Give A Man A Fish

[chikenwing]

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This one could never be the captain of his own boat,just not in him.

NOr do I have any desire to.

But I also expect not to be lied to and cheated by the owner of the boat.

I expect to not be let go because I had a medical issue after I had paid for insurance, because they were trying to cut down on their insurance expenses...

So I'm kind of done with the boat owners lording it over the rest of us.

What you guys are afraid of isn't socialism, it's Democracy.

So there it is,I feel I got screwed and I want everyone else to feel my pain regardless.

My guess is your malcontent attitude didn't help you with your employment.

Democracy doesn't exists in business unless you have a vote on the board.

 

[FJO]

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Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because THEY did the fucking work!

Or as this REBUBLICAN said.

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.- Abraham Lincoln

Read more at Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and... - Abraham Lincoln at BrainyQuote

Unlike you, Abraham Lincoln realized that the word "labor" includes not only physical, but mental efforts.

If you had enough brains, you would be the owner of the boat.

 

[Katzndogz]

Give a man a fish today and tomorrow he will have a knife to your throat stealing the rest of your fish.

 

[Jarhead]

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This one could never be the captain of his own boat,just not in him.

NOr do I have any desire to.

But I also expect not to be lied to and cheated by the owner of the boat.

I expect to not be let go because I had a medical issue after I had paid for insurance, because they were trying to cut down on their insurance expenses...

So I'm kind of done with the boat owners lording it over the rest of us.

What you guys are afraid of isn't socialism, it's Democracy.

So there it is,I feel I got screwed and I want everyone else to feel my pain regardless.

My guess is your malcontent attitude didn't help you with your employment.

Democracy doesn't exists in business unless you have a vote on the board.

Thats what they dont get.

People are so wrapped on in "their rights" as an employee, they lose sight of their future.

If you ask you average Joe how many vacation days he gets, he will give you a number that includes all vacation days earned, all personal days allowed and all sick days allowed.

Of course....to the average Joe.....days "allowed" are deemed as days earned....and thus vacation days with another name.

As an employer?

I dont want someone who looks for excuses to not have to go to work.

I want someone who finds a way to get to work, no matter the obstacles.

 

[Jarhead]

Give a man a fish today and tomorrow he will have a knife to your throat stealing the rest of your fish.

Give a man a fish today, and tomorrow he will be complaining that you took the larger fish.

 

[Jarhead]

Give a man a fish today and tomorrow he will have a knife to your throat stealing the rest of your fish.

Give a man a fish today, and tomorrow he will be complaining that you took the larger fish.

Slight change....

Give a man a fish today, and tomorrow you will be villified by the left for allegedly keeping the larger fish for yourself.

 

[gallantwarrior]

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.

Or we just change the laws to COMPELL profit sharing.

Dumbass.

It's only class warfare when they fight back.

Profit come from risk. If you risk nothing then you get no share other than compensation for your services. You chose to work for an employer, you risked nothing. You agreed to a rate of pay in exchange for your labor. If you want to keep profits then you can start your own business.

Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because it's the fu-u-h-a-i-i-rrr [said in a nasal, whiny drawl] thing!

 

[gallantwarrior]

No your employment contract tells you that the fish are not yours.

If you want to keep your fish then you should buy the boat, the gear, get the licenses and fish for yourself.

Or we just change the laws to COMPELL profit sharing.

Dumbass.

It's only class warfare when they fight back.

This one could never be the captain of his own boat,just not in him.

This one cannot do anything without government or a union. You're right, not in him to do anything for himself. If breathing weren't an autonomous function, he'd have suffocated at birth. Shame.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Because THEY did the fucking work!

And they got compensated for doing the work. If you don't like the compensation package that you agreed to when you were hired then you can renegotiate. If the renegotiation is unacceptable then you are free to quit and find another employer to contract your services or you can start your own business.

If we use your "logic" then any contractor that builds a house should receive some of the profit when the house is sold because he did the work.

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Or we can just change the laws so that employers can't cheat at every oppurtunity.

What I've found is not "Will my employer lie to me" but "When are they going to lie to me", because they always do.

Forget about "renegotiating", I'd be happy if they did what they promised to start with.

And if we need to get Congress to pass laws to make them behave, I'm all for that. If we need to tax the shit out of them, I'm all for that, too.

You seem to have had a lot of trouble with employers. Many employers, apparently. Maybe, just maybe, you need to look in the mirror to find the root to your employment difficulties. I work with a guy like you. We call him "Mr. Happy". This guy has taken bitching and complaining to a high art form. He's like, the Michelangelo of whining. Most of us leave the office when he comes in because no one wants to hear it. That's you. All whine, no action, let's get a union so we can pay some thugs to steal for us, and from us.

 

[blastoff]

...Teach a man to fish...and he's likely to spend a considerable amount of the rest of his life in a boat drinking beer.

 

[JoeB131]

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Why should a person who risked everything to start a business share his profits with anyone?

Because THEY did the fucking work!

Yes, they did the work so they got paid a wage. The profits are the wages of capital, which is necessary to hire labor in the first place.

By your logic, if labor should be able to share in the profits then they should also share in the losses. Thus, labor would have to give back wages they were paid. Of course, it doesn't work that way. Nor should it.

The biggest expense of most businesses is labor. The return to capital is almost always a fraction paid to labor.

I really love it when the apologists for the 1% plead poverty...

It would be almost funny if they hadn't wrecked the fucking country.

 

[Toro]

Because THEY did the fucking work!

Yes, they did the work so they got paid a wage. The profits are the wages of capital, which is necessary to hire labor in the first place.

By your logic, if labor should be able to share in the profits then they should also share in the losses. Thus, labor would have to give back wages they were paid. Of course, it doesn't work that way. Nor should it.

The biggest expense of most businesses is labor. The return to capital is almost always a fraction paid to labor.

I really love it when the apologists for the 1% plead poverty...

It would be almost funny if they hadn't wrecked the fucking country.

You want to throw out another diversionary logical fallacy to distract us from your Fog of Hate?

 

[JoeB131]

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FAIR IS SUBJECTIVE.. you collectivist piece of shit

YOU don't get to tell someone else that they have earned enough so that you get to dip your grubby hands in to take for yourself and those you have an affinity for

Kill yourself and make the world a better place... it is only FAIR

Dave, you seem to have some real anger problems.

Somehow I doubt you are any richer than I am, but you support a bad system, why exactly?

Because some day, you hope to eat the scraps off their table?

Fair is a pretty reasonable standard.

The reality is, the reason we don't have a "fair" standard is most Americans don't know that the top 1% has half the wealth and the top 20% have 85% of it.

 

[JoeB131]

Thats what they dont get.

People are so wrapped on in "their rights" as an employee, they lose sight of their future.

If you ask you average Joe how many vacation days he gets, he will give you a number that includes all vacation days earned, all personal days allowed and all sick days allowed.

Of course....to the average Joe.....days "allowed" are deemed as days earned....and thus vacation days with another name.

As an employer?

I dont want someone who looks for excuses to not have to go to work.

I want someone who finds a way to get to work, no matter the obstacles.

I'm not sure wher eyou get that number.

Frankly, I have to wonder what kind of employer wants his employees to work when they are sick and never wants them to have any downtime...

For the record, when I left my last job, they owed my four weeks of vacation. That doesn't count the vacation time I lost because I never had time to take it.

Even the illness that ran up so many bills they felt the need to fire me, only missed 8 working days.

Americans only get two weeks of vacation on average, compared to Europeans who get six.

Guess who has a higher quality of life satisfaction? Less Stress?

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, they did the work so they got paid a wage. The profits are the wages of capital, which is necessary to hire labor in the first place.

By your logic, if labor should be able to share in the profits then they should also share in the losses. Thus, labor would have to give back wages they were paid. Of course, it doesn't work that way. Nor should it.

The biggest expense of most businesses is labor. The return to capital is almost always a fraction paid to labor.

I really love it when the apologists for the 1% plead poverty...

It would be almost funny if they hadn't wrecked the fucking country.

You want to throw out another diversionary logical fallacy to distract us from your Fog of Hate?

Not a diversionary thing at all.

Your greed brought down the country... Period.

And you guys didn't learn a fucking thing. That's the scary part.

 

[JoeB131]

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Unlike you, Abraham Lincoln realized that the word "labor" includes not only physical, but mental efforts.

If you had enough brains, you would be the owner of the boat.

Guy, it's isn't brains. Frankly, my last boss was nearly retarded.

But he was the kind of guy who would fire you for getting sick, and then still try to act like he was your friend.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

Make him a corporate fisherman, investors and CEO might let him keep one out of 10 fish he catches, and if he asks for more of his own damn fish, you call him a "Communist"!

You're a Communist because you want to take 9 of the 10 fish from the owner of the fishing company and give them to someone else.

I want them to go to the people who actually did the work... or least the proceeds of selling the fish.

Sorry, the owner of the fishing company sitting in his office didn't catch one fucking fish. Some guy on a boat did that.

The whacky thing is, Republicans USED to understand that.

That was before they thought nominating a mutant like Romney who wistfully wanted us to be more like China with the working folks lined up behind barbed wire...

When I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there. It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married.

And they work in these huge factories, they made various uh, small appliances. And uh, as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day, the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with uh, with little bathrooms at the end of maybe 10, 10 room, rooms. And the rooms they have 12 girls per room.

Three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen, you've seen them? (Oh...yeah, yeah!) And, and, and around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire and guard towers. And, and, we said gosh! I can't believe that you, you know, keep these girls in! They said, no, no, no. This is to keep other people from coming in.

Yeah, for some reason, some of us don't think we should go along with sort of shit, what Romney considers ideal when he rides by on his Dressage Horsie...

Why do you insist making us Chicago guys look stupid?

 

[Toro]

I really love it when the apologists for the 1% plead poverty...

It would be almost funny if they hadn't wrecked the fucking country.

You want to throw out another diversionary logical fallacy to distract us from your Fog of Hate?

Not a diversionary thing at all.

Your greed brought down the country... Period.

And you guys didn't learn a fucking thing. That's the scary part.

Classic diversionary tactics using logical fallacies;

You --> "The business man should be forced to share his profits with the workers!"

Everyone else --> "The workers are paid a wage. The profits go to the business owner."

You --> You're an apologist for the 1%! Greed brought down the country! Dressage ponies!​

That's exactly how this argument went. That's how your arguments often go.

And you accuse Dave of having anger problems.

 

[RDD_1210]

No better way to "teach a man to fish" then to deny him health insurance and pay him minimum wage.

 

[Katzndogz]

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.

Teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.

Make him a corporate fisherman, investors and CEO might let him keep one out of 10 fish he catches, and if he asks for more of his own damn fish, you call him a "Communist"!

If someone is paying you to fish and providing all the equipment then the fish you catch are not your fish are they?

Quite the reverse. If the investor or the CEO could catch his own damned fish, he'd be out in this boat doing it.

The fact is, they can't.... so it's just as much my fish as his. That's the point.

More to the point- to beat the metaphor to death. If he's keeping 9 fish and he only needs one, isn't that greed?

you might have a good point IF
You paid for part of the boat. You pay for repair of the boat. You bought the fishing gear you use. You pay part of the salary of the guy who captains the boat. You pay for the ice to keep the fish fresh. You give up the right to sue your boss when you get a harpoon through your leg. You find the market for the fish you catch and pay for transpotation costs to get it there. Then you assume the same risk the greedy employer assumes in getting the fish to market before it spoils. Now you have an argument that keeping nine fish makes him greedy. Otherwise it is just you that is greedy.

Do you honestly think that all these things just fell out of the sky and this awful greedy guy was just lucky enough to stumble across a fishing business ?

If the provider of your job is very fortunate you will get a fish and he will get half a fish. He wiill take his half a fish and save a tail fin so he can buy another boat to hire another ingrate like yourself.