Georgia why isn't Stacey Abrams in prison?

[BlindBoo]

What actions did Trumps side take after the court loss?

Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power. So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false, and the Defendant knew that they were false. But the Defendant repeated and widely disseminated them anyway—to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.

The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.

Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;

b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18U.S.C. § 1512(k);and

c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.Each of these conspiracies—which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud—targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election ("the federal government function").

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If it's refutable, fuckface, give the info the the defense lawyers, why the need to give themselves the unconstitutional power to obstruct justice?

Obstruction is a thing democrats are allowed to do. So I'm not sure you know what you are talking about

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power. So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false, and the Defendant knew that they were false. But the Defendant repeated and widely disseminated them anyway—to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.

The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.

Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;

b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18U.S.C. § 1512(k);and

c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.Each of these conspiracies—which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud—targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election ("the federal government function").

You're so far off you need a dog to lead you back to reality

 

[Rigby5]

Blart, questioning election results isn't a crime. Shaking down public officials to "find you" votes is. Submitting false electors is.

Are you still pretending that you were in law enforcement?

It is only a "shakedown" if you make specific threats, of which none were made.

It is impossible for anyone to "submit false electors".
That would require kidnapping the selected electors, and trying to pass off alternates as the selected ones, when everyone already knows the outcome on election night.
That is totally and completely so impossible as to be ludicrous.

 

[Rigby5]

What action has she taken based on those denials? What plots did she hatch to get redress? Who's arm was she caught twisting to change or recalculate the vote totals?

We all listened to the recording, and there was absolutely NO "arm twisting" in any way.
It was more like pleading.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Democratic presidential electors revolt against Trump

The Electoral College could see a historic number of "faithless electors."

www.politico.com

 

[BlindBoo]

You're so far off you need a dog to lead you back to reality

Shirley, even you can recall the letter the accused wanted sent out.

"The Defendant and co-conspirators attempted to use the power and authority of the Justice Department to conduct sham election crime investigations and to send a letter to the targeted states that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had identified significant concerns that may have impacted the election outcome; that sought to advance the Defendant's fraudulent elector plan by using the Justice Department's authority to falsely present the fraudulent electors as a valid alternative to the legitimate electors; and that urged, on behalf of the Justice Department, the targeted states' legislatures to convene to create the opportunity to choose the fraudulent electors over the legitimate electors."

 

[Rigby5]

“Questioning an election” isn’t the issue with Trump

It was his ACTIONS that are at issue

And there were no "actions" by Trump that could possibly have effected the election outcome illegally.
Alternate electors are normal procedure.
Trying to delay certification is odd but can be appropriate when so many complex electronics are involved in counting votes.

 

[BlindBoo]

We all listened to the recording, and there was absolutely NO "arm twisting" in any way.
It was more like pleading.

Two grand juries heard the recording and other evidence. The indictments are valid and the defendants will have their day in court, or they could plead out.

 

[Rigby5]

Shirley, even you can recall the letter the accused wanted sent out.

"The Defendant and co-conspirators attempted to use the power and authority of the Justice Department to conduct sham election crime investigations and to send a letter to the targeted states that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had identified significant concerns that may have impacted the election outcome; that sought to advance the Defendant's fraudulent elector plan by using the Justice Department's authority to falsely present the fraudulent electors as a valid alternative to the legitimate electors; and that urged, on behalf of the Justice Department, the targeted states' legislatures to convene to create the opportunity to choose the fraudulent electors over the legitimate electors."

That is ridiculously impossible.
Everyone one knows the election results on election night, so it is not possible to somehow switch electors.
While the DOJ can investigate, state control the voting, so the DOJ gets no official say.
The claims have to be totally and completely false.
There is no way anyone could possibly do what you suggest.
And there is no "letter" or else you would be quoting it instead of mischaracterizing it.

 

[Rigby5]

Two grand juries heard the recording and other evidence. The indictments are valid and the defendants will have their day in court, or they could plead out.

Grand juries are almost NEVER valid, and are notorious "ham sandwiches".
The opinion of lawyers is that grand juries should be illegal, as they are only used to prevent punishment for prosecutorial misconduct.

 

[BlindBoo]

Alternate electors are normal procedure.

Not really. Each party in each state selects their slate of electors prior to the election. In reality it is the electors that we the citizens vote for. Alternatives can be selected to replace a parties elector(s) in certain instances.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Shirley, even you can recall the letter the accused wanted sent out.

"The Defendant and co-conspirators attempted to use the power and authority of the Justice Department to conduct sham election crime investigations and to send a letter to the targeted states that falsely claimed that the Justice Department had identified significant concerns that may have impacted the election outcome; that sought to advance the Defendant's fraudulent elector plan by using the Justice Department's authority to falsely present the fraudulent electors as a valid alternative to the legitimate electors; and that urged, on behalf of the Justice Department, the targeted states' legislatures to convene to create the opportunity to choose the fraudulent electors over the legitimate electors."

Wrong never happened jack smith

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Not really. Each party in each state selects their slate of electors prior to the election. In reality it is the electors that we the citizens vote for. Alternatives can be selected to replace a parties elector(s) in certain instances.

Democratic presidential electors revolt against Trump

The Electoral College could see a historic number of "faithless electors."

www.politico.com

 

[Rigby5]

Despite having lost, the Defendant was determined to remain in power. So for more than two months following election day on November 3, 2020, the Defendant spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won. These claims were false, and the Defendant knew that they were false. But the Defendant repeated and widely disseminated them anyway—to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.

The Defendant had a right, like every American, to speak publicly about the election and even to claim, falsely, that there had been outcome-determinative fraud during the election and that he had won. He was also entitled to formally challenge the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means, such as by seeking recounts or audits of the popular vote in states or filing lawsuits challenging ballots and procedures. Indeed, in many cases, the Defendant did pursue these methods of contesting the election results. His efforts to change the outcome in any state through recounts, audits, or legal challenges were uniformly unsuccessful.

Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/US_v_Trump_23_cr_257.pdf

a. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371;

b. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18U.S.C. § 1512(k);and

c. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.Each of these conspiracies—which built on the widespread mistrust the Defendant was creating through pervasive and destabilizing lies about election fraud—targeted a bedrock function of the United States federal government: the nation's process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election ("the federal government function").

Clearly false.
Jan 6 in no way could have changed anything, and at most could only have delayed certification for a day. Which is GOOD.
Certification likely should have been delayed until Congress fully investigated voter fraud that states were unwilling to spend the money to do.
For example, all computer voting machines should be discarded, since they obviously are far too easy for anyone to hack.

 

[TheParser]

Why hasn't she been indicted for racketeering?

We all know the reason: She belongs to the untouchable folks in 2023 America.

They are forgiven for anything because of what happened in the past history of this nation.

(Here in Los Angeles, a city councilman of her ethnicity has just been sentenced to 3 years for corruption. Many liberal activists are outraged. They point out the good he has done for his community. They demand a shorter sentence. Maybe even home detention.)

 

[Rigby5]

Not really. Each party in each state selects their slate of electors prior to the election. In reality it is the electors that we the citizens vote for. Alternatives can be selected to replace a parties elector(s) in certain instances.

As you just admitted, "each party" selects their electors. Which means there are always 2 sets.
The one selected by the votes goes to DC, and the alternate electors stay home.
There always are "alternates".

 

[BlindBoo]

That is ridiculously impossible.
Everyone one knows the election results on election night, so it is not possible to somehow switch electors.
While the DOJ can investigate, state control the voting, so the DOJ gets no official say.
The claims have to be totally and completely false.
There is no way anyone could possibly do what you suggest.
And there is no "letter" or else you would be quoting it instead of mischaracterizing it.

Sorry Zippy, that is a direct quote from the indictment. My guess is that Smith has evidence of the request. While it is a ridiculous request to send to the States, since it was all a lie, that doesn't mean the Trumpyberra request it.

 

[Lesh]

That's why Trump is being indicted

If a mobster tells someone to commit murder he has actually performed no action. He does not however have the freedom of speech to give that order.

 

[Lesh]

Everyone one knows the election results on election night,

Ridiculous claim