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Ironically,
Gingrich, for a decade or so, has been trying to re-invent himself.
Can't you imbeciles understand that the Palestinians want to make their homeland INTO a country?
There weren't any American passports 300 years ago either.
Passports only came into existence after WW I.
The Palestinians haven't earned a homeland, and Israel would be crazy to grant them true statehood. They are thugs who kill their own children.
The Israelis have killed more Palestinian civilians than Palestinians have killed Israeli civilians.
There's been a place called PALESTINE much much MUCH longer than there's been a surname called GINGRICH/
One can ONLY conclude from that fact that the name GINGRICH is an invented name and that NO SUCH people really exist
Palestinian Arabs were classified as citizens of Palestine by the UN before 1948.There's been a place called PALESTINE much much MUCH longer than there's been a surname called GINGRICH/
One can ONLY conclude from that fact that the name GINGRICH is an invented name and that NO SUCH people really exist
Apples and oranges again when you compare ethnic peoples to a mere family.
Also Newt never said that the Palestinians dont exist; he simply said that as an ethnic group they are 'made up', which is true. Prior to 1948 the Palestinian Arabs were virtually the same as other Arab groups in the area, but after the wars that the Palestinians and their allies have started against Isreal and lost, the situation has changed and they have a very different history and culture from that of other Arabs in the Middle East.
Can't you imbeciles understand that the Palestinians want to make their homeland INTO a country?
There weren't any American passports 300 years ago either.
Passports only came into existence after WW I.
The Palestinians haven't earned a homeland, and Israel would be crazy to grant them true statehood. They are thugs who kill their own children.
The Israelis have killed more Palestinian civilians than Palestinians have killed Israeli civilians.
"There is something particularly horrifying when someone is shot in the head.Passports only came into existence after WW I.
The Palestinians haven't earned a homeland, and Israel would be crazy to grant them true statehood. They are thugs who kill their own children.
The Israelis have killed more Palestinian civilians than Palestinians have killed Israeli civilians.
True and the Palestinians love that. Palestinians set up their command structure and send rockets across the border from schools, hospitals and residential headquarters.
And then they leave the children in the schools instead of evacuating them and pray to Allah that the Isrealis will respond.
And you support folks like that?
'Palestine' was the name the Romans gave what was known prior to that as 'Judea', the Wikipedia link and quote I provided document that.
No, it doesn't prove that at all. All you've demonstrated is that the Romans used the name Palestine. But you've ignored the fact that the name Palestine predates Roman usage. It predates the Kingdom of Judah. "Palestine" is not even a Latin word, which proves that it is not of Roman origin.
Lol, your assertion here is easily proven wrong.
Online Etymology Dictionary
Ironically,
Gingrich, for a decade or so, has been trying to re-invent himself.
Isnt that a central concept to liberalism?
So why are libs condemning Newt for being like them on some things?
This criticism of Newt by the libs is all political character assassination and nothing more.
Do you think it could have anything to do with the fact that anytime Israel let's her guard down, someone from inside those "occupied" territories starts lobbing rockets or visiting other parts of Israel wearing bombs strapped to their chests?
Let's try dealing with reality.
Israel acquired the West Bank and Gaza by conquest when they were attacked by their Arab neighbors.
The Arabs lost and as such lost the land.
That has happened the world over since time began.
Do you think if any of the Arab aggressors had held land in Israel in 1968 that they would have given it back? Why should Israel give back land that they won in battle?
Do you think it could have anything to do with the fact that anytime Israel let's her guard down, someone from inside those "occupied" territories starts lobbing rockets or visiting other parts of Israel wearing bombs strapped to their chests?
Gee, do you think that could have anything to do with the fact that every time Palestine lets its guard down, someone from Israel starts burning Palestinian crops, or forcibly removes Palestinians from their homes to set up a Jewish settlement, or the military kills 20 children to get to a single suspected "terrorist."
Let's try dealing with reality.
Well you're failing my friend. You're dealing with a biased and single sided view that has already made its conclusions before the information has been presented, and then reinvents new information in light of the starting biases.
NO! This is exactly what I'm talking about. You start off with bias, and you redefine "facts" to support your bias. Israel declared simultaneously itself independent and grabbed more land that it admitted wasn't its own. Israel's Declaration of Independence was largely predicated on the UN's Partition Plan. But when Israel declared itself a country, it claimed for itself land that belonged to Palestine according to the plan. Israel's very act of coming into existence coincided with an act of illegal war.
But you are all too willing to ignore that and insist that Israel is entitled to those lands, and to forsake any claim of the Palestinians that the land is rightfully theirs. The fact that you insist that Israel has an unquestionable right to claim such territories based on some "spoils of war" theory is equivalent to giving a stamp of approval to Israel to simply start a war based on nothing more than a desire for expansion and to eliminate other countries. And that mentality is exactly why Jordan, Egypt, et al immediately declared war on Israel. Because the same Zionist movement that lead to immigration into Palestine, led to the Jewish terrorism as a means to gain control and eventually declare themselves a state, heavily postulated their position on the same biblical prophesies that would also see a state of Israel eventually conquer Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt too.
As I've said already, Israel's biggest problem is that it refuses to recognize its own offenses. Israel doesn't want to admit its own mistakes, and by doing so insists on keeping old wounds open.
Palestine lost a war in which they were never involved? Yet again, you twist facts to fit your biases.
That has happened the world over since time began.
And murder has happened the world over since time began. Should we simply accept that it happens and not hold people accountable?
Do you think if any of the Arab aggressors had held land in Israel in 1968 that they would have given it back? Why should Israel give back land that they won in battle?
The Jews have been the aggressor from day one. The very same Jewish "statesmen" who declared Israel a state were active terrorists the day before. But you want to ignore all of that. You want to simply give carte blanche to Israel.
No, it doesn't prove that at all. All you've demonstrated is that the Romans used the name Palestine. But you've ignored the fact that the name Palestine predates Roman usage. It predates the Kingdom of Judah. "Palestine" is not even a Latin word, which proves that it is not of Roman origin.
The greeks had a different pronunciation than the one we have today
NO ONE called it that from the time of the Romans till the Brits took over.
So there is no Palestinian people historically
and they have nothing genetically to do with the Phillistines or any of that other idiotic crap you have been saying.
lololololololol, I could have shown this simple FACT earlier, but I wanted to see how stupidly you would deny the obvious, which you have done repeatedly.
You have to be the single most arrogant and ignorant poster I have seen at this web site.
Good Lord Almighty, please, give it up, but if you dont, I dont mind humiliating you repeatedly and will camp this thread till the end of time. I dont care how stupid you make yourself look.
lolol
[1. Everything you've said here is fals. Saying that ask Arabs are the same people is like saying that the Dutch, Germans, Franks, Slavs, British, etc are all the same people.
2. Just because someone presents facts that interfere with racists views of people who have an irrational hatred for Palestinians does not mean they hate Israel.
Notice I didn't have all the Arab countries listed genus. Genetically the people in that general area, the geographic location of what was once commonly known as "Palestine" Syria, Lebanon, and Jordanian people are more similar genetically. Thats why I say they are all the same people. For the most part Jews are also similar genetically to those people. Jews from Europe are more similar genetically to Jordanians ect.. Then they are to most European peoples
These areas were tribal communities for hundreds of years under the Ottomans and even before that, there were no countries there. The Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland with the Zionist movement, The Arabs also stated to flock to what would become the modern state of Israel because of the jobs. Jewish immigration was limited at times under the British, Arab immigration was not.
So It seems to me that that since all those Arabs in that area are made up of the same people and they already have most of the land, why do they keep wanting more? Let the Jews have their little country, But thats not what its about, most of the muslims want no Jews and they would exterminate all of them if they were able. Got it now genus?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlzDXWWRdM]Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya'qub on Jews vs Geert Wilders trial in The Netherlands - YouTube[/ame]
I never said it did. Your straw man arguments are pointless and another indication of your ignorance and stupidity. Not to be rude or anything.
Which has nothing to do with my assertion, doofus.
It has everything to do with why the Arabs left the Arabian Peninsula, dumbass.
Another straw man argument, proving, once again, what ann ignoramus you are.
I am not surprised that you cannot tolerate God being above you, lol.
I understand it perfectly but that does not change the simple FACT that the Palestinian Arabs were just another group of Arabs who lived in a different set of provinces, and there was no 'ethnicity' to it till after 1948.
The vast differences between Assyrians, Arabs and Jews are apparent and simply cannot be considered comparable to the minor differences between th e Arabs of Palestine, Egypt and Syria prior to 1948.
That is WHAT I SAID, DUMBASS. You were the one who refered to the British ethnic group, not me. lololol
No, it does not compare at all; apples to oranges to compare the variations of Arabs to the variations of English speaking groups here in the US.
The fact that you say that is just astonishingly stupid.
Bullshit. The Isrealis do not target civilian populations with military force in order to terrorize them if for no other reason that they simply dont need to.
Such rationalizations are used by all hateful people.
The simple fact is that the typical Isreali killed by a rocket attack or at a bus stop by a suicide bomber has nothing to do with what these people think are the cause for their greivances.
But haters dont care and retaliate in their twisted minds against everyone of the enemy group, no matter what their age, sex, or military status.
It is pathetic you cant grasp that.
Sure it is, dumbass, because it is refusing to distinguish between the innocent and guilty of those they hate AS A GROUP.
And the politics can change in a good way if the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank and Gaza would stop teaching their children to hate Isrealis.
Noam Chomsky has been writing about the Arab Peace Plan since 1976.
"The fact that the Israel-Palestine conflict grinds on without resolution might appear to be rather strange.
"For many of the world's conflicts, it is difficult even to conjure up a feasible settlement.
"In this case, it is not only possible, but there is near universal agreement on its basic contours: a two-state settlement along the internationally recognized (pre-June 1967) borders -- with 'minor and mutual modifications,' to adopt official U.S. terminology before Washington departed from the international community in the mid-1970s.
"The basic principles have been accepted by virtually the entire world, including the Arab states (who go on to call for full normalization of relations), the Organization of Islamic States (including Iran), and relevant non-state actors (including Hamas).
"A settlement along these lines was first proposed at the U.N. Security Council in January 1976 by the major Arab states.
"Israel refused to attend the session.
"The U.S. vetoed the resolution, and did so again in 1980..."
A Middle East Peace That Could Happen (But Won't): In Washington-Speak, "Palestinian State" Means "Fried Chicken"
[1. Everything you've said here is fals. Saying that ask Arabs are the same people is like saying that the Dutch, Germans, Franks, Slavs, British, etc are all the same people.
2. Just because someone presents facts that interfere with racists views of people who have an irrational hatred for Palestinians does not mean they hate Israel.
Notice I didn't have all the Arab countries listed genus. Genetically the people in that general area, the geographic location of what was once commonly known as "Palestine" Syria, Lebanon, and Jordanian people are more similar genetically. Thats why I say they are all the same people. For the most part Jews are also similar genetically to those people. Jews from Europe are more similar genetically to Jordanians ect.. Then they are to most European peoples
These areas were tribal communities for hundreds of years under the Ottomans and even before that, there were no countries there. The Jews started returning to their ancestral homeland with the Zionist movement, The Arabs also stated to flock to what would become the modern state of Israel because of the jobs. Jewish immigration was limited at times under the British, Arab immigration was not.
So It seems to me that that since all those Arabs in that area are made up of the same people and they already have most of the land, why do they keep wanting more? Let the Jews have their little country, But thats not what its about, most of the muslims want no Jews and they would exterminate all of them if they were able. Got it now genus?
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlzDXWWRdM]Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya'qub on Jews vs Geert Wilders trial in The Netherlands - YouTube[/ame]
Based on your argument, there is no difference between the Jews and Arabs. They're all one people. Yet, you insist that the Jews should specially be given their own country separate from the rest of the Arab world. I got an idea. Since the Palestinians and Jews can't seem to agree, how about we just divide the whole region up. Part goes to Jordan, part goes to Egypt, part goes to Syria. They're all one people, so it doesn't matter, right? Something tells me you're still not going to be happy with arrangement, even though your argument seems to be that since they're all one people none of them need their own separate country.
The Arab armies that took defensive positions around the lands partitioned to Arab citizens of Palestine in 1948 are the biggest reason it took Israel two generations to extend control to the Jordan River.I'm proud of the fact the the USA rejected it. Any "settlement" crafted by the Arabs is a raw deal. The Arabs attacks Israel and then promptly they got their asses whipped. They don't get to impose the terms of a "settlement" on anyone.
Noam Chomsky has been writing about the Arab Peace Plan since 1976.
"The fact that the Israel-Palestine conflict grinds on without resolution might appear to be rather strange.
"For many of the world's conflicts, it is difficult even to conjure up a feasible settlement.
"In this case, it is not only possible, but there is near universal agreement on its basic contours: a two-state settlement along the internationally recognized (pre-June 1967) borders -- with 'minor and mutual modifications,' to adopt official U.S. terminology before Washington departed from the international community in the mid-1970s.
"The basic principles have been accepted by virtually the entire world, including the Arab states (who go on to call for full normalization of relations), the Organization of Islamic States (including Iran), and relevant non-state actors (including Hamas).
"A settlement along these lines was first proposed at the U.N. Security Council in January 1976 by the major Arab states.
"Israel refused to attend the session.
"The U.S. vetoed the resolution, and did so again in 1980..."
A Middle East Peace That Could Happen (But Won't): In Washington-Speak, "Palestinian State" Means "Fried Chicken"
No, it doesn't prove that at all. All you've demonstrated is that the Romans used the name Palestine. But you've ignored the fact that the name Palestine predates Roman usage. It predates the Kingdom of Judah. "Palestine" is not even a Latin word, which proves that it is not of Roman origin.
Lol, your assertion here is easily proven wrong.
Online Etymology Dictionary
Did you miss this part, maybe?
From your cite:
from Heb. Pelesheth "Philistia, land of the Philistines."
Ironically,
Gingrich, for a decade or so, has been trying to re-invent himself.
Isnt that a central concept to liberalism?
So why are libs condemning Newt for being like them on some things?
This criticism of Newt by the libs is all political character assassination and nothing more.
I fail to see why it's supposed to be a negative, sinister thing that people grow and change over time. "Reinvention" is the natural state of human beings, unless something is very, very wrong. I'm certainly not the person I was ten years ago, and I don't even have a significant renewal of my religious faith to point to, like Newt Gingrich does.
I have no problem with looking at the things he's done and the books he's written over that period of time and saying, "This is a man who has learned and grown and become more enlightened", and then moving the fuck ON already. Good for him.
Do you think it could have anything to do with the fact that anytime Israel let's her guard down, someone from inside those "occupied" territories starts lobbing rockets or visiting other parts of Israel wearing bombs strapped to their chests?
Gee, do you think that could have anything to do with the fact that every time Palestine lets its guard down, someone from Israel starts burning Palestinian crops, or forcibly removes Palestinians from their homes to set up a Jewish settlement, or the military kills 20 children to get to a single suspected "terrorist."
Well you're failing my friend. You're dealing with a biased and single sided view that has already made its conclusions before the information has been presented, and then reinvents new information in light of the starting biases.
NO! This is exactly what I'm talking about. You start off with bias, and you redefine "facts" to support your bias. Israel declared simultaneously itself independent and grabbed more land that it admitted wasn't its own. Israel's Declaration of Independence was largely predicated on the UN's Partition Plan. But when Israel declared itself a country, it claimed for itself land that belonged to Palestine according to the plan. Israel's very act of coming into existence coincided with an act of illegal war.
But you are all too willing to ignore that and insist that Israel is entitled to those lands, and to forsake any claim of the Palestinians that the land is rightfully theirs. The fact that you insist that Israel has an unquestionable right to claim such territories based on some "spoils of war" theory is equivalent to giving a stamp of approval to Israel to simply start a war based on nothing more than a desire for expansion and to eliminate other countries. And that mentality is exactly why Jordan, Egypt, et al immediately declared war on Israel. Because the same Zionist movement that lead to immigration into Palestine, led to the Jewish terrorism as a means to gain control and eventually declare themselves a state, heavily postulated their position on the same biblical prophesies that would also see a state of Israel eventually conquer Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt too.
As I've said already, Israel's biggest problem is that it refuses to recognize its own offenses. Israel doesn't want to admit its own mistakes, and by doing so insists on keeping old wounds open.
Palestine lost a war in which they were never involved? Yet again, you twist facts to fit your biases.
And murder has happened the world over since time began. Should we simply accept that it happens and not hold people accountable?
Do you think if any of the Arab aggressors had held land in Israel in 1968 that they would have given it back? Why should Israel give back land that they won in battle?
The Jews have been the aggressor from day one. The very same Jewish "statesmen" who declared Israel a state were active terrorists the day before. But you want to ignore all of that. You want to simply give carte blanche to Israel.
You keep claiming bias and labeling others as racist.
Racism is the belief that one's race is superior to another.
You use the word without even knowing the correct definition and only as a bomb thrower.
