Give a man a fish.......

[guno]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to pray or a fish and he will die of hunger

 

[Rotagilla]

Handing out endless trinkets from the treasury is not pragmatic. It only leads to dependency.

The Dept of Agriculture administers the food stamp program and they are proud that they can handle the volume, because there are more americans on food stamps than ever before in the history of the nation.

The Dept of the Interior administers the National Parks.
When you go to a national park you see signs that say "Please do not feed the animals".

The reason is that if animals become dependent on handouts, they will stop foraging for their food and lose the ability to fend for themselves....

 

[rightwinger]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

This is where govt comes in and exploits minorities, promising them trinkets out of the treasury and then delivering them to a perpetual state of induced hell.

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

 

[Skull Pilot]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

This is where govt comes in and exploits minorities, promising them trinkets out of the treasury and then delivering them to a perpetual state of induced hell.

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

When people are able to feed themselves but instead rely on others to feed them what do you call that?

 

[rightwinger]

..that's quite profound, little partisan.

You got it all figured out.

If all the energy and resources devoted to apologizing for and subsidising bad life choices were devoted to educating people that citizens had a duty and responsibility to prepare for life, and take care of themselves, we could eliminate most poverty in a generation.

Continued dependence is the sole hope of the Democrat party, so, I expect no change.

If the factory that supported your community moves to China, is that a bad life choice?

That is the problem facing our cities. The jobs that used to sustain the people (you may even call them fish) are gone

Read the book "Who Moved My Cheese".

The libs are the mice who whine about the cheese being moved.....

The Republicans are the ones who enact laws that say.....Don't touch my cheese!

What laws might they be? Could you name one or two?

Reaganomics

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

This is where govt comes in and exploits minorities, promising them trinkets out of the treasury and then delivering them to a perpetual state of induced hell.

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

Do you realize how many have been added to the welfare rolls under O? There is no plantation mentality. Those are just lib scare talking points to keep the votes rolling in.

 

[Rotagilla]

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

LMAO.."slavery"

If this nation lasted a thousand more years (..it probably won't last 10 more years but that's another thread)...negroes (and their enablers) would STILL try to blame slavery for all negro dysfunction.

 

[Conservative65]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

How many generations do we need to be giving out fish? If your fish is delivered to your door, why even bother to learn to fish?

Yet another cornerstone of conservatism

People will not want to work unless they suffer enough. There is no society on earth where the poor have done better by giving them less

How's this giving them more working out?

I have seen many poor take advantage of jobs training bills, jobs programs, educational opportunities, small business loans ....

Does that count as more?

No, those are the good things that lift people.

Those are the things that done right break the cycle.

If they lifted people to the degree you seem to think they do, no one would be down. Those type programs have been around for years.

The problem isn't the programs not being done right but the people in them not doing right then blaming the programs for their personal failures. I already pay taxes to fund someone going to school through the 12th grade. If they don't make the best of that educational opportunity, why should it be my place as a taxpayer to provide them other opportunities later?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Handing out endless trinkets from the treasury is not pragmatic. It only leads to dependency.

The Dept of Agriculture administers the food stamp program and they are proud that they can handle the volume, because there are more americans on food stamps than ever before in the history of the nation.

The Dept of the Interior administers the National Parks.
When you go to a national park you see signs that say "Please do not feed the animals".

The reason is that if animals become dependent on handouts, they will stop foraging for their food and lose the ability to fend for themselves....

That was an excellent example, Rotagilla!

 

[Conservative65]

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

LMAO.."slavery"

If this nation lasted a thousand more years (..it probably won't last 10 more years but that's another thread)...negroes (and their enablers) would STILL try to blame slavery for all negro dysfunction.

The over 70% bastard rate among blacks, something that is the leading cause of other problems within that community, isn't a function of slavery except in the sense of the Democrats keeping them on the plantation through government programs.

 

[Rotagilla]

If all the energy and resources devoted to apologizing for and subsidising bad life choices were devoted to educating people that citizens had a duty and responsibility to prepare for life, and take care of themselves, we could eliminate most poverty in a generation.

Continued dependence is the sole hope of the Democrat party, so, I expect no change.

If the factory that supported your community moves to China, is that a bad life choice?

That is the problem facing our cities. The jobs that used to sustain the people (you may even call them fish) are gone

Read the book "Who Moved My Cheese".

The libs are the mice who whine about the cheese being moved.....

The Republicans are the ones who enact laws that say.....Don't touch my cheese!

What laws might they be? Could you name one or two?

Reaganomics

"reagonomics" isn't a law. It isn't even a word.

 

[blackhawk]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

If there are no fish where you live you learn another skill or trade if you cant afford a pole make one for many many years people did that with a piece of wood any kind of string or twine you could find and any sharp metal you can make into a hook a safety pin would suffice you can dig for worms to use as bait for free fishing license that's a government thing I believe I can't say I have ever heard of a members only fishing hole.

That is true

Our poor have to compete with a bamboo pole and a safety pin for a hook and try to catch fish against someone with huge nets a million dollar taxpayer subsidized boat and fishfinders. When new fishing laws and restrictions are enacted, they only impact the guy with the bamboo pole

Explains the disparity in wealth

What is true is that is how you might have to start but it doesn't mean that's where you have to stay.

With fair competition, that is the way it should be. As you catch more and more fish. you can afford better equipment

But what happened was we were convinced to spend taxpayer dollars on expensive fishing boats for the wealthy. The wealthy are best suited for catching fish. The more fish the wealthy catch, the more will trickle down to feed everyone.

The problem is ....the wealthy just kept the fish

Our society needs to invest more in the average fisherman

It's not the responsibility of society to make you a more successful fisherman . This is the problem with the country some look for ways to succeed while others look for reasons to fail or to not even try.

 

[Freewill]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

This is where govt comes in and exploits minorities, promising them trinkets out of the treasury and then delivering them to a perpetual state of induced hell.

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

What programs have been cut?

 

[rightwinger]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

This is where govt comes in and exploits minorities, promising them trinkets out of the treasury and then delivering them to a perpetual state of induced hell.

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

Do you realize how many have been added to the welfare rolls under O? There is no plantation mentality. Those are just lib scare talking points to keep the votes rolling in.

Do Republicans want to slash benefits to these people so they can cut taxes on the wealthy?

 

[rightwinger]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

This is where govt comes in and exploits minorities, promising them trinkets out of the treasury and then delivering them to a perpetual state of induced hell.

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

What programs have been cut?

Read the Paul Ryan budget that Republicans have passed for the last three years

 

[rightwinger]

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime

This is one of the cornerstones of conservatism today. Self determination. No "free stuff". Who could have a problem with such a basic principle of society? Why don't Liberals get it?

But what happens when there are no fish where you live?
What happens if you can't afford a pole, tackle and a license?
What happens when you go to fish and are told......."Only members are allowed to fish here"

This is where government comes in. The idea that once you have taught people to fish, your job is done does not always work in a society. Sometimes we need government to break dowmn barriers to fishing

If there are no fish where you live you learn another skill or trade if you cant afford a pole make one for many many years people did that with a piece of wood any kind of string or twine you could find and any sharp metal you can make into a hook a safety pin would suffice you can dig for worms to use as bait for free fishing license that's a government thing I believe I can't say I have ever heard of a members only fishing hole.

That is true

Our poor have to compete with a bamboo pole and a safety pin for a hook and try to catch fish against someone with huge nets a million dollar taxpayer subsidized boat and fishfinders. When new fishing laws and restrictions are enacted, they only impact the guy with the bamboo pole

Explains the disparity in wealth

What is true is that is how you might have to start but it doesn't mean that's where you have to stay.

With fair competition, that is the way it should be. As you catch more and more fish. you can afford better equipment

But what happened was we were convinced to spend taxpayer dollars on expensive fishing boats for the wealthy. The wealthy are best suited for catching fish. The more fish the wealthy catch, the more will trickle down to feed everyone.

The problem is ....the wealthy just kept the fish

Our society needs to invest more in the average fisherman

It's not the responsibility of society to make you a more successful fisherman . This is the problem with the country some look for ways to succeed while others look for reasons to fail or to not even try.

It is societies role to ensure a level playing field
It is also the role of any civilized society to help those who need help

 

[Rotagilla]

This is where govt comes in and exploits minorities, promising them trinkets out of the treasury and then delivering them to a perpetual state of induced hell.

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

What programs have been cut?

Read the Paul Ryan budget that Republicans have passed for the last three years

No. That's not how adult discussions work. ....support your claim.
You made an allegation about republicans...Now YOU support YOUR claim with specifics...

 

[Rotagilla]

If there are no fish where you live you learn another skill or trade if you cant afford a pole make one for many many years people did that with a piece of wood any kind of string or twine you could find and any sharp metal you can make into a hook a safety pin would suffice you can dig for worms to use as bait for free fishing license that's a government thing I believe I can't say I have ever heard of a members only fishing hole.

That is true

Our poor have to compete with a bamboo pole and a safety pin for a hook and try to catch fish against someone with huge nets a million dollar taxpayer subsidized boat and fishfinders. When new fishing laws and restrictions are enacted, they only impact the guy with the bamboo pole

Explains the disparity in wealth

What is true is that is how you might have to start but it doesn't mean that's where you have to stay.

With fair competition, that is the way it should be. As you catch more and more fish. you can afford better equipment

But what happened was we were convinced to spend taxpayer dollars on expensive fishing boats for the wealthy. The wealthy are best suited for catching fish. The more fish the wealthy catch, the more will trickle down to feed everyone.

The problem is ....the wealthy just kept the fish

Our society needs to invest more in the average fisherman

It's not the responsibility of society to make you a more successful fisherman . This is the problem with the country some look for ways to succeed while others look for reasons to fail or to not even try.

It is societies role to ensure a level playing field
It is also the role of any civilized society to help those who need help

Define "society" and explain specifically what "they" need to do to "ensure a level playing field"?

 

[Statistikhengst]

If there are no fish where you live you learn another skill or trade if you cant afford a pole make one for many many years people did that with a piece of wood any kind of string or twine you could find and any sharp metal you can make into a hook a safety pin would suffice you can dig for worms to use as bait for free fishing license that's a government thing I believe I can't say I have ever heard of a members only fishing hole.

That is true

Our poor have to compete with a bamboo pole and a safety pin for a hook and try to catch fish against someone with huge nets a million dollar taxpayer subsidized boat and fishfinders. When new fishing laws and restrictions are enacted, they only impact the guy with the bamboo pole

Explains the disparity in wealth

What is true is that is how you might have to start but it doesn't mean that's where you have to stay.

With fair competition, that is the way it should be. As you catch more and more fish. you can afford better equipment

But what happened was we were convinced to spend taxpayer dollars on expensive fishing boats for the wealthy. The wealthy are best suited for catching fish. The more fish the wealthy catch, the more will trickle down to feed everyone.

The problem is ....the wealthy just kept the fish

Our society needs to invest more in the average fisherman

It's not the responsibility of society to make you a more successful fisherman . This is the problem with the country some look for ways to succeed while others look for reasons to fail or to not even try.

It is societies role to ensure a level playing field
It is also the role of any civilized society to help those who need help

But not everyone wants to be civilized.

Some want to swing from the trees, scrape their knuckles on the ground, stick wood sticks into the hearts of other homo sapiens and then say: "hmmmmm, interesting.... now get off my fucking lawn".

 

[rightwinger]

Exploit?
The Government has provided dozens of programs that have helped the poor rise from poverty.
All conservatives offer is prisons

Of course its exploitation. You know that. Elected officials offer up the world to stay in office. They all do it.
The government hasn't provided anything. The taxpayers pay and their are s

Republicans need to get off their Plantation meme ...it makes them look like idiots and trivializes slavery

Helping people who need help is not exploiting them
Feeding the hungry is not exploiting them
Curing the sick is not exploiting them

But Republicans cutting programs that help the poor so they can maintain taxcuts for the wealthy IS exploiting the poor

What programs have been cut?

Read the Paul Ryan budget that Republicans have passed for the last three years

No. That's not how adult discussions work. ....support your claim.
You made an allegation about republicans...Now YOU support YOUR claim with specifics...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/us/politics/paul-ryan-budget.html?_r=0

In his plan, military spending through 2024 would actually rise by $483 billion over the spending caps established in the 2011 Budget Control Act “consistent with America’s military goals and strategies,” while nondefense spending at Congress’s annual discretion would be cut by $791 billion below those strict limits.
In all, Mr. Ryan said, spending would be cut by $5.1 trillion over the next decade. More than $2 trillion of that would come from repealing Mr. Obama’s health care initiative, the Affordable Care Act
As with past budget proposals, Mr. Ryan seeks to eliminate the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion, a $792 billion retrenchment, then turn the health care program for the poor into block grants to the states —
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But the toughest cuts would come from domestic programs that have already been reduced steadily since 2011, when Republicans took control of the House. Mr. Ryan’s 2024 domestic spending figure would be lower in nominal dollars than such spending was in 2005. Adjusted for inflation, it would be a 29 percent cut from today’s levels, and 28 percent below the average level of spending in former President George W. Bush’s administration.
Nor did Mr. Ryan shy away from hot-button issues. Education