Global Warming. Kiss Your Ass Goodbye.

You don't know what you are talking about. Sorry.
I do know what I am talking about.

You believe that even though the world will be an overall wetter and greener climate, the net effect is that the world's weather patterns will somehow be vastly different than today.

I believe that given that there is no change in earth's landmass distribution that there won't be much of a change relative to today's weather patterns except it will be slightly wetter and greener.
 
I do know what I am talking about.

No you don't.

You believe that even though the world will be an overall wetter and greener climate, the net effect is that the world's weather patterns will somehow be vastly different than today.

You couldn't understand it if I described it to you again so I'm going to save my time.

I believe that given that there is no change in earth's landmass distribution that there won't be much of a change relative to today's weather patterns except it will be slightly wetter and greener.

You don't know what you are talking about in this topic. You should just leave it alone.
 
No you don't.
Sure I do. I just explained it to you. You believe that even though the world will be an overall wetter and greener climate, the net effect is that the world's weather patterns will somehow be vastly different than today. I believe that given that there is no change in earth's landmass distribution that there won't be much of a change relative to today's weather patterns except it will be slightly wetter and greener.
 
You couldn't understand it if I described it to you again so I'm going to save my time.
And you did not disagree when I said, "You believe that even though the world will be an overall wetter and greener climate, the net effect is that the world's weather patterns will somehow be vastly different than today." ;)
 
Sure I do. I just explained it to you. You believe that even though the world will be an overall wetter and greener climate, the net effect is that the world's weather patterns will somehow be vastly different than today. I believe that given that there is no change in earth's landmass distribution that there won't be much of a change relative to today's weather patterns except it will be slightly wetter and greener.
and then it will cycle back to drier patterns, the earth is cyclical.
 
You don't know what you are talking about in this topic. You should just leave it alone.
I do know what I am talking about.
  1. Every IPCC model calculates increasing water vapor.
  2. The fundamental scientific principles of evaporative cooling, cloud formation and precipitation all increase with temperature.
  3. Landmass distribution is not changing, therefore, weather patterns will not materially change.
 
Is there even one climate scientist who will claim a warmer world will not result in a wetter, greener world? :dunno:
 
I started a thread about a climate hero who actually set himself on fire to bring attention to human caused global warming. But I think we need to get directly to the point. Human caused global warming is a reality. And you are all doomed. For the most part, the media won't tell you about it. Which is run by the wealthy. They dictate your lives in every way. And they have decided not only that you will die, but how you will die. That being with as much ignorance as possible. Not only have they decided that you must die, but no doubt for many they view it as a necessary thing. The only thing any of you will get out of the issue is lip service. Not real action.

Even on a couple different television shows they showed on PBS on the issue, they brought up often enough a feedback loop in global warming. They spoke fairly often how one thing will reinforce another thing. But I don't remember them ever saying what a a feedback loop would actually mean. It means that the warmer things get, the FASTER it will get even warmer. They also seem to like to speak often on TV about what the ocean levels will be in the year 2100. But it is unlikely any of you will see the year 2050.

Your time is short. How short exactly is hard to say. I would give it 20 to 30 years. The reason why is mainly methane. It is around 86 times more potent of a greenhouse gas than CO2. Bill Nye did a show about it called Global meltdown. Regardless of how you may feel about Bill Nye, in part of the show he talked to an actual scientist who had been studying the problem for about 15 years. Though he was a tenured professor at some university, he decided to give up his tenured professorship and start preparing for doomsday. And he said the worst culprit is methane. Like CO2, it is ever increasing. I will show you a graph of it. Astonishingly, despite things like thawing tundra, it is said that human activities are responsible for around 60% of it.

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Or if you don't like that one, I have another.
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One of the things that makes this so bad is that not in the history of the Earth have we ever been in this position. It the past of course it has been far warmer. But in more recent history it has been getting cooler. When things are cooler, of course more methane will have a chance to accumulate. Much gets buried underground of course. But not all of it. And when things start getting warmer faster as it is, that methane will have the ability to escape quickly. I will show you a graph of the Earths temperature to show what I am talking about.

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Now for all those deniers out there, I will unload on you all of the human caused glob all warming graphs that I have. Feel free to deny away.

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The Earth is at higher average temperatures in the past and much greater CO2 PPM in the past and yet we are still here.
If you choose to live your existence as a doomed individual be my guest. I choose not to.
 
I do know what I am talking about.
  1. Every IPCC model calculates increasing water vapor.

NO ONE IS ARGUING AGAINST THAT. Pay attention!!!

I'm saying that as the global average temperature increases and the global average content of water vapor increases YOU CAN WIND UP WITH LOCATIONS BECOMING DRIER AND COOLER.

THAT'S IT! That's how climate works!!!

  1. The fundamental scientific principles of evaporative cooling, cloud formation and precipitation all increase with temperature.
  2. Landmass distribution is not changing, therefore, weather patterns will not materially change.

Why does landmass distribution need to change? I mean we all understand that different continental land mass configurations result in different ocean currents and climate, but you can change climate even without moving the continents.

Wow. Honestly, Ding, you are smarter than this. Why are you acting as if these things aren't real??????
 
It amazes me how they always leave out the astronomical data about the increasing btu content of the sun's heat. Of course nothing can be done about that so it wouldn't make any sense to ask people for money in order to fix the problem therefore they just give it a good leaving alone.
 
Is there even one climate scientist who will claim a warmer world will not result in a wetter, greener world? :dunno:

I'm getting bored. You are smarter than this if you have an engineering degree. This is such a stupid conversation it beggars the imagination.

Enough.
 
It amazes me how they always leave out the astronomical data about the increasing btu content of the sun's heat.

You know the sun's output is NOT increasing right now, right so it can't explain the warming.

In fact EVERYONE studying the climate is including astronomical data. They are. Try reading some of the science.


 

Since I didn't describe it to you specifically (but I described it to ding MANY times over) I will repeat it here:

Global warming (average overall global temperature increases) leading to melting of the Greenland ice sheet (which is happening now. It's been seen in real time and measured). This dumps a lot of cold fresh water into the upper arch of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current which includes the GULF STREAM.

The Gulf Stream is what pumps heat from the tropics up to high latitudes like western Europe. The countries of western Europe are warmer than they would be based on their latitude alone and that's due to the heat being brought up with the Gulf Stream.

The GUlf Stream and the larger AMOC are driven by differences in water TEMPERATURE and DENSITY and that is called "thermohaline circulation" (the salt --haline-- affects density along with temperature of the water).

Geologic history shows that the Gulf Stream has "reorganized" or even "shut down" in the past due to climate changes. If it shuts down because the Greenland ICe SHeet is melting it will cause western Europe to get COLDER while the overall global average temperature increases.

It's really pretty easy to understand. Even for you guys.

There are other potential examples. Warming in the Mediterranean is probably going to lead to increased snowfall in the Himalayas due to prevailing weather fronts in the general area.
 
you are very boring.

Because I talk about science at length? I can see how it would get boring for people like you who aren't very smart and not interested in science.

Maybe we could talk about something you do understand. What's your area of expertise? Mixing the right chemicals for the dishwasher at the restaurant? How to clean up puke with sawdust? Moving trailers? Setting up trailers?

What?
 
You know the sun's output is NOT increasing right now, right so it can't explain the warming.

In fact EVERYONE studying the climate is including astronomical data. They are. Try reading some of the science.
The sun's output is not increasing in a currently measurable manner but the fact of the matter is that with each passing second and the burning of a million tons of hydrogen into helium the sun's heat profile does indeed change. I know the anthro people don't like to talk about it because it Trashes their theory. It takes the Sun from input to cause and reverses the entire scenario. If you understand the life cycle of a star you know that it doesn't suddenly just turn up the heat at some point but gradually gains heating output with every passing moment even as our Sun is doing now.

There is absolutely no escape from this scenario and absolutely no way to argue it. Lack of measurable effect has absolutely no bearing on the fact that the process is taking place. I would argue right back at you that the measurable effect is the CO2 PPM that you are seeing now.

Jo
 
Since I didn't describe it to you specifically (but I described it to ding MANY times over) I will repeat it here:

Global warming (average overall global temperature increases) leading to melting of the Greenland ice sheet (which is happening now. It's been seen in real time and measured). This dumps a lot of cold fresh water into the upper arch of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current which includes the GULF STREAM.

The Gulf Stream is what pumps heat from the tropics up to high latitudes like western Europe. The countries of western Europe are warmer than they would be based on their latitude alone and that's due to the heat being brought up with the Gulf Stream.

The GUlf Stream and the larger AMOC are driven by differences in water TEMPERATURE and DENSITY and that is called "thermohaline circulation" (the salt --haline-- affects density along with temperature of the water).

Geologic history shows that the Gulf Stream has "reorganized" or even "shut down" in the past due to climate changes. If it shuts down because the Greenland ICe SHeet is melting it will cause western Europe to get COLDER while the overall global average temperature increases.

It's really pretty easy to understand. Even for you guys.

There are other potential examples. Warming in the Mediterranean is probably going to lead to increased snowfall in the Himalayas due to prevailing weather fronts in the general area.
So when icebergs melt as they have since before your time, water temperature wasn’t affected? Hmmm.

I also heard that warmer Atlantic waters was cause for ice melt in Greenland?

Hmm
 

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