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[PoliticalTorch]

Of course we can...but why should we. There's a billion more in the world...why not them. And how many are at your house, Gertrude?

If they were white French-speaking refugees fleeing from Canada, fuckheads like you would welcome them with beer and probably a blow job.

Well two things about that. Did you know that French people are actually of Latin origins? They are. They are not considered Anglos. The rest of the Latins are: Italians, Portuguese, Spanish, Romanian, and of course French. But another thing to be aware of. You say "If they were white...." Excuse me? Are you talking about the children from Central America? If you are, then they ARE White as the Federal, states and counties in this country classify them as, as there is no Hispanic or Latino "race." Their race is White. If you are talking about 'Hispanic' or 'Latino', then you are talking about ETHNICITY, not race.

Here's more reading on this where you will not find any reference to Hispanic or Latino being a race.

How many major races are there in the world? ? World Mysteries Blog

 

[PoliticalTorch]

That Jesus dude could produce an infinite amount of goods and services...Obabble can't.

More of those conditions that I don't recall jesus talking about.

You do know that Jesus was talking about Individuals doing that, not Governments, right?

So when are you going to accept these "Refugees" into your home and make them your responsibility?

But who is the government if not the people? Hence, the people, i.e. the government, will take care of them as President George W. Bush declared in his 2008 law. And their "home" will be the U.S. until they can get properly processed and get their day in court to determine their final disposition.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Marginal Christianity: George Will stuns Fox panel: ?Preposterous? that U.S. can?t shelter child refugees from violence

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Ah Conservative George! Hate him or love him, he's certainly Right on this issue! KUDOS to him!

Go ahead, set the precedent. You get here and you win. Forget our rules and laws and regulations. You get in, you stay. There could never be any negative repercussion to a precedent like that. Laws are really just suggestions anyways.

Esmerelda, what say you?

While I am not Esmeralda and can't speak for her, I will say that you are trying to put a very negative spin on this situation. There is no precedent. They can't forget our rules and laws and regulations, they can't all just get in and stay. And there can't be any negative repercussions because there aren't any precedents since the law is overseeing this matter and so is the Border Patrol. President Obama has been chided on sending more people back to their countries than any previous administration.

As to what the refugees have to face when they come here. The law of the land. Mainly the Bush 2008 Law that gives them rights while their case comes up in court. That was the intent of the law and the way it is. Does that mean they all automatically get to stay in this country? No, it doesn't. Does it mean they will get a fair hearing about their status to remain in this country. Hopefully yes, as that was the intent of the Bush law. However, we hear of deportations taking place where they are not even being afforded the full extent of that law and that is wrong. In that regard, the law is not working and these children have no business being deported before receiving a fair hearing under the Law.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I see that some of you don't quite understand what is a welfare state.

And any complaint that we have unlimited immigration is unwarranted.

Omnibus bill: sealed border, business employee reform, and immigration legislation.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Jesus said something to the effect .. if you did it for the least of these my brethren, you did it unto me.

Yes! That is a wonderful Scripture that all should truly learn from. But we must know and understand the whole context of what Jesus was saying here.

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto Me. Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was hungered, and ye gave me no meat: was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer Him, saying, LORD, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall He answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." -- MATTHEW 25:40-46 KJV
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That Scripture alone well describes what is happening with these refugee children at this time and those who are turning them away, purporting to be Christians and all others, by standing in front of buses and otherwise fighting hard to keep them out. Jesus cannot be pleased. But they will surely realize the error of their ways at their appointed time. Of that, there can be no doubt. Help the children NOW. Offer a kind hand and word and see the good of your efforts become a jewel for your crown.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Again, I have no idea who this person is. You all are pathetic in your little two dimensional world of partiship, of right and left, not to mention having no idea of the world outside of America. Just absolutely pathetic you are, one and all.

Such hate....

Now you are trying to play a stupid little game of throwing it back on me but it doesn't work. It is clear from the posts by conservatives in this thread who is full of hate. It is made clear when your hypocrisy is pointed out, and you get very defensive about it, who is full of hate.

What I am is exasperated trying to have an intelligent and logical dialogue with people who refuse to or are unable to respond in kind. You have no critical thinking skills. You are locked into blind partisanship. You live in a little two dimensional world which is controlled, in your mind, by either the left or the right of the political spectrum. Nothing else exists for you.

You accuse me of being influenced by people I have never heard of. You assume I have some knowledge of your rightwing media when I don't even watch American TV or live in America.

You are completely unable to think outside your little box of a prison you've got implanted in your skull instead of a brain. And it is tiresome in the extreme to try to discuss anything with people like you.

Not hatred: you're not worth it. But you are extremely tiresome.

Oh shut up, you boorish twit. Only mindless Pollyannas don't apprehend the imperatives of national sovereignty or the actual motives of those who would undermine it, and only petty little shrews accuse decent people of the monstrous filth that you and other leftists are spewing here. As for that gnat-sized brain of yours that nature squeezed inside that tiny, black-and-white box peeping out between your shoulders: it's time for an upgrade. What you need is a swift kick in the ass to shake things loose . . . and other things out.

 

[MikeK]

he isn't very good with history, unfortunately.

but we had a lot of involvement in central and south America for a long time. Reagan was just one more chapter.

I am well aware of our involvement in Central America for decades before the 1980s, but none of it produced the effect we are seeing now in this refugee crisis. The most destructive element of U.S. influence in Central America is and has been the War on Drugs, which Nixon started but had the good sense to back off from when the overall effect became apparent. But Ronald Reagan not only revived it he turned it into something comparable to a religious crusade.

The effect of this absolutely insane policy has been the creation of extraordinarily powerful criminal cartels which have created the problem we are facing today. It is the War on Drugs, combined with Reagan's destabilization activities in Central America, which are directly and primarily responsible for this refugee crisis. Not our relatively minor tampering with policies in that region going as far back as the sixties.

 

[Steven_R]

Jesus said something to the effect .. if you did it for the least of these my brethren, you did it unto me.

Yes! That is a wonderful Scripture that all should truly learn from. But we must know and understand the whole context of what Jesus was saying here.

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto Me. Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was hungered, and ye gave me no meat: was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer Him, saying, LORD, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall He answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." -- MATTHEW 25:40-46 KJV
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That Scripture alone well describes what is happening with these refugee children at this time and those who are turning them away, purporting to be Christians and all others, by standing in front of buses and otherwise fighting hard to keep them out. Jesus cannot be pleased. But they will surely realize the error of their ways at their appointed time. Of that, there can be no doubt. Help the children NOW. Offer a kind hand and word and see the good of your efforts become a jewel for your crown.

I wonder what the Canaanites had to say about unchecked Hebrew immigration.

 

[MikeK]

What will we do with them you ask? Well, if it gets to be too much for you to do humanitarian aid you could always direct them to George W. Bush's large Texas home and property since it was he who signed the law in 2008 to allow them to come into this country and be processed while waiting for their day in court and final disposition.

That would be fine with me. But one can only wonder why the Obama Administration hasn't rushed to make that clear but instead seems to be ignoring the refugee crisis.

So my response to your suggestion is the Republican and Democrat parties are two wings of the same bird and both are serving the interest of a shadow government which is better known as the One Percent.

 

[Meathead]

he isn't very good with history, unfortunately.

but we had a lot of involvement in central and south America for a long time. Reagan was just one more chapter.

I am well aware of our involvement in Central America for decades before the 1980s, but none of it produced the effect we are seeing now in this refugee crisis. The most destructive element of U.S. influence in Central America is and has been the War on Drugs, which Nixon started but had the good sense to back off from when the overall effect became apparent. But Ronald Reagan not only revived it he turned it into something comparable to a religious crusade.

The effect of this absolutely insane policy has been the creation of extraordinarily powerful criminal cartels which have created the problem we are facing today. It is the War on Drugs, combined with Reagan's destabilization activities in Central America, which are directly and primarily responsible for this refugee crisis. Not our relatively minor tampering with policies in that region going as far back as the sixties.

You are well-aware of very little evidenced by your simplistic and vacuous commentary. Indeed, lowbrow enough to be a dingbat of Esmeralda proportions.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Isn't amazing how the Left suddenly forgets that they want "Separation of Church and State" when the they can find a Bible verse to support their position.


Of course, besides those very few verses, they want nothing to do the rest of the Bible for any reason.

I'm not using it to support my postion, you moron. I'm using it to point out what hypocrites all you Bible thumping conservatives are.

It never ceases to amaze me that so many conservatives on this board have no ability whatosever to pick up on irony and subtext. Absolutely amazing.

No. What's absolutely amazing, dimwit, is your pretensions of scholarship as you think to impose the commandments of revealed religion that pertain to the followers of Christ on the collective body politic to the detriment of the latter's national sovereignty. The subtext here is your rank hypocrisy.

 

[Steven_R]

I wish I knew how to quit you!

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

he isn't very good with history, unfortunately.

but we had a lot of involvement in central and south America for a long time. Reagan was just one more chapter.

I am well aware of our involvement in Central America for decades before the 1980s, but none of it produced the effect we are seeing now in this refugee crisis. The most destructive element of U.S. influence in Central America is and has been the War on Drugs, which Nixon started but had the good sense to back off from when the overall effect became apparent. But Ronald Reagan not only revived it he turned it into something comparable to a religious crusade.

The effect of this absolutely insane policy has been the creation of extraordinarily powerful criminal cartels which have created the problem we are facing today. It is the War on Drugs, combined with Reagan's destabilization activities in Central America, which are directly and primarily responsible for this refugee crisis. Not our relatively minor tampering with policies in that region going as far back as the sixties.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Isn't amazing how the Left suddenly forgets that they want "Separation of Church and State" when the they can find a Bible verse to support their position.


Of course, besides those very few verses, they want nothing to do the rest of the Bible for any reason.

You've misunderstood the argument.

Some liberals who want to keep other people's religious beliefs from controlling their lives are now using the Bible to show some Bible-believing religious folks how hypocritical they are being about the issue of children fleeing violence and death and seeking safety and life here in the greatest country in the world.

Some of liberals don't believe what the Bible has to say, but can still see the good in it. Some libeals don't believe everything the Bible has to say. But you do and so it is worse and hypocritical when you choose only to heed those verses you find to support your morality but ignore those which point out your own immorality.

I've not misunderstood it.. It's straight out of Alinsky's rules for radicals.

Bingo!

The most hilariously stupid thing about lefty: he's been lying to himself and others for so long, he has no idea how transparent he is to the discerning.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

You can have a welfare state OR you can have unlimited immigration. It just can't work to have both at once.

It depends on what the ulterior motive is . If the ultimate objective is to overload the system , destroy the middle class , eliminate the remnants of American affluence and leave America ripe for socialism -then yes you would certainly want to have both a welfare state and unlimited immigration.

The method is quite obviously destruction of the middle class, so you're right on about that. But the objective is plutocratic rule, not socialism. Socialism is the diametric opposite of what the shadow government has planned for America. In fact, what America desperately needs is restoration of those socialist regulations which prevented the ravaging of our economy which has taken place since Reaganomics was imposed on us.

Uh, I'm with you insofar as we are talking about the disastrous results of the so-called War on Drugs, which, among other things, has squander billions in treasure for nothing, when all the while the government's only duty to the people was to shut that friggin' border down! But now with this talk of plutocracy in the face of the depredations that is the history of liberal/progressive fascism as the pathway toward a communist state, i.e., in the minds of the New Deal Marxist of FDR's administration and their ideological offspring, you've gone off the rails and taken a left turn into la-la land. Limited government, the preservation of private property and inalienable human rights are not the passé concerns of agrarian societies, but the bulwark against the tyranny of overweening governments.

 

[RoadVirus]

Watching the emotional unraveling of the far right is a great way to start the week.

The only ones unraveling is the Left.

They make themselves look like retards by actually believing these kids are here as refugees fleeing violence. And then we have bigger retards in the form of stains like Nutty Nancy Pelosi and Luis Gutierrez, who yak up verbal diarrhea about how this situation is why we need to pass amnesty...i mean immigration reform and not as an act of compassion, but as a way for the Democrats to get votes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Watching the emotional unraveling of the far right is a great way to start the week.

The only ones unraveling is the Left.

They make themselves look like retards by actually believing these kids are here as refugees fleeing violence. And then we have bigger retards in the form of stains like Nutty Nancy Pelosi and Luis Gutierrez, who yak up verbal diarrhea about how this situation is why we need to pass amnesty...i mean immigration reform and not as an act of compassion, but as a way for the Democrats to get votes.

Many of the kids are fleeing violence, RV.

see that some of you don't quite understand what is a welfare state.

And any complaint that we have unlimited immigration is unwarranted.

Omnibus bill: sealed border, business employee reform, and immigration legislation.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Jesus said something to the effect .. if you did it for the least of these my brethren, you did it unto me.

Yes! That is a wonderful Scripture that all should truly learn from. But we must know and understand the whole context of what Jesus was saying here.

"And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto Me. Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was hungered, and ye gave me no meat: was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer Him, saying, LORD, when saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall He answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." -- MATTHEW 25:40-46 KJV
​

That Scripture alone well describes what is happening with these refugee children at this time and those who are turning them away, purporting to be Christians and all others, by standing in front of buses and otherwise fighting hard to keep them out. Jesus cannot be pleased. But they will surely realize the error of their ways at their appointed time. Of that, there can be no doubt. Help the children NOW. Offer a kind hand and word and see the good of your efforts become a jewel for your crown.

I wonder what the Canaanites had to say about unchecked Hebrew immigration.

Essentially, the Canaanites were a group of people who lived approx. 3200 to 2200 BC. The Hebrews were the ones who fought with the Canaanites. And once entering into Palestine, the Hebrews saw that there was much Canaanite culture there and quickly replaced that culture with the one they had. However, that was not done fast and took time to accomplish. The Palestine people were also known to have descended from the Canaanites. It is believed that the Hebrews left Egypt in mid Thirteenth Century BC or so. I would therefore venture to say that while it may have been difficult for the Canaanites to intermix with the Hebrews during their time there they may have also learned valuable lessons from them as well as about their culture which may have been a good educational process for all.

 

[dblack]

I see that some of you don't quite understand what is a welfare state.

And any complaint that we have unlimited immigration is unwarranted.

Omnibus bill: sealed border, business employee reform, and immigration legislation.

Ignorant piece of shit

 

[Londoner]

ahem....drug violence has been happening in Central America for years....and the small number of refugees has remained pretty constant...

this recent 'surge' of children making a very dangerous trip to America happened due to Obama's encouragement and promises of 'permiso'....and you can blame him for the violence they suffered along the way...

And Saddam's violence was pretty consistent, especially when he was a key ally under Reagan and then Bush 41, when he gassed his own people.

For my part, I believe that Washington has neither the wallet nor competence to save the world from evil doers, which is why I could not believe when Republican voters went all in behind Bush when he started giving humanitarian reasons for removing Saddam.

Don't you understand? Washington can't fix big things like poverty or evil. Washington doesn't have the competence to run a laundromat, so why entrust it to turn a nation of jihadists into a shining beacon of modern democracy? Where do you get your faith in Washington? What made you think that Big Government bureaucrats could fix a pre-modern Arab nation? I'd love to get rid of all the evil doers. It would be great if Iraq was a safe place filled with people who loved America. But I don't think you can save the world from Washington. What separates me from the Right is that I didn't think Washington had the competence to create a long term solution in an Arab nation. Somehow we fed over 4,000 American lives into a black hole based partly on a humanitarian concern over Saddam. The reason I don't have the Republican faith in Big Government is because I believe in the law of unintended consequences, and that if Washington tries to fix a humanitarian crisis, the situation will only get worse.

Regarding the children from South America. I was not aware that Obama made a promise. I do know that George Will, arch conservative, said that we should take care of these children. I'm not affiliated with a political party that claims to stand for Jesus, but Republicans do claim to speak for religious Americans. I believe that Jesus would worry about saving these children first, and then he'd worry about blaming Obama and fixing the problem. It's clear that you're worried about blaming Obama first, and you're not really interested in helping the innocent refugees here now. Jesus would not abandon innocent children like the Fox conditioned Obama haters. This issue is not about children. It is about attacking Obama. Jesus is rolling over on his cross.

God Help Us.