Give A Man A Fish

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

Make him a corporate fisherman, investors and CEO might let him keep one out of 10 fish he catches, and if he asks for more of his own damn fish, you call him a "Communist"!
No, he doesn't get to keep ANY of the fish he catches. They're not HIS. Not his boat, not his gear. He gets paid for his time. If that's not good enough, he can find another job. Why is it that you fail to understand even the most basic concepts?

Mostly because I don't accept it.

1% of the population owns half the wealth in this country. They did not do half the physical labor. They merely controlled the resources.

Now you clowns whine about "socialism" all day, but I see no difference between the government allocating the resources and a corporation allocating the resources.
 
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Again, thank you for reconfirming what I wrote. You are a communist who hates rich people and poor Chinese women.

Of course he and his investors are going to keep all the profits. Profits belong to the owners of the business. If you're a communist, you believe otherwise.

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Someone who makes a profit on the exploitation of poor women, being crowded 120 to a dorm, peeing into the same bucket, and being surrounded by barbed wire to keep them in, frankly isn't admirable.

You can scream Communism all day, but the fact is, Mitt's Mormon God apparently has no problem with this kind of behavior.

Only the select are getting into the celestial heaven, and the rest of us are screwed, I guess.
 
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Again, thank you for reconfirming what I wrote. You are a communist who hates rich people and poor Chinese women.

Of course he and his investors are going to keep all the profits. Profits belong to the owners of the business. If you're a communist, you believe otherwise.

Almost all of those women in that dormitory were there because the business that you hate so much was providing them with a better life than they had subsistence farming, where they probably lived in a two room shack on a two acre plot and dumped their raw sewage in the stream running by. Over 100 million people have migrated from the Chinese hinterlands to the coast to work in these factories because they pay better and the working conditions are better.

They tried your ideology in China and it failed, JoeAmpad. So now they're trying capitalism and its resulted in biggest increase of people out of abject poverty in the shortest period of time in human history.

But keep on hatin'!

Yup, if you think the people do the work enjoy should enjoy the benefit of it, you are a "communist"...

China is a regime that forces women to have abortions, that harvests people for transplant organs, that runs over people with tanks for merely wanting the right to free speech.

And of course, the Plutocratic assholes like yourself think it's wonderful.

No, JoeBigot, you're a communist because you think all wealth is stolen, capitalism is evil and treason, there should be an equal division of wealth, the 1% is the enemy, the workers have more rights over capital than the owner of the capital, and investing in parasitic. Oh, and violence is OK when the business owner lays off workers and workers should be allowed to terrorize the business owner's family.

That makes you the most extremist leftist here.
 
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No, JoeBigot, you're a communist because you think all wealth is stolen, capitalism is evil and treason, there should be an equal division of wealth, the 1% is the enemy, the workers have more rights over capital than the owner of the capital, and investing in parasitic. Oh, and violence is OK when the business owner lays off workers and workers should be allowed to terrorize the business owner's family.

That makes you the most extremist leftist here.

Guy, it's only "Class Warfare" when the working class fights back.

I don't think there should be an "Equal division" of wealth. I think there should be a FAIR division of wealth. That you can't see the difference is a part of the problem.

Point of fact. You put your philosophy on the ballot in November. And the people rejected it.

Praise Jesus.
 
I want them to go to the people who actually did the work... or least the proceeds of selling the fish.

Sorry, the owner of the fishing company sitting in his office didn't catch one fucking fish. Some guy on a boat did that.

Yes, but the man in the office paid for the boat, and the gas & oil to run it, the rods & reels and all the rest of the equipment on the boat, the bait, the ice to put the fish on once they're landed, and the labor for the guy to go out and catch the fish.
I'd say that makes it HIS fish, not the guy's who did the catching. The only thing the guy who caught the fish deserves is the pay that he agreed upon with the guy that sits up there in the office, and not one cent more.
If he wants fish, he has two choices. Either buy the equipment and go catch his own fish on his own time, or go to the grocery store and buy the fish.

The only problem with this is that in today's environment the owner is a corporation that doesn't think that the fisherman employee should be paid more than minimum wage, and even that is too much. And the last thing the corporation wants to see is for the fisherman to join a union so that he can have a fighting chance to negotiate for a decent wage. In the meantime, stockholders are upset because they are only seeing a 6% return on their investment which they believe is too low, so they fire the CEO and give him a $200 million golden parachute, and then the new CEO comes in and says the company needs to start cutting costs. And we wonder why the middle class is taking it up the ass.

Salaries are negotiated BEFORE the job is offered by the EMPLOYER and accepted by the EMPLOYEE, not afterward. If the person isn't satisfied with the salary offered, then they shouldn't take the job.
 
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Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

Make him a corporate fisherman, investors and CEO might let him keep one out of 10 fish he catches, and if he asks for more of his own damn fish, you call him a "Communist"!

If someone is paying you to fish and providing all the equipment then the fish you catch are not your fish are they?

Quite the reverse. If the investor or the CEO could catch his own damned fish, he'd be out in this boat doing it.

The fact is, they can't.... so it's just as much my fish as his. That's the point.

More to the point- to beat the metaphor to death. If he's keeping 9 fish and he only needs one, isn't that greed?

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.
 
If someone is paying you to fish and providing all the equipment then the fish you catch are not your fish are they?

Quite the reverse. If the investor or the CEO could catch his own damned fish, he'd be out in this boat doing it.

The fact is, they can't.... so it's just as much my fish as his. That's the point.

More to the point- to beat the metaphor to death. If he's keeping 9 fish and he only needs one, isn't that greed?

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.

Or we just change the laws to COMPELL profit sharing.

Dumbass.

It's only class warfare when they fight back.
 
Quite the reverse. If the investor or the CEO could catch his own damned fish, he'd be out in this boat doing it.

The fact is, they can't.... so it's just as much my fish as his. That's the point.

More to the point- to beat the metaphor to death. If he's keeping 9 fish and he only needs one, isn't that greed?

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.

Or we just change the laws to COMPELL profit sharing.

Dumbass.

It's only class warfare when they fight back.

Profit come from risk. If you risk nothing then you get no share other than compensation for your services. You chose to work for an employer, you risked nothing. You agreed to a rate of pay in exchange for your labor. If you want to keep profits then you can start your own business.

Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?
 
Quite the reverse. If the investor or the CEO could catch his own damned fish, he'd be out in this boat doing it.

The fact is, they can't.... so it's just as much my fish as his. That's the point.

More to the point- to beat the metaphor to death. If he's keeping 9 fish and he only needs one, isn't that greed?

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.

Or we just change the laws to COMPELL profit sharing.

Dumbass.

It's only class warfare when they fight back.

This one could never be the captain of his own boat,just not in him.
 
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Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because THEY did the fucking work!

Or as this REBUBLICAN said.

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.- Abraham Lincoln

Read more at Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and... - Abraham Lincoln at BrainyQuote
 
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This one could never be the captain of his own boat,just not in him.

NOr do I have any desire to.

But I also expect not to be lied to and cheated by the owner of the boat.

I expect to not be let go because I had a medical issue after I had paid for insurance, because they were trying to cut down on their insurance expenses...

So I'm kind of done with the boat owners lording it over the rest of us.

What you guys are afraid of isn't socialism, it's Democracy.
 
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Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because THEY did the fucking work!

And they got compensated for doing the work. If you don't like the compensation package that you agreed to when you were hired then you can renegotiate. If the renegotiation is unacceptable then you are free to quit and find another employer to contract your services or you can start your own business.

If we use your "logic" then any contractor that builds a house should receive some of the profit when the house is sold because he did the work.

Or as this REBUBLICAN said.

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.- Abraham Lincoln

Read more at Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and... - Abraham Lincoln at BrainyQuote

I am not and have never been a republican so I don't really see why you believe that quote will mean anything to me.
 
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Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because THEY did the fucking work!

And they got compensated for doing the work. If you don't like the compensation package that you agreed to when you were hired then you can renegotiate. If the renegotiation is unacceptable then you are free to quit and find another employer to contract your services or you can start your own business.

If we use your "logic" then any contractor that builds a house should receive some of the profit when the house is sold because he did the work.

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Or we can just change the laws so that employers can't cheat at every oppurtunity.

What I've found is not "Will my employer lie to me" but "When are they going to lie to me", because they always do.

Forget about "renegotiating", I'd be happy if they did what they promised to start with.

And if we need to get Congress to pass laws to make them behave, I'm all for that. If we need to tax the shit out of them, I'm all for that, too.
 
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Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because THEY did the fucking work!

And they got compensated for doing the work. If you don't like the compensation package that you agreed to when you were hired then you can renegotiate. If the renegotiation is unacceptable then you are free to quit and find another employer to contract your services or you can start your own business.

If we use your "logic" then any contractor that builds a house should receive some of the profit when the house is sold because he did the work.

Or as this REBUBLICAN said.

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.- Abraham Lincoln

Read more at Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and... - Abraham Lincoln at BrainyQuote

I am not and have never been a republican so I don't really see why you believe that quote will mean anything to me.

Or that an opinion by a lawyer about economics from 150 years ago would matter.
 
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Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because THEY did the fucking work!

Yes, they did the work so they got paid a wage. The profits are the wages of capital, which is necessary to hire labor in the first place.

By your logic, if labor should be able to share in the profits then they should also share in the losses. Thus, labor would have to give back wages they were paid. Of course, it doesn't work that way. Nor should it.

The biggest expense of most businesses is labor. The return to capital is almost always a fraction paid to labor.
 
Because THEY did the fucking work!

And they got compensated for doing the work. If you don't like the compensation package that you agreed to when you were hired then you can renegotiate. If the renegotiation is unacceptable then you are free to quit and find another employer to contract your services or you can start your own business.

If we use your "logic" then any contractor that builds a house should receive some of the profit when the house is sold because he did the work.

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Or we can just change the laws so that employers can't cheat at every oppurtunity.

All employers do not cheat. We do not punish all people for the acts of a few. If your employer breached a contract then you have legal rights.

What I've found is not "Will my employer lie to me" but "When are they going to lie to me", because they always do.

Anecdotal and irrelevant.

Forget about "renegotiating", I'd be happy if they did what they promised to start with.

Then quit and find a new employer to buy your labor or start your own business and be the kind of employer you would like to be.

And if we need to get Congress to pass laws to make them behave, I'm all for that. If we need to tax the shit out of them, I'm all for that, too.

There are already enough laws governing contracts and workplace standards.

The fact that you can't work within that framework is more an illustration of your failings than anyone else's.
 
It's impossible to pass enough laws to govern the entirety of human behavior. Eventually people just stop paying attention to the laws, all of them. Then you need more laws and the government becomes a tyranny. Well, ours is already a tyranny. So you can see how it works.
 
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No, JoeBigot, you're a communist because you think all wealth is stolen, capitalism is evil and treason, there should be an equal division of wealth, the 1% is the enemy, the workers have more rights over capital than the owner of the capital, and investing in parasitic. Oh, and violence is OK when the business owner lays off workers and workers should be allowed to terrorize the business owner's family.

That makes you the most extremist leftist here.

Guy, it's only "Class Warfare" when the working class fights back.

I don't think there should be an "Equal division" of wealth. I think there should be a FAIR division of wealth. That you can't see the difference is a part of the problem.

Point of fact. You put your philosophy on the ballot in November. And the people rejected it.

Praise Jesus.

FAIR IS SUBJECTIVE.. you collectivist piece of shit

YOU don't get to tell someone else that they have earned enough so that you get to dip your grubby hands in to take for yourself and those you have an affinity for

Kill yourself and make the world a better place... it is only FAIR
 
Quite the reverse. If the investor or the CEO could catch his own damned fish, he'd be out in this boat doing it.

The fact is, they can't.... so it's just as much my fish as his. That's the point.

More to the point- to beat the metaphor to death. If he's keeping 9 fish and he only needs one, isn't that greed?

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.

Or we just change the laws to COMPELL profit sharing.

Dumbass.

It's only class warfare when they fight back.

Yep.. force your subjectivity.. the collectivist way
 
Quite the reverse. If the investor or the CEO could catch his own damned fish, he'd be out in this boat doing it.

The fact is, they can't.... so it's just as much my fish as his. That's the point.

More to the point- to beat the metaphor to death. If he's keeping 9 fish and he only needs one, isn't that greed?

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.

Or we just change the laws to COMPELL profit sharing.

Dumbass.

It's only class warfare when they fight back.

In other words you want laws that make STEALING legal.
 

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