Gary Johnson wins Libertarian Party nomination

[Iceweasel]

You vote for losers.

You vote for Democrats in sheep's clothing

At least you admit you vote for losers. You are more interested in feeling good about yourself than in actually helping this country.

Except voting for any of these loons won't help the country.

Depends on how you define help.

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

 

[The Rabbi]

He's a typical Libertarian. They are the most intolerant and untolerable people out there. They have all the answers. You just don't understand.

Yes, we intolerantly go around letting you make your own choices. What a dumb ass

No. You intolerantly go around lecturing anyone and everyone on why libertarianism is the only true conservative philosophy when in fact it is simply a first cousin to Bolshevism.

Dam, a dope smoking Republican ....

And then when you have no answer you revert to insults.
I've always said scratch a libertarian and you get a liberal.

Actually go back and re-read this, you started the insults

Mom, he started it is a fail.

 

[kaz]

The phrase may be meaningless to you but nobody can understand anything for you. Most libertarians align with fiscal conservatives who want smaller, more efficient government, lower taxes, etc. Don't believe in careless spending or the government's role in supplying jobs. That sort of thing.

Then socially they tend to want drug legalization, gay marriage, less government in our lives. That sort of thing.

To bad you had to scour the internet for an opinion you couldn't articulate though.

He's a typical Libertarian. They are the most intolerant and untolerable people out there. They have all the answers. You just don't understand.

Yes, we intolerantly go around letting you make your own choices. What a dumb ass

No. You intolerantly go around lecturing anyone and everyone on why libertarianism is the only true conservative philosophy when in fact it is simply a first cousin to Bolshevism.

Dam, a dope smoking Republican ....

And then when you have no answer you revert to insults.
I've always said scratch a libertarian and you get a liberal.

Yes, one of a great many stupid things that you say, and you started the insults

 

[kaz]

You're the one supporting Gary Johnson, who will get maybe, let's be generous, 3% in the general. So, speaking of losers.

Johnson is polling well over 10% and that was before all this coverage.

If he maintains that, then I could vote for him just because that's the sort of thing that makes people think the third party makes a difference. Again I'm voting for "other" and the best way to do that. that's why I voted for Nader in 2008

Why not just save the time and trouble and drink beer instead?

Yes, you've mentioned I should only vote for your objectives, not mine. Who are you calling arrogant again, Holmes?

Your objective seems to be to become irrelevant to the political process. You're doing a good job. I'm just trying to help you here.

I'm already irrelevant. There are very few of us who don't want to make other people's choices for them. Which you call virtually identical to Bolshevism. You say a lot of stupid things

 

[kaz]

Johnson isn't a libertarian. He's nuts, and not the good kind. Why do you vote at all?

He happens to be the only candidate with actual executive experience in elected office. Who would you prefer? John McAfee? He's not nuts?

I said Vermin Supreme is nuts, I answered your questions in order. You didn't notice that?

Actually you didnt. You just assert stuff. Like Vermin Supreme and Gary Johnson are nuts and Hillary isnt anti free trade, despite her repudiation of every Dem free trade agreement.

I didn't say Gary Johnson was nuts, you just weren't smart enough to realize I answered YOUR questions in order and you still didn't get it when I explained it to you.

You asked three questions, I gave you three answers. Go back and try again

I see.
You just asserted Johnson wasn't a libertarian. Typically people makea statement to back up or explain their initial view. In your case you're going with word salad.

Why bother explaining anything about libertarianism to someone who thinks libertarians are basically Bolsheviks?

 

[kaz]

You vote for Democrats in sheep's clothing

At least you admit you vote for losers. You are more interested in feeling good about yourself than in actually helping this country.

Except voting for any of these loons won't help the country.

Depends on how you define help.

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

What you don't get is that I don't care between Trump and Hillary. In fact I may vote for Hillary as I've said because at least she's not going to try to end free trade like Trump says he will do. Capitalism is my one litmus test issue and free trade is the beating heart of socialism. I might vote for Johnson if his poll numbers are high enough. The only candidate right now I will not vote for, for 100% certainty, is Trump

 

[kaz]

Yes, we intolerantly go around letting you make your own choices. What a dumb ass

No. You intolerantly go around lecturing anyone and everyone on why libertarianism is the only true conservative philosophy when in fact it is simply a first cousin to Bolshevism.

Dam, a dope smoking Republican ....

And then when you have no answer you revert to insults.
I've always said scratch a libertarian and you get a liberal.

Actually go back and re-read this, you started the insults

Mom, he started it is a fail.

What a chick. You said I was insulting you, I just said I started insulting you when you insulted me, then you whined about what you just did

 

[The Rabbi]

Johnson is polling well over 10% and that was before all this coverage.

If he maintains that, then I could vote for him just because that's the sort of thing that makes people think the third party makes a difference. Again I'm voting for "other" and the best way to do that. that's why I voted for Nader in 2008

Why not just save the time and trouble and drink beer instead?

Yes, you've mentioned I should only vote for your objectives, not mine. Who are you calling arrogant again, Holmes?

Your objective seems to be to become irrelevant to the political process. You're doing a good job. I'm just trying to help you here.

I'm already irrelevant. There are very few of us who don't want to make other people's choices for them. Which you call virtually identical to Bolshevism. You say a lot of stupid things

You dont understand the intellectual roots of libertarianism and that makes me stupid?
But at least you admit to being irrelevant.

 

[The Rabbi]

He happens to be the only candidate with actual executive experience in elected office. Who would you prefer? John McAfee? He's not nuts?

I said Vermin Supreme is nuts, I answered your questions in order. You didn't notice that?

Actually you didnt. You just assert stuff. Like Vermin Supreme and Gary Johnson are nuts and Hillary isnt anti free trade, despite her repudiation of every Dem free trade agreement.

I didn't say Gary Johnson was nuts, you just weren't smart enough to realize I answered YOUR questions in order and you still didn't get it when I explained it to you.

You asked three questions, I gave you three answers. Go back and try again

I see.
You just asserted Johnson wasn't a libertarian. Typically people makea statement to back up or explain their initial view. In your case you're going with word salad.

Why bother explaining anything about libertarianism to someone who thinks libertarians are basically Bolsheviks?

Your reading skills suck.
I didnt say they were basically Bolsheviks. I said tehy were first cousins to Bolsheviks.

 

[Iceweasel]

At least you admit you vote for losers. You are more interested in feeling good about yourself than in actually helping this country.

Except voting for any of these loons won't help the country.

Depends on how you define help.

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

What you don't get is that I don't care between Trump and Hillary. In fact I may vote for Hillary as I've said because at least she's not going to try to end free trade like Trump says he will do. Capitalism is my one litmus test issue and free trade is the beating heart of socialism. I might vote for Johnson if his poll numbers are high enough. The only candidate right now I will not vote for, for 100% certainty, is Trump

He didn't say he wants going to end free trade, that's just you being hysterical about what he did say. Hillary will be more of the same, jobs marching overseas due to the uneven playing field and anti-business atmosphere.

 

[The Rabbi]

No. You intolerantly go around lecturing anyone and everyone on why libertarianism is the only true conservative philosophy when in fact it is simply a first cousin to Bolshevism.

Dam, a dope smoking Republican ....

And then when you have no answer you revert to insults.
I've always said scratch a libertarian and you get a liberal.

Actually go back and re-read this, you started the insults

Mom, he started it is a fail.

What a chick. You said I was insulting you, I just said I started insulting you when you insulted me, then you whined about what you just did

I didnt say you were insulting me. I said you couldn't answer my points and deflected to insults.
Are you sure you aren't channelling NYCarbineer?

 

[The Rabbi]

Except voting for any of these loons won't help the country.

Depends on how you define help.

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

What you don't get is that I don't care between Trump and Hillary. In fact I may vote for Hillary as I've said because at least she's not going to try to end free trade like Trump says he will do. Capitalism is my one litmus test issue and free trade is the beating heart of socialism. I might vote for Johnson if his poll numbers are high enough. The only candidate right now I will not vote for, for 100% certainty, is Trump

He didn't say he wants going to end free trade, that's just you being hysterical about what he did say. Hillary will be more of the same, jobs marching overseas due to the uneven playing field and anti-business atmosphere.

Trump is anti free trade. That is maybe one thing he's actually been consistent on.

 

[Iceweasel]

Depends on how you define help.

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

What you don't get is that I don't care between Trump and Hillary. In fact I may vote for Hillary as I've said because at least she's not going to try to end free trade like Trump says he will do. Capitalism is my one litmus test issue and free trade is the beating heart of socialism. I might vote for Johnson if his poll numbers are high enough. The only candidate right now I will not vote for, for 100% certainty, is Trump

He didn't say he wants going to end free trade, that's just you being hysterical about what he did say. Hillary will be more of the same, jobs marching overseas due to the uneven playing field and anti-business atmosphere.

Trump is anti free trade. That is maybe one thing he's actually been consistent on.

His point is that it isn't really free trade if US business have to do it to compete and the playing field is uneven. He wants fair trade, not isolationism.

 

[Borillar]

The Libertarians did the only sensible thing and nominated Gary Johnson for their candidate for president. Johnson is the only reasonable choice in the race. He is a two term governor with a solid record. Does he have plenty of downsides? Of course. But not nearly as many as McCain. And lots of people, including me, voted for McCain.

I'm still not sure what a Libertarian is.

A republican who smokes dope.

So since you think that thinking something should be legal means that we want to do it, you want to get abortions since you think they should be legal?

I kid... I may even vote libertarian this time around since I can't abide Hillary and Trump would be a disaster. As far as the freedom to smoke dope or get an abortion? I'm all for it. The freedom to do it, that is. I'm a man, so I can't have an abortion, and I'm personally opposed to it, but I won't stand in anybodies way of getting one. I view drug abuse as a medical problem, not a legal one.

 

[The Rabbi]

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

What you don't get is that I don't care between Trump and Hillary. In fact I may vote for Hillary as I've said because at least she's not going to try to end free trade like Trump says he will do. Capitalism is my one litmus test issue and free trade is the beating heart of socialism. I might vote for Johnson if his poll numbers are high enough. The only candidate right now I will not vote for, for 100% certainty, is Trump

He didn't say he wants going to end free trade, that's just you being hysterical about what he did say. Hillary will be more of the same, jobs marching overseas due to the uneven playing field and anti-business atmosphere.

Trump is anti free trade. That is maybe one thing he's actually been consistent on.

His point is that it isn't really free trade if US business have to do it to compete and the playing field is uneven. He wants fair trade, not isolationism.

That makes no sense. US Businesses shouldn't have to compete? What does he thnk business is all about?

 

[kaz]

If he maintains that, then I could vote for him just because that's the sort of thing that makes people think the third party makes a difference. Again I'm voting for "other" and the best way to do that. that's why I voted for Nader in 2008

Why not just save the time and trouble and drink beer instead?

Yes, you've mentioned I should only vote for your objectives, not mine. Who are you calling arrogant again, Holmes?

Your objective seems to be to become irrelevant to the political process. You're doing a good job. I'm just trying to help you here.

I'm already irrelevant. There are very few of us who don't want to make other people's choices for them. Which you call virtually identical to Bolshevism. You say a lot of stupid things

You dont understand the intellectual roots of libertarianism and that makes me stupid?
But at least you admit to being irrelevant.

Yes, making our own choices and government making them for us. Tom-ay-to, tom-ah-to. Two peas in a pod. You're an intellectual genius

 

[kaz]

Except voting for any of these loons won't help the country.

Depends on how you define help.

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

What you don't get is that I don't care between Trump and Hillary. In fact I may vote for Hillary as I've said because at least she's not going to try to end free trade like Trump says he will do. Capitalism is my one litmus test issue and free trade is the beating heart of socialism. I might vote for Johnson if his poll numbers are high enough. The only candidate right now I will not vote for, for 100% certainty, is Trump

He didn't say he wants going to end free trade, that's just you being hysterical about what he did say. Hillary will be more of the same, jobs marching overseas due to the uneven playing field and anti-business atmosphere.

He's going to decide what trade I can engage in and what I can't. Your view that government will wield it's power for the benefit of anyone but government is just inexplicably naive. Government needs to get out of it.

He doubled down by saying he's going to punish companies that want to leave the USA rather than address why they want to leave. The guy is anti-free trade, face it

 

[kaz]

Dam, a dope smoking Republican ....

And then when you have no answer you revert to insults.
I've always said scratch a libertarian and you get a liberal.

Actually go back and re-read this, you started the insults

Mom, he started it is a fail.

What a chick. You said I was insulting you, I just said I started insulting you when you insulted me, then you whined about what you just did

I didnt say you were insulting me. I said you couldn't answer my points and deflected to insults.
Are you sure you aren't channelling NYCarbineer?

You not liking my answers is not my not answering your points, Holmes. I think it's irrelevant to pick between Tweedledee and Tweedledum, you think it's critically important. I am voting for my objective, more than two choices. You don't like the answer. Tough noogies

 

[kaz]

Making a difference. Two parties, same result. Republicans spend like Democrats and Democrats get us in wars like Republicans. Republicans nominating supreme court justices hasn't made a difference in their rulings. I don't care what they say, I care what they do. And they do the same

The same too often but Republicans have put some brakes on obama's insane spending. Throwing a vote away on a third party guy with no chance won't move you closer to your goals. The best way is the move the party by influence. Bernie has moved the Dems to the left. Hillary has to placate his voters to win them over. Trump apparently is moving to the right on some issues, guns, abortion, etc. A vote for Hillary or Johnson will be a zero percent chance of changing anything.

What you don't get is that I don't care between Trump and Hillary. In fact I may vote for Hillary as I've said because at least she's not going to try to end free trade like Trump says he will do. Capitalism is my one litmus test issue and free trade is the beating heart of socialism. I might vote for Johnson if his poll numbers are high enough. The only candidate right now I will not vote for, for 100% certainty, is Trump

He didn't say he wants going to end free trade, that's just you being hysterical about what he did say. Hillary will be more of the same, jobs marching overseas due to the uneven playing field and anti-business atmosphere.

Trump is anti free trade. That is maybe one thing he's actually been consistent on.

His point is that it isn't really free trade if US business have to do it to compete and the playing field is uneven. He wants fair trade, not isolationism.

How he justifies being anti-free trade doesn't contradict that he is anti-free trade. Free trade means I decide. Trump wants government to decide. That is anti-free trade. I understand you believe he'll make the world fair. I don't believe him, I want him to stay out of it

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Do you hear that sucking sound? That's Gary taking votes from the Donald. This is just a power move from the libertarian wing. Similar to what Bernie's doing.

Couldn't care less.

To your point to him, I agree. What I don't like about that is they keep nominating non-libertarians to do it. This will be the third election in a row I'd have voted for them if they'd nominated a libertarian. That follows three elections in a row I did voted them because they did nominate a libertarian. There's a clear correlation there ...

You vote for losers.

You're the one supporting Gary Johnson, who will get maybe, let's be generous, 3% in the general. So, speaking of losers.

Johnson is polling well over 10% and that was before all this coverage.

And what was his name recognition in those polls? He was polling that high because his was the only other name included, not because anybody actually supported him. He was fourth after "I don't know" in that poll as well. Third party candidates always poll higher at this stage of the game, and then when people come to the conclusion that it's either the Republican or the Democrat, they end up voting for one of them.