Global Warming Update

[healthmyths]

Do you understand the difference between weather and climate?

Probably a lot better than you understand the difference between propaganda and science.

Great point. Why don't you share what "science" studies you have read that lead you to believe that AGW is not real.

What indicators have been in use for over 100 years that has formed the BASE of all global warming?
Temperature reading stations all around the world.

Distorted data? Feds close 600 weather stations amid criticism they're situated to report warming
thanks to temperature readings from sweltering parking lots, airports and other locations that distort the true state of the climate.

Indeed, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has closed some 600 out of nearly 9,000 weather stations over the past two years that it has deemed problematic or unnecessary, after a long campaign by one critic highlighting the problem of using unreliable data. The agency says the closures will help improve gathering of weather data, but critics like meterologist and blogger Anthony Watts say it is too little, too late.
Distorted data? Feds close 600 weather stations amid criticism they're situated to report warming | Fox News

"Distorted data"??? weather stations located near sweltering...etc... distort the data.

There are over 11,000 weather stations around the world measuring land, air and sea temperatures, as well as satellites, ships and aircraft that also take measurements.
https://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/climate/climate_observation_networks_systems.php

So the basis of "global warming" theory has been weather stations around the world.
So again explain to a novice like me :

when NOAA closes 600 stations because they've distorted temperatures..

and

when "The number of [Siberian] stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and then decreased to
12 from 1989 to present only four (4) stations, those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.
IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations…
The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass.
The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.
Climategatekeeping: Siberia « Climate Audit

So explain to me if 12.5% of the land mass' temperatures WERE NOT included, why wouldn't the temperatures be skewed higher?

 

[blackhawk]

Just thought you'd like to know the latest in our impending doom scenario..... How we're all gonna roast in our own juices and die in a global holocaust of insects, vermin and hell-fire.

Say, doesn't that sound kind of familiar? It sure does to me. Wonder where I've heard that before.

Anyway, I suggest you all repent, beg forgiveness, build a statue to ManBearPig and turn over all your worldly goods to (guess who) who will then dole them out to those who need them. Mainly their cronies and the socialist elites

Especially energy. Because that's what's behind all this. The wanton use of energy by all you proles and untermensch who should just go to work, vote dimocrap and die as soon as you're of no further use to the State.

But do NOT question how a preezy of the united steezy can tell all of us to watch our energy usage then flies Air Force 1 to a golf outing while putting 800 tons of carbon into the atmosphere in the process.

uh-uh.... Don't question that. No way

Otherwise, have a nice day while you can.

The end is near

Mackinac Island prepares for tourists, but ice freezes out spring

A freighter slowly makes its way under the Mackinac Bridge and through the ice,
seen from the U.S. Coast Guard icebreaker Biscayne Bay that was breaking up lots of ice in the Straits of Mackinac on Tuesday.
/ Eric Seals/Detroit Free Press

It’s not exactly spring on Mackinac Island. After the coldest winter in memory, spring is barely to be found on Mackinac, which usually welcomes its first tourists by May 1.

Not a single ferry is running. The horses are not back. There are 10-foot snowbanks on the island. And one ferry line, Arnold Transit, may not open for business at all.

It’s the latest spring Chris Shepler, president of Shepler’s Ferry, can ever remember. Usually, by mid-April, the island is bustling with preparations.

“I have never seen it like this before, and I am 51,” he said today.

Tourism is Michigan’s second-largest industry, and Mackinac Island is its premiere attraction. Without a warmup soon, Michigan tourism dollars will likely take a hit.

Seasonal ferry service usually begins by April 21, but the ice is so thick in Lake Huron that ferry companies need the U.S. Coast Guard to break ice — and that has not happened as of today. The icebreaker is due to arrive by 8 a.m. Thursday to help clear ice that is up to 3 feet thick in Lake Huron in spots between St. Ignace and the island.

“We can’t do anything till the icebreaker comes,” he said.

More at the Link Mackinac Island prepares for tourists, but ice freezes out spring | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Repent, all ye sinners

The correct term is now climate change since the claim of global warming fell on its ass.

 

[Antares]

Probably a lot better than you understand the difference between propaganda and science.

Great point. Why don't you share what "science" studies you have read that lead you to believe that AGW is not real.

What indicators have been in use for over 100 years that has formed the BASE of all global warming?
Temperature reading stations all around the world.

Distorted data? Feds close 600 weather stations amid criticism they're situated to report warming
thanks to temperature readings from sweltering parking lots, airports and other locations that distort the true state of the climate.

Indeed, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has closed some 600 out of nearly 9,000 weather stations over the past two years that it has deemed problematic or unnecessary, after a long campaign by one critic highlighting the problem of using unreliable data. The agency says the closures will help improve gathering of weather data, but critics like meterologist and blogger Anthony Watts say it is too little, too late.
Distorted data? Feds close 600 weather stations amid criticism they're situated to report warming | Fox News

"Distorted data"??? weather stations located near sweltering...etc... distort the data.

There are over 11,000 weather stations around the world measuring land, air and sea temperatures, as well as satellites, ships and aircraft that also take measurements.
https://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/climate/climate_observation_networks_systems.php

So the basis of "global warming" theory has been weather stations around the world.
So again explain to a novice like me :

when NOAA closes 600 stations because they've distorted temperatures..

and

when "The number of [Siberian] stations increased from 8 in 1901 to 23 in 1951 and then decreased to
12 from 1989 to present only four (4) stations, those at Irkutsk, Bratsk, Chita and Kirensk, cover the entire 20th century.
IEA analysts say climatologists use the data of stations located in large populated centers that are influenced by the urban-warming effect more frequently than the correct data of remote stations…
The scale of global warming was exaggerated due to temperature distortions for Russia accounting for 12.5% of the world’s land mass.
The IEA said it was necessary to recalculate all global-temperature data in order to assess the scale of such exaggeration.
Climategatekeeping: Siberia « Climate Audit

So explain to me if 12.5% of the land mass' temperatures WERE NOT included, why wouldn't the temperatures be skewed higher?

Oh stop, they don't like when you gore their ox.

 

[healthmyths]

NOT ONE of the globalwarmingistas has refuted my question as to how come 12.5% of the earth's land mass that WAS NOT included for over 50 years in temperature recording data wouldn't skew the data higher?

Or why did 600 NOAA stations near temperature distorting sources were removed.
Or why there should be ANY trust in data that excludes 12.5% of the earth's land mass.

Where are you globalwarming evangelists explaining that simple question?

I am constantly amazed NOT at the idiots like the globalwarmingistas.. because they are idiots but at common sense people who
don't ask these idiots .. how come 12.5% of the landmass wasn't included and why are most temperature recording stations located near heat sources?
These same globalwarmingistas are also great Obamacare phony number of 46 million uninsured believers.
And again I excuse their idiocy but common sense folks regarding the phony 46 million still repeat that number ... do these
common sense people not know 10 million of the 46 million are NOT citizens? 14 million simply need register BEFORE ACA with medicaid!
And why are 18 million that don't need (under 34) can afford (make over $50k) but don't want insurance!
That means there were ONLY 4 million that truly need insurance!

 

[Mustang]

NOT ONE of the globalwarmingistas has refuted my question as to how come 12.5% of the earth's land mass that WAS NOT included for over 50 years in temperature recording data wouldn't skew the data higher?

Or why did 600 NOAA stations near temperature distorting sources were removed.
Or why there should be ANY trust in data that excludes 12.5% of the earth's land mass.

Where are you globalwarming evangelists explaining that simple question?

I am constantly amazed NOT at the idiots like the globalwarmingistas.. because they are idiots but at common sense people who
don't ask these idiots .. how come 12.5% of the landmass wasn't included and why are most temperature recording stations located near heat sources?
These same globalwarmingistas are also great Obamacare phony number of 46 million uninsured believers.
And again I excuse their idiocy but common sense folks regarding the phony 46 million still repeat that number ... do these
common sense people not know 10 million of the 46 million are NOT citizens? 14 million simply need register BEFORE ACA with medicaid!
And why are 18 million that don't need (under 34) can afford (make over $50k) but don't want insurance!
That means there were ONLY 4 million that truly need insurance!

It's not a zero-sum game.

 

[ClosedCaption]

NOT ONE of the globalwarmingistas has refuted my question as to how come 12.5% of the earth's land mass that WAS NOT included for over 50 years in temperature recording data wouldn't skew the data higher?

Or why did 600 NOAA stations near temperature distorting sources were removed.
Or why there should be ANY trust in data that excludes 12.5% of the earth's land mass.

Where are you globalwarming evangelists explaining that simple question?

I am constantly amazed NOT at the idiots like the globalwarmingistas.. because they are idiots but at common sense people who
don't ask these idiots .. how come 12.5% of the landmass wasn't included and why are most temperature recording stations located near heat sources?
These same globalwarmingistas are also great Obamacare phony number of 46 million uninsured believers.
And again I excuse their idiocy but common sense folks regarding the phony 46 million still repeat that number ... do these
common sense people not know 10 million of the 46 million are NOT citizens? 14 million simply need register BEFORE ACA with medicaid!
And why are 18 million that don't need (under 34) can afford (make over $50k) but don't want insurance!
That means there were ONLY 4 million that truly need insurance!

Well I think one this is that you said all of that and backed it up with bupkiss.

 

[1776]

It's getting warmer in spring/summer, must be global warming...

 

[healthmyths]

NOT ONE of the globalwarmingistas has refuted my question as to how come 12.5% of the earth's land mass that WAS NOT included for over 50 years in temperature recording data wouldn't skew the data higher?

Or why did 600 NOAA stations near temperature distorting sources were removed.
Or why there should be ANY trust in data that excludes 12.5% of the earth's land mass.

Where are you globalwarming evangelists explaining that simple question?

I am constantly amazed NOT at the idiots like the globalwarmingistas.. because they are idiots but at common sense people who
don't ask these idiots .. how come 12.5% of the landmass wasn't included and why are most temperature recording stations located near heat sources?
These same globalwarmingistas are also great Obamacare phony number of 46 million uninsured believers.
And again I excuse their idiocy but common sense folks regarding the phony 46 million still repeat that number ... do these
common sense people not know 10 million of the 46 million are NOT citizens? 14 million simply need register BEFORE ACA with medicaid!
And why are 18 million that don't need (under 34) can afford (make over $50k) but don't want insurance!
That means there were ONLY 4 million that truly need insurance!

It's not a zero-sum game.

I don't know if you understand the concept of "zero-sum game" which is "in game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which a participant's gain of utility is exactly balanced by the losses of the utility of the other participant"..
What in my comments had anything to do with one participant gain at the loss of another participant?
My comments had NOTHING to do with "zero-sum game" and you just put that comment for show... but what that comment did was "show"
your ignorance of the concept especially using in context of my comments!
NOT one globalwarmingista can with any degree of confidence tell me that when you say the earth is warming up ..i.e. global warming..
that is true WHEN 12.5% of the land masses had little if any contribution to the averages!
And when NOAA removes 600 stations because they distorted???
And I'm showing you the reality of there never having been 46 million uninsured yet people like you and other globalwarmingnistas keep
ignoring the realities for some cliched, meme, worn out gospel according to Gore and Obama!

 

[frigidweirdo]

The correct term is now climate change since the claim of global warming fell on its ass.

Global warming begins with the word "global". It means the planet is getting warmer, it doesn't necessarily mean that one individual place will be warmer.

Where I was the winter was really warm with only one week of cold. But again, this is an individual place.

You can see that it isn't a straight line, it goes up and down and up and down.

Another interesting fact is that on the 100,000 year cycle which exists on the planet, we see a massive rise in temperatures and then a drop

We are in the drop period. It should be getting a lot colder. It isn't. Though it's fair to say some places are getting a little cold. Kind of like a fridge. It gets massively hot in the summers in the south, like Australia, so you can expect that the other side of the world is the back of the fridge and getting damn cold.

 

[RDD_1210]

LOL, you folks are pretty dense aren't you?

No, I have no idea how to cut and paste on an IPAD.

Here is what will happen when I post studies tonight.

You guys will simply scream "NUH-UH" and claim MY scientists are not "reputable", this ain't my first rodeo.

The next this thing you'll do is say "follow the money", never mind that ALL of the "scientists" doing your "approved" studies live off of the Gov tit.

It will turn into a "my studies are better than your studies" circus and I'll just laugh at you (I already am) because that's the way ALL of these discussions go.

There is NO definitive "proof" either way and therefore NO definitive reason to change the economy of the entire World because YOU are afraid your children may roast if it gets too hot, or drown because Obama didn't keep his promise about stopping the rising seas.


It really is just that simply spanky.

I can't wait to see your studies then. I'm sure they will be definitive, unbiased and peer reviewed.

As stated above it really won't matter who did the studies, you'll just say nope.

Like I said , that is the way it ALWAYS is with people like you.

Where did you go? I thought you were coming back to share those studies.

 

[Mac1958]

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As with every other issue, since the moment this debate became political there is absolutely no way to trust any advocate, any opinion, any data, or any "chart".

And that's the problem with partisan political rhetoric. All bullshit, no solutions, only people getting in the way.

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[zeke]

I can't wait to see your studies then. I'm sure they will be definitive, unbiased and peer reviewed.

As stated above it really won't matter who did the studies, you'll just say nope.

Like I said , that is the way it ALWAYS is with people like you.

Where did you go? I thought you were coming back to share those studies.

He's still searching for the answer and the truth. LMAO. At that fake peer reviewed site. Where the guy "guesses" that 40% of scientists are GW skeptics.

Nah, if you had your ass handed to you like you handed his ass to him, would you come back for more of the same?

 

[Political Junky]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8G2sb4ty4Y]President George W. Bush on Climate Change in 2008 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Redfish]

The correct term is now climate change since the claim of global warming fell on its ass.

Global warming begins with the word "global". It means the planet is getting warmer, it doesn't necessarily mean that one individual place will be warmer.

Where I was the winter was really warm with only one week of cold. But again, this is an individual place.

You can see that it isn't a straight line, it goes up and down and up and down.

Another interesting fact is that on the 100,000 year cycle which exists on the planet, we see a massive rise in temperatures and then a drop

We are in the drop period. It should be getting a lot colder. It isn't. Though it's fair to say some places are getting a little cold. Kind of like a fridge. It gets massively hot in the summers in the south, like Australia, so you can expect that the other side of the world is the back of the fridge and getting damn cold.

Did you happen to notice the Y scale on your charts? its in tenths of a degree. TENTHS OF A DEGREE.

 

[Redfish]

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As with every other issue, since the moment this debate became political there is absolutely no way to trust any advocate, any opinion, any data, or any "chart".

And that's the problem with partisan political rhetoric. All bullshit, no solutions, only people getting in the way.

.

correct, people with a financial or politcal agenda. the truth is secondary to such people.

 

[Edgetho]

Much more at the link. You gotta be a special kind dumb fuck to be a dimocrap.

Real Science | "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" ? Richard Feynman | Page 3

Great Lakes Ice Cover 3000% Of Normal – More Than Double The Previous Record
Posted on April 25, 2014

Hiding The Incline In Arctic Sea Ice
Posted on April 25, 2014

Experts somehow forgot to mention that Arctic sea ice has been increasing.

2005 : Climate Experts Wanted To Evacuate The Coasts
Posted on April 25, 2014

October 4, 2005
Some Experts Say It’s Time to Evacuate the Coast (for Good)

By CORNELIA DEAN
PENSACOLA, Fla. – As the Gulf Coast reels from two catastrophic storms in a month, and the Carolinas and Florida deal with damage and debris from hurricanes this year and last, even some supporters of coastal development are starting to ask a previously unthinkable question: is it time to consider retreat from the coast?

Yes, said Howard Marlowe, president of Marlowe & Company, a lobbying firm that represents counties and local governments, often in seeking support for coastal infrastructure, like roads, sewers and beach replenishment. “I think we need to be asking that and discussing that, and the federal government needs to provide leadership,” Mr. Marlowe said.

He added, “I have never been an advocate for the federal government telling people that they have to move out, but it’s important to have a discussion at all levels of government about what can be done to make sure more people do not put themselves in harm’s way. It will not be an easy dialogue.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/04/science/04coast.html?pagewanted=print&_r=0

Since the 2005 hysterics from the experts, the US has experienced the quietest period on record for hurricanes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Did you happen to notice the Y scale on your charts? its in tenths of a degree. TENTHS OF A DEGREE.

And...... what's your point?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Since the 2005 hysterics from the experts, the US has experienced the quietest period on record for hurricanes.

Anyone who looks at global warming in terms of the last 10 years is going to find whatever they hell they want to find.

The warming/cooling cycle lasts for 100,000 years, and you're talking 10 years. Give me strength.

 

[Redfish]

Did you happen to notice the Y scale on your charts? its in tenths of a degree. TENTHS OF A DEGREE.

And...... what's your point?

That you are so ignorant that you believe that anyone can measure the average temperature of the entire planet to the tenth of a degree

 

[Redfish]

Since the 2005 hysterics from the experts, the US has experienced the quietest period on record for hurricanes.

Anyone who looks at global warming in terms of the last 10 years is going to find whatever they hell they want to find.

The warming/cooling cycle lasts for 100,000 years, and you're talking 10 years. Give me strength.

Right, now explain to us how that actions of humans changed the climate 100,000 years ago.