Give 'em Hell in a Hurry, Harry!

[Ropey]

We All Wish To Die As Martyrs

In that group of people. The ones that die? Their immediate family is taken care of in perpetuity. Not only have they been indoctrinated, but they are rewarded for seeking to die with eagerness.

So, are these civilians when you say Israeli settlers are not?

 

[P F Tinmore]

We All Wish To Die As Martyrs

In that group of people. The ones that die? Their immediate family is taken care of in perpetuity. Not only have they been indoctrinated, but they are rewarded for seeking to die with eagerness.

So, are these civilians when you say Israeli settlers are not?

Good question. Palestine has no military. So you could say that they are all civilians. Now to make it legitimate to kill Palestinians it is necessary to create different catagories of civilians. To Israel, anyone who resists the occupation is a legitimate target. The international community seems to agree with this.

Israeli settlers are integrel, necessary, and active members of the illegal occupation. If there were no settlers there would be no Israel and there would be no occupation. It seems that this status removes them from the protection granted to civilians.

This is not just my opinion.

 

[georgephillip]

If Israeli settlers have no legal right under international law to claim land in occupied Palestine, they are thieves willing to commit murder to advance their crime.

The SWIFT way of ending this occupation still starts in Brussels:

"If international civil society is serious about urgently ending Israel’s violations of Palestinian rights, including ending the occupation, then suspension of SWIFT transactions to and from Israeli banks offers an instrument to help bring about a peaceful resolution of an intractable conflict...

"Although access to New York banks remains essential for foreign exchange transactions because of the role of the dollar, interbank transfer instructions are conducted through the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), which is based in Belgium...

"SWIFT links 8,740 financial institutions in 209 countries.

"Without access to SWIFT and its interbank payment network, countries are unable either to pay for imports or to receive payment for exports.

"In short, no payment - no trade."

And Apartheid Israel vanishes like White Only South Africa.

 

[georgephillip]

True or False?

"Prior to the 1948 war, Palestinian Christians and Muslims were a two-third majority of the population of Palestine, who owned and operated 93% of Palestine's lands?"

Care to Quiz Yourself?

 

[P F Tinmore]

True or False?

"Prior to the 1948 war, Palestinian Christians and Muslims were a two-third majority of the population of Palestine, who owned and operated 93% of Palestine's lands?"

Care to Quiz Yourself?

Don't forget that there were some indigenous Palestinian Jews. They were, and still are, opposed to the creation of Israel inside Palestine.

 

[signelect]

I think that what I read says that all of it is true and that all governments are beholding to some other entity. There have been rumors some proven and some not that their were Corporate heads who were pulling strings in Washington during WWII. I suspect it is true and still going on. We have allowed a system to develop where our so called leaders are ALL for sales. If you go back, way back, in history you find this same pattern to be true. Judas was paid the silver so the people in power did not have to get their hands dirty getting rid of someone who was in the way. It is always about control.

 

[georgephillip]

Gore Vidal and JFK would agree:

"Sometime in the late 1950s, that world-class gossip and occasional historian, John F. Kennedy, told me how, in 1948, Harry S. Truman had been pretty much abandoned by everyone when he came to run for president.

"Then an American Zionist brought him two million dollars in cash, in a suitcase, aboard his whistle-stop campaign train.

"'That's why our recognition of Israel was rushed through so fast.'

"As neither Jack nor I was an antisemite (unlike his father and my grandfather) we took this to be just another funny story about Truman and the serene corruption of American politics.

Jewish History, Jewish Religion

 

[Ropey]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvP4MZtKJ4w]Hamas Evil, Hummus Good. Maybe that's what the Palestinians thought they were voting for? Hummus?[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

More Gore

"Unfortunately, the hurried recognition of Israel as a state has resulted in forty-five years of murderous confusion, and the destruction of what Zionist fellow travellers thought would be a pluralistic state – home to its native population of Muslims, Christians and Jews, as well as a future home to peaceful European and American Jewish immigrants, even the ones who affected to believe that the great realtor in the sky had given them, in perpetuity, the lands of Judea and Samaria.

"Since many of the immigrants were good socialists in Europe, we assumed that they would not allow the new state to become a theocracy, and that the native Palestinians could live with them as equals.

"This was not meant to be. I shall not rehearse the wars and alarms of that unhappy region.

"But I will say that the hasty invention of Israel has poisoned the political and intellectual life of the USA, Israel's unlikely patron."

Have you personally ever met a "native Palestinian" you regarded as your equal?

Or is that trolling?

Jewish History, Jewish Religion

 

[Ropey]

We All Wish To Die As Martyrs

In that group of people. The ones that die? Their immediate family is taken care of in perpetuity. Not only have they been indoctrinated, but they are rewarded for seeking to die with eagerness.

So, are these civilians when you say Israeli settlers are not?

Palestine has no military.

Just terrorists?

 

[Ropey]

Since most of the armistice lines between Israeli forces and Jordanian forces were inside Palestine, there was little reason to mention Palestine's borders. However, the border between the West Bank and Jordan have changed little if any from there definition in 1922. That is the original border between Palestine and Jordan.

Wrong, as usual.

"Palestine's" borders for the Jewish homeland were established in 1922 by the League of Nations, from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea and from Galilee to the Negev.

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Israel-History-Martin-Gilbert/dp/0688123635/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293304801&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Israel: A History (9780688123635): Martin Gilbert: Books[/ame]

Yes, it's pretty clear.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Since most of the armistice lines between Israeli forces and Jordanian forces were inside Palestine, there was little reason to mention Palestine's borders. However, the border between the West Bank and Jordan have changed little if any from there definition in 1922. That is the original border between Palestine and Jordan.

Wrong, as usual.

"Palestine's" borders for the Jewish homeland were established in 1922 by the League of Nations, from the Jordan River to the Med. Sea and from Galilee to the Negev.

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Israel-History-Martin-Gilbert/dp/0688123635/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1293304801&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Israel: A History (9780688123635): Martin Gilbert: Books[/ame]

Yes, it's pretty clear.

The Armistice Agreement of 1949 defines the status of Israel as of that time. It took place after the end of the Palestine Mandate, after UN Resolution 181, after Israel declared itself to be a state, and after the 1948 war.

The armistice was called by UN resolution. There was no surrender. No country lost any land in that war.

All of the internationally recognized borders mentioned were between Lebanon and Palestine, Syria and Palestine, Jordan and Palestine, and Egypt and Palestine. No borders were mentioned for Israel.

The "green line" (that was specifically stated to NOT be national or political borders) defined areas of occupation. It did not change Palestine's internationally recognized borders.

The cease fire was between "Israeli forces" and the forces of the other countries. "Israel" was not mentioned.

Article I in all the agreements started with: "With a view to promoting the return of permanent peace in Palestine..."

The Avalon Project : Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, March 23, 1949

The Avalon Project : Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949

The Avalon Project : Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, April 3, 1949

The Avalon Project : Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement, February 24, 1949

 

[Ropey]

he Mind of Suicide Killers
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOTH_xv6O4o"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 1 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWVei-1HaeU"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 2 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m_7IO5aICY"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 3 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8ltKveMM8c"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 4 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIF3FReGIWM"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 5 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOjzvx5TD_U"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 6 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4smXSem6nM"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 7 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsgWGiDaGA"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 8 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK-jJ-JRyvA"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 9 of 10 [/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bnD_obCvEk"]The mind of Suicide Killers part 10 of 10 [/ame]

 

[Ropey]

The Threat of the Human Shield Strategy Hamas Uses Extends Beyond Israel, Gaza;

There are over 50 Muslim countries in the world which consider themselves MUSLIM countries and treat their women, and non-Muslims as second class citizens. The Palestinians are not citizens of Israel and like every other country in the world, are not privileged to the same rights as are a country's citizens.

The Gaza Strip has been turned back to the people as Israel left it completely in 2005. Israel is under no obligation to allow a group of people who call for its destruction to use any part of Israel as a land route. Israel is not obligated under international law or any law for that matter to let a single Gazan step foot on Israeli soil. Almost every country in the world controls its borders, and Israel is no different. Israel is under no obligation to live up a higher standard than any other country in the world. The Palestinians want equality? Let them ask for peace and build a second Palestinian homeland run by Palestinians. The fact is that the Palestinians don't have a single person capable of creating and running and independent country. If you can name anyone who is up to the job, please name him or her. They can't stop killing each other and the mark of a beginning of humanistic civility is when people stop killing their own in power grabs.

Please also compare Israel and religious freedoms with 'any' of the Muslim countries, including Indonesia. To attack Israel as a suppressor of religious freedoms, when there is no Muslim country with anything half way close to the freedoms of Israel is the complete and utter proof of some form of insanity. Even the Arabians who are negotiating with the Jews don't believe such tripe.

Any bit of research will tell the truth. Yes, Israel has some fanatics, the more so for all the attacks the Arabians have promulgated from Israel's birth (Push them into the Sea) to the Hamas's Khartoum Accord Dictates (The Three No's.). All state their wish for the destruction of Israel. It is clear enough to me and you can be certain that any discussion of peace with twenty thousand Hezbollah on Israel's south borders is just not going to happen. We know the weapons against us and we know the targeting on the American bases in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as Saudi and Egypt. Yes, we know and it is certainly taken into account by a knowledgeable West.

Whilst Palestinian apologists continue this brinkmanship game, PF continue to demand massive deaths in the Middle East. If he had any idea of what Israel has in its defensive weaponry and IF he truly cared about lives in the ME, he would see that negotiation is the way to go and Arabian demanded intermediaries in the negotiating process is unworkable and be certain that the dynamics of negotiations will change if a war comes about. Be certain of that.

Israel has some of the worlds prized nuclear physicists, chemical engineers, etc. If this war comes, there will be a lot of mopping up for the US. They will create a far stronger hegemony when this is over.

This upcoming war never was about the Palestinians. They are no more than flotsam and jetsam in the bigger game called the middle eastern hegemony. Iraq attempted to break it. The terrorists attempted to break it and now Iran attempts to break it. Some think they will win. I do not.

Not propaganda. No words. Just pictures of Palestinians herding their young whilst they shoot at helicopters, outposts, etc.

Hamas does this alll for the express purpose of the propaganda links you post. The young WANT to be killed as martyrs. They've been taught this since childhood.

Want some of those videos?


But our snipers are pretty good. We get their shooters mostly. Those are mostly the ones dead. Not all, but Israel sure tries to separate what Hamas puts together.

* Read more about Gaza.
* Read more about Hamas.
* Read more about Israel.
* Read more about al Qaeda.

 

[georgephillip]

Testimonies of Israeli Female Soldiers

"Somehow, a female combatant has to prove herself more, on the ground too. Again, a female combatant who can lash out is a serious fighter. Capable. A ball-breaker. There was one with me when I got there, she’d been there long before, she was – wow, everyone talked about what grit she had, because she could humiliate Arabs without batting an eyelash. That was the thing to do."

Israel-Palestine

 

[docmauser1]

"Somehow, a female combatant has to prove herself more, on the ground too. Again, a female combatant who can lash out is a serious fighter. Capable. A ball-breaker. There was one with me when I got there, she’d been there long before, she was – wow, everyone talked about what grit she had, because she could humiliate Arabs without batting an eyelash. That was the thing to do."

Arab chauvinists were pissed, no doubt.

 

[georgephillip]

Extra Effort

"Breaking The Silence Israeli group reported that several Israeli female soldiers testified... regarding 'extra efforts' that female soldiers should conduct in order to be recognized and accepted by the fellow male soldiers.

"One of the soldiers said that she had to humiliate the Palestinians on roadblocks, to shout at them and even to beat them to achieve this recognition.

"Another soldier said that she saw a fellow female soldier humiliating Palestinian residents 'in a way that cannot be described by words', and added that 'you have to see it to realize how she behaves, how she humiliates the Palestinians without caring about anything'”.

Gorilla your dreams, doc?

The Missing Headlines

 

[docmauser1]

"Another soldier said that she saw a fellow female soldier humiliating Palestinian residents 'in a way that cannot be described by words', and added that 'you have to see it to realize how she behaves, how she humiliates the Palestinians without caring about anything'”.

Arab chauvinism-based society was, understandably, pissed.

 

[georgephillip]

Israeli Justice

"At least 50 female soldiers testified on what the army is doing on roadblocks in the occupied West Bank, and at the Eretz Terminal between Gaza and Israel.

One of the soldiers said that the soldiers arrested a Palestinian youth who hurled stones at them in the center of Hebron, in the southern part of the West Bank.

One of the soldiers was so scared from the small stone hurled by the youth, fell into a ditch and broke his leg.

"The soldier was moved to an Israeli hospital while his comrades caught the Palestinian youth and deliberately broke his arm.


"They forced him to lay his arm on a chair, and then they hit it with a sharp object, she added."

Put down that rock, doc.

Missing Headlines

 

[docmauser1]

Israeli Justice

Californian deviants are pissed.