Germany to Close All 84 Coal-fired power plants, rely primarily on Renewable energy

[polarbear]

29 January 2019
Merkel is on her way out the only reason why she still manages to cling to power because she forms coalitions with any party that trades concessions for power.

Germany’s Angela Merkel says she won’t run again for party leader or chancellor

Destroy Germany and then run away like the little bitch she is and take no responsibility... Typical leftard..

And now Germans are on the hook buying natural gas from Merkel`s buddy Putin.
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
Russian Influence
“There is not only Russian gas coming through the pipeline, but also Russian influence,” Grenell said in a statement to Bloomberg News. “Now is not the time to reward Moscow.”

The U.S. administration has indicated that sanctions on the pipeline are imminent. Trump brought tensions over Nord Stream into full view at last July’s NATO summit, raising the issue as he attacked Merkel over Germany’s slack defense spending.

 

[polarbear]

Germany and Russia have been working on a secret plan to broker a peaceful solution to end international tensions over Ukraine.

The Independent can reveal that the peace plan, being worked on by both Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin, hinges on two main ambitions: stabilising the borders of Ukraine and providing the financially troubled country with a strong economic boost, particularly a new energy agreement ensuring security of gas supplies.
Although Russia now provides EU countries with a third of their gas supplies through pipelines crossing Ukraine, Germany has its own bilateral gas pipeline direct to Russia making it less vulnerable than other European countries.

However, Russia is still the EU’s third-biggest trading partner with cross-border trade of $460bn (£272bn) last year, and the latest sanctions being introduced by the EU towards Russian individuals and banks will hurt European countries more than any other – particularly Germany, but also the City of London.

Central to the negotiations over any new gas deal with Gazprom is understood to be one of Ukraine’s wealthiest businessmen, the gas broker, Dmitry Firtash. Mr Firtash – who negotiated the first big gas deal between Ukraine and Russia between 2006 and 2009 – is now living in Vienna fighting extradition charges from the Americans. But he has close relations with the Russian and Ukrainian leaders – he supported Mr Poroschenko – and has been acting as a go-between behind the scenes at the highest levels.


More controversially, if Ms Merkel’s deal were to be acceptable to the Russians, the international community would need to recognise Crimea’s independence and its annexation by Russia, a move that some members of the United Nations might find difficult to stomach.

See all the real collusion with Russsia you can get away with as long as you can say you are saving the planet by closing coal plants....while surrendering not just one country but also allies to Putin and bitching about Trump "the climate change denier"

 

[otto105]

So

Someone has fooled you. Renewables are not.

Somebody doesn't have their own utility
Bills yet! Hmmmmm.

Jo

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Why is it that liberals love damaging the economy, and wasting trillions, for a negligible, at best, benefit?

Nobody has any idea what the hell that your posting about.

 

[otto105]

So

Someone has fooled you. Renewables are not.

Somebody doesn't have their own utility
Bills yet! Hmmmmm.

Jo

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

you ain't a bright guy eh? Ever look up the word conservative?

Yes, I just wanted one of you to admit to being a backwards looking knuckle dragger whose afraid of change.

 

[otto105]

So

Someone has fooled you. Renewables are not.

Somebody doesn't have their own utility
Bills yet! Hmmmmm.

Jo

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

 

[Billy_Bob]

So
Somebody doesn't have their own utility
Bills yet! Hmmmmm.

Jo

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

 

[jc456]

So
Somebody doesn't have their own utility
Bills yet! Hmmmmm.

Jo

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

you ain't a bright guy eh? Ever look up the word conservative?

Yes, I just wanted one of you to admit to being a backwards looking knuckle dragger whose afraid of change.

dude, I'm all for change. The change has to be practical and affordable for me to move off of anything.

 

[otto105]

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

 

[Billy_Bob]

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

 

[justoffal]

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Yeah um that's if it's done in a combined cycle plant. That means gas turbine to HRSG to steam turbine. Coveniently the power producers forget to tell you that they often leave the steam turbine out of the process.Taking it down in efficiency by about 40 percent and more than making up for the difference in the stoichiometric chemistry. Additionally gas combustion tends to leak unburned methane into the atmosphere which is 30 to 40 times more effective as a warming agent than Co2. But we're not done yet. There's another stack emission from Nat gas combustion that's about ten times heavier than coal. Water in the form of Vapor. Guess what atmospheric gas accounts for 98 percent of the greenhouse effect? You guessed it....water vapor.

Jo

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So
Somebody doesn't have their own utility
Bills yet! Hmmmmm.

Jo

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Why is it that liberals love damaging the economy, and wasting trillions, for a negligible, at best, benefit?

Nobody has any idea what the hell that your posting about.

Of course you have no idea, stupid liberal.

 

[otto105]

Unlike you I can read.


Renewable Energy Will Be Consistently Cheaper Than Fossil Fuels By 2020, Report Claims

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Why is it that liberals love damaging the economy, and wasting trillions, for a negligible, at best, benefit?

Nobody has any idea what the hell that your posting about.

Of course you have no idea, stupid liberal.

Did your reponse come directly from Big Oil or shrinking market coal?

 

[justoffal]

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

Correct. Gassified coal plants can be cleaner.
But they're missing the point totally anyway.
Why? Because the minute you take coal off the market gas will skyrocket in price because of supply and demand. It has already happened in Massachusetts. They closed Mount Tom, Salem Harbor and Brayton point. Immediately the Nat gas spot market jumped Fifty percent! Hah! Those big coal furnaces were keeping those bastards Honest. Imagine that. Then of course with the increase in rates they felt bold enough to shut down the steam turbine end of the combined cycle plants because of the expense of maintaining that part of the equipment. Uh-oh....there goes the efficiency!

Jo

 

[Billy_Bob]

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

Correct. Gassified coal plants can be cleaner.
But they're missing the point totally anyway.
Why? Because the minute you take coal off the market gas will skyrocket in price because of supply and demand. It has already happened in Massachusetts. They closed Mount Tom, Salem Harbor and Brayton point. Immediately the Nat gas spot market jumped Fifty percent! Hah! Those big coal furnaces were keeping those bastards Honest. Imagine that. Then of course with the increase in rates they felt bold enough to shut down the steam turbine end of the combined cycle plants because of the expense of maintaining that part of the equipment. Uh-oh....there goes the efficiency!

Jo

Exactly! its about lining their damn pockets... at our expense.. And these fools cant see it..

 

[justoffal]

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

Correct. Gassified coal plants can be cleaner.
But they're missing the point totally anyway.
Why? Because the minute you take coal off the market gas will skyrocket in price because of supply and demand. It has already happened in Massachusetts. They closed Mount Tom, Salem Harbor and Brayton point. Immediately the Nat gas spot market jumped Fifty percent! Hah! Those big coal furnaces were keeping those bastards Honest. Imagine that. Then of course with the increase in rates they felt bold enough to shut down the steam turbine end of the combined cycle plants because of the expense of maintaining that part of the equipment. Uh-oh....there goes the efficiency!

Jo

Exactly! its about lining their damn pockets... at our expense.. And these fools cant see it..

In the end there's virtually no reduction ini CO2 emissions.

Jo

 

[otto105]

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

Correct. Gassified coal plants can be cleaner.
But they're missing the point totally anyway.
Why? Because the minute you take coal off the market gas will skyrocket in price because of supply and demand. It has already happened in Massachusetts. They closed Mount Tom, Salem Harbor and Brayton point. Immediately the Nat gas spot market jumped Fifty percent! Hah! Those big coal furnaces were keeping those bastards Honest. Imagine that. Then of course with the increase in rates they felt bold enough to shut down the steam turbine end of the combined cycle plants because of the expense of maintaining that part of the equipment. Uh-oh....there goes the efficiency!

Jo

Exactly! its about lining their damn pockets... at our expense.. And these fools cant see it..

How is it that you can pretend to discuss an issue without facts?

 

[Billy_Bob]

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

Correct. Gassified coal plants can be cleaner.
But they're missing the point totally anyway.
Why? Because the minute you take coal off the market gas will skyrocket in price because of supply and demand. It has already happened in Massachusetts. They closed Mount Tom, Salem Harbor and Brayton point. Immediately the Nat gas spot market jumped Fifty percent! Hah! Those big coal furnaces were keeping those bastards Honest. Imagine that. Then of course with the increase in rates they felt bold enough to shut down the steam turbine end of the combined cycle plants because of the expense of maintaining that part of the equipment. Uh-oh....there goes the efficiency!

Jo

Exactly! its about lining their damn pockets... at our expense.. And these fools cant see it..

How is it that you can pretend to discuss an issue without facts?

How is it you can pretend to discuss an issue without facts?

All I have seen from you is your opinion. I on the other hand, worked in industries that use scrubbing technology and have seen first hand their use and impacts. All I see from you is hyperbole an bull shit..

 

[otto105]

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Do you know what the difference is between burning coal and burning Nat gas?

About a 50-60% reduction in cardon dixiode when burned correctly.

The bull shit is strong with this one....

IF you attained that level, we would all have to stop using ALL oil based products and stop burning everything.. And we still would not attain the desired levels you want.

You are telling us the world must commit suicide to please you fucking idiots..

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

Okay willybob,

In the last 500,000 years CO2 reached a high of 300ppm about 300,000 years ago. Today we are at 410ppm.

Can you point to the natural occurance that is causing the current spike in CO2 levels?

 

[otto105]

We keep going in the conservative direction we will commit suicide. The 50-60% reduction in cardon dioxide is the difference between burning coal and natural gas idiot.

Actually, Coal burned and exhaust scrubbing makes it cleaner than NG. But you all ignore that because it doesn't fit your narrative.

As for your BS 50-60% reduction, man is only causing 5% of the total rise in our atmosphere and the rest is from natural sources. There is no way in hell you can reduce it to the levels you suggest without removing man from the earth... and then it would only slow it minimally until our masses degraded..

Correct. Gassified coal plants can be cleaner.
But they're missing the point totally anyway.
Why? Because the minute you take coal off the market gas will skyrocket in price because of supply and demand. It has already happened in Massachusetts. They closed Mount Tom, Salem Harbor and Brayton point. Immediately the Nat gas spot market jumped Fifty percent! Hah! Those big coal furnaces were keeping those bastards Honest. Imagine that. Then of course with the increase in rates they felt bold enough to shut down the steam turbine end of the combined cycle plants because of the expense of maintaining that part of the equipment. Uh-oh....there goes the efficiency!

Jo

Exactly! its about lining their damn pockets... at our expense.. And these fools cant see it..

How is it that you can pretend to discuss an issue without facts?

How is it you can pretend to discuss an issue without facts?

All I have seen from you is your opinion. I on the other hand, worked in industries that use scrubbing technology and have seen first hand their use and impacts. All I see from you is hyperbole an bull shit..

Okay, what happens to the alkaline solution used in the scrubbing technolgy?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

according to a new report from the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA).

In the meantime, the cupcake federation says cupcakes don't make you fat.
The Vodka Foundation says Hillary Clinton testified that vodka doesn't get you drunk.

Why is it that conservatives love to old technolgy and view points.


Additionally, anti-climate change websites claim that there isn't AGM happening and coal is clean according to the PR campaign paid for by the old energy industries.

Why is it that liberals love damaging the economy, and wasting trillions, for a negligible, at best, benefit?

Nobody has any idea what the hell that your posting about.

Of course you have no idea, stupid liberal.

Did your reponse come directly from Big Oil or shrinking market coal?

Yeah, who needs oil anyway? I fuel my car with unicorn farts.