrote the 2nd as they did for a reason. It was never intended to mean only a state militia. The Federalist papers make that abundantly clear.

again, could care less what the Founding Slave Rapists were thinking. My thought is, does it make sense in the HERE AND NOW. In the HERE AND NOW, there is no good reason for an average citizen to have a military grade weapon. There is LESS good reason for a psychotic person who thinks he's the Joker to have one.

I'd take Japan's crime rates over ours any day of the week.

 

[JoeB131]

I guess you are too stupid to figure out that if gun owners were as dangerous and as unhinged as your garment soiling rants say they are, you'd be scared to death to constantly insult them. That you do, without suffering any harm is proof you are a fucking liar

Again, guy, the best argument for gun control is to let you guys rant about all the people you want to shot.

 

[JoeB131]

There are around 100 million gun owners in the US. If we were as dangerous as this nimrod claims we are, he wouldn't be here.

32,000 gun deaths a year. You guys are doing plenty of damage.

 

[WinterBorn]

Yes, it IS a civil rights issue. And I was not just referring to the 2nd amendment. Numerous other constitutionally guaranteed rights, like forbidding unreasonable search and seizure, freedom of speech, ect, are not present in Japanese gov't.

And the founding fathers wrote the 2nd as they did for a reason. It was never intended to mean only a state militia. The Federalist papers make that abundantly clear.

again, could care less what the Founding Slave Rapists were thinking. My thought is, does it make sense in the HERE AND NOW. In the HERE AND NOW, there is no good reason for an average citizen to have a military grade weapon. There is LESS good reason for a psychotic person who thinks he's the Joker to have one.

I'd take Japan's crime rates over ours any day of the week.

Once again, I'll take our civil rights (not just the 2nd amendment) over those in Japan.

 

[2aguy]

That you are willing to throw away your civil rights in order to remove legally owned firearms is ridiculous. Perhaps you don't value your civil rights, but many of us do. The shortcomings of the culture in Japan, including the way women are treated and more, seems to be fine with you, as long as guns are removed.

Not a civil rights issue, guy. You shouldn't have a gun because some slave rapist couldnt' write a militia amendment clearly.

Okay moron.....if someone with a clean background wants to buy a gun for a criminal...how do you stop that....since they will pass the background check? And stealing guns is the other way they get guns........so again...background checks do nothing to stop that either......

Very simply put. The guy who bought the gun for the criminal goes to jail. The Gun Dealer goes to jail. Problem. Fucking.Solved.

Betcha when the first few gun dealers go to prison and enjoy the pleasures of anal rape, they are going to make A REALLY GOOD EFFORT to make sure they know who they are selling to.

Some of them might even find lines of work that don't involve inflicting misery on communities.

Moron.....that is the law now.........if you are caught providing guns for felons you are arrested....the gun dealer is in the clear moron because the original buyer passed the background check....moron......and of course when they know the buyer is an actual straw purchaser they inform the police....unless of course it is the obama justice dept. that orders them to complete the sale......

 

[WinterBorn]

I guess you are too stupid to figure out that if gun owners were as dangerous and as unhinged as your garment soiling rants say they are, you'd be scared to death to constantly insult them. That you do, without suffering any harm is proof you are a fucking liar

Again, guy, the best argument for gun control is to let you guys rant about all the people you want to shot.

I have seen you cheer murders more than any gun buff. Every gun buff's comments about shooting someone was prefaced by that person directly threatening them or someone else.

 

[WinterBorn]

There are around 100 million gun owners in the US. If we were as dangerous as this nimrod claims we are, he wouldn't be here.

32,000 gun deaths a year. You guys are doing plenty of damage.

Under 9,000 gun murders by 100 million armed citizens and you have your panties in a wad. lol

As for the suicides, you still have no proof banning guns would change a damn thing. Your precious Japan has twice the suicides per capital, without any guns.

 

[2aguy]

There are around 100 million gun owners in the US. If we were as dangerous as this nimrod claims we are, he wouldn't be here.

32,000 gun deaths a year. You guys are doing plenty of damage.

And again....only 8,454 gun murders mainly by gang members in inner cities......and only 505 accidental gun deaths......the rest are suicide and of course since Japan has absolute gun control and no access to guns...they have 2 times our suicide rate by hanging, jumping in front of trains and poison.......

And again you fail to mention that all of the research points out that the lowest number of times studies show that Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent crimnal attack and save lives is 764,000....and the average of all the studies that exclude military and police defensive shootings puts the number at 2 million times a year on average........

the numbers speak for themselves.....