Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts

[jc456]

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

Harry I know you worked in the PO. and I'm NOT saying all workers for the Government is there to take advantage of us taxpayers. but how is this Fair for them to make so much more? and then the left/dems wails about income equality.

ups drivers were making $5.00 more an hour than letter carriers and they are Teamsters a pretty powerful union and they had pretty decent benefits too...

they are? let's see the info.

 

[Harry Dresden]

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

much of that is shit that has been debunked year after year like how we made more than other delivery people, they always seem to not mention that UPS drivers make more and also get pretty good benefits...and Fed-X people are right there too.....

 

[jc456]

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

much of that is shit that has been debunked year after year like how we made more than other delivery people, they always seem to not mention that UPS drivers make more and also get pretty good benefits...and Fed-X people are right there too.....

not sure what that has to do with anything, do you know how many government jobs there are? I know I don't know how many, but services is mostly the business and referencing one like that's all there is very childish and liberalish.

 

[imawhosure]

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

"
Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USPS loses money each year (other than few years) . Somebody is subsidizing "it". The link showed.

yes I saw. they must pre-pay pension obligations. Always a story. they would be GREAT w/o that.

You mean instead of "losing" $5 billion by paying $5.5 billion in prefunded retirement UNLIKE ANY GOV'T OR PRIVATE SECTOR SECTOR? Yep...They'd have a PROFIT!

This guy here is a SOCIALIST hack, pay no attention.

The truth is...................corporations and businesses in this country who have STANDARD retirement benefits, MUST keep their retirements funded to the tune of 80 something %. The post office did not do this. (why are we not surprised)

And so, why is the post office NOW having to do this? Postal Service Faces $100B in Debts and Unfunded Benefits That is why!

 

[Harry Dresden]

The federal government does not employ any janitors....they are contracted out to the lowest bidder

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

"
Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USPS loses money each year (other than few years) . Somebody is subsidizing "it". The link showed.

one reason is because they are not allowed to make a profit.....they have to get permission that takes years to do something that may help them....they have to get permission to stop doing things if it affects the populace even if they are losing money....UPS just stops doing it if the CEO says so....your congress will not let the PO run itself without their over site....imagine a bunch of people who have no idea of what is going on telling you what you can and cant do...it took the PO 5 years to get scanning tech while everyone else was using it, when they finally got it in the 90's everyone else was on the 3rd generation scanners of the time....

 

[Harry Dresden]

not so in the PO.....they hire many people with physical disabilities to do the janitorial work....

The United States Postal Service, also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, often abbreviated as USPS, is an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters

United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

uhmmmm.......they borrow huge amounts each year from FED to offset losses....do not pay fees like private......on and on it goes again. summed up in below link. quick easy scan read......
U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year - Fortune

GET THE FUKKKK OFF RIGHT WING TALKING POINTS, GEEZUS FUKKN KRIST

YOUR LINK

"
Laws that bar any other shipping service from delivering mail and packages directly to residential and business mailboxes. Shapiro estimates that this gives the Post Office a $14 billion annual boost, more than three times what the Postal Regulatory Commission estimates it to be. Shapiro argues that the PRC’s analysis doesn’t take into account the productivity gains that the Post Office would be forced to make if it really had to compete for mailbox delivery. He points out that productivity at USPS has only grown by 0.7% per year versus 2.5% for its competition."


LOL

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters


United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USPS loses money each year (other than few years) . Somebody is subsidizing "it". The link showed.

THE USPS HASN'T GOTTEN GOV'T MONEY IN NEARLY 30 YEARS, If you understand HISTORY, the GOP passed a bill to prefund FIFTY YEARS of retirements in TEN years. Think they MIGHT lose money doing that?

Your link was nothing but ANOTHER right wing "think tank" BULLSHIT PREMISE based on guesses and myths....

the GOP passed a bill to prefund FIFTY YEARS of retirements in TEN years.
the democrats were right there with them passing that....2 of the 3 co-sponsors were dems....so dont try and put this just on the Republicans....

 

[Harry Dresden]

If you went to work 2008-2012 you saw the parking lots empty out at Private corps. You saw the GOVT (fed and state) parking lots fill up more and more each year. When things go bad.....we suffer. They are golden. you cannot possibly argue that other than to say.......you need more services when citizens are in trouble?

Please......"it" is not efficient "enough", there is massive waste/duplication/fraud identified often. GOVT workers never get fired, layed off, pay reduced. Retire earlier with more..........on an on. Maybe some of it is not all bad......but please please, don't try to tell us how great "it" is. We are not stupid. We hear, see, we know some things too. Some of us even have inside information.

GOVT workers never get fired,
seen quite a few in my time there.....for mail theft,ditching circulars,bad attendance etc....

 

[airplanemechanic]

Apples-to-Oranges

But any compensation comparison between the average federal civilian employee and average private-sector employee oversimplifies the debate, glossing over the important differences in occupation, skill level, age, and education that determine salaries. The BEA has posted an FAQ on federal pay, providing a number of reasons why the average compensation for federal civilian employees is higher than the average compensation for private-sector employees:

• Federal civilian workers are more educated.
• The federal government has a higher proportion of white-collar jobs.
• “Lower-skilled (and lower-paid) positions have been contracted out to private industries” in recent years, raising the average pay of federal civilian employees.
• Federal civilian workers receive better pension and health insurance benefits on average than private-sector employees, some of whom receive no benefits.

Apples-to-Apples

...To determine the annual adjustment in locality pay, OPM produces a report every year that summarizes a comparison of federal pay — just salaries, not total compensation — with pay levels in non-federal "establishments" based on geographic location and job responsibilities. In the 2009 report, OPM found that federal workers were paid on average 22.13 percent less (Table 4) than their private-sector counterparts. The gap increased to 24 percent this year, the Washington Post recently reported.

Are Federal Workers Overpaid?

Be very careful. You are just taking pay into consideration. Federal employees have generous holiday pay, paid days off, vacation, sick leave, unbelievable job security, etc. You don't get all that in some private sector jobs. Taking that into consideration, federal employees have it very well.

 

[Harry Dresden]

And they wonder why we're going broke...
Between the salaries and pensions of these assholes is it any wonder?

"assholes"? Next time you need a cop call your insurance agent, if you have a fire call him or her too. Ever watch Victory at Sea? All those draftees and GI's, were government employees too. Better yet, take a walk around a government cemetery and see what some government employees have done for the rest of us.

Envy is a deadly sin, and simply because Stephanie and others like her can't pass a written civil service test, or most likely can't meet the MQ's to even take one, is sad; I understand why she is bitter and others too.

What I can't fathom is the hate bestowed on those who try to make life better and more fair for those who can't qualify for higher paying jobs. Why would someone like Stephanie object to those like her getting a fair wage, a higher minimum wage, health insurance and eventually Social Security?

How to pass a civil service exam:

Ethnicity;

1. White not hispanic (automatic disqualification)
2. African American (add 60 points)
3. Asian
4. American Indian (add 10 points)
5. Hispanic (add 30 points)

Religion:

1. Christian (automatic disqualification)
2. Muslim (add 60 points)
3. Atheist (add 10 points)
4. Agnostic
   
5. Buddhist
6. Pagan (add 30 points)
7. Hindu (add 20 points)

Primary language spoken:

1. English (automatic disqualification)
2. Spanish (add 100 points)
3. Hindi (add 50 points)
4. Farsi (add 20 points)
5. Mandarin

yea thats how it is.....lol.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

And they wonder why we're going broke...
Between the salaries and pensions of these assholes is it any wonder?

"assholes"? Next time you need a cop call your insurance agent, if you have a fire call him or her too. Ever watch Victory at Sea? All those draftees and GI's, were government employees too. Better yet, take a walk around a government cemetery and see what some government employees have done for the rest of us.

Envy is a deadly sin, and simply because Stephanie and others like her can't pass a written civil service test, or most likely can't meet the MQ's to even take one, is sad; I understand why she is bitter and others too.

What I can't fathom is the hate bestowed on those who try to make life better and more fair for those who can't qualify for higher paying jobs. Why would someone like Stephanie object to those like her getting a fair wage, a higher minimum wage, health insurance and eventually Social Security?

How to pass a civil service exam:

Ethnicity;

1. White not hispanic (automatic disqualification)
2. African American (add 60 points)
3. Asian
4. American Indian (add 10 points)
5. Hispanic (add 30 points)

Religion:

1. Christian (automatic disqualification)
2. Muslim (add 60 points)
3. Atheist (add 10 points)
4. Agnostic
   
5. Buddhist
6. Pagan (add 30 points)
7. Hindu (add 20 points)

Primary language spoken:

1. English (automatic disqualification)
2. Spanish (add 100 points)
3. Hindi (add 50 points)
4. Farsi (add 20 points)
5. Mandarin

Your bigotry is only surpassed by your ignorance. Of course this ^^^ hyperbole may get you thanks from others like you, but facts never get in the way of a 21st Century iteration of the set of conservatives.

i dont think he was serious Wry.....

 

[Flopper]

they must laugh at the rest of the people not "lucky" enough to get on with Daddy Guberment while YOU pay their salary's. what a Gig eh

SNIP:
We’ve all seen the same headlines repeating for the last six years so often that it’s become part and parcel of the national milieu. Times are hard, wages are stagnant and pay isn’t keeping up with the cost of living. It’s tough out there to be sure, but there’s one segment of the American population where that doesn’t seem to be true. If you happen to work for the federal government – regardless of the job you hold, how well you perform or what happens to the market – you’re probably making way more than your counterparts in the private sector. (Government Executive Magazine)

Federal employees on average earned 78 percent more in total compensation than private sector workers in 2014, according to a new study from a conservative think tank.

The Cato Institute’s Chris Edwards compared data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis to show that, in his view, civilian federal workers are overcompensated. Factoring both salary and benefits, Edwards pointed to BEA data showing the average federal employee earns about $119,000 annually, compared to the private sector worker who earns $67,000 per year. When comparing just salaries, feds collect 50 percent bigger paychecks, Edwards said.

Back in 1990 the gap was smaller but still in place. Federal workers back then earned, on average, 39% more than private sector employees performing the same jobs. Owing to the rules of the free market, that shifted for a while during the tech boom of the late nineties, at least in a few sectors of the job market. When there were a limited number of workers skilled in a new industry, wages shot up and passed their government colleagues who were generally held to raises which follow a set formula.

Unfortunately, as Wall Street tanked and the market completely stalled, the private sector paid the price while the federal government kept on plugging along with slower, but steady increases in most cases. This led to what the study’s author describes as a situation where the Washington bureaucracy became “an elite island of secure and high-paid employment, separated from the ocean of average Americans competing in the economy.”

Of course, it doesn’t help that it’s nearly impossible to fire a federal employee.

ALL of it here:
Good work if you can get it: Federal workers making 78% more than private sector counterparts « Hot Air

Federal workers do make more for several reasons.

• Federal workers are better educated on average than their private sector counterparts. 52 percent have a Bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to just 32 percent of private sector workers. On average, they are four years older as well (45 vs. 41). Older, better educated workers are bound to have incomes above the national average.
  
• There will always be inequities in federal civil service compared to the public sector because civil service pay is not market driven. On the low end of the salary scale federal building custodians have very good benefits compared to their private sector counter parts and thus fair much better in comparison with the private sector. On the high end of the scale, software developers make huge salaries in the private sector compared to the public sector.
• The private sector tends to hire younger workers who often lack both education and experience and thus can not demand higher pay. The more productive workers are kept and the remainder are fired. Federal Civil Service can not operate like this. It must hire the best qualified person for the job and once they are hired they can't be fired because the boss has found someone who will work for lower pay.

so we should take it that all this BS about "income Equality" spewed by the left/dem/libs is just that. ALL BULLSHIT

How does the income differential between the public and private sector relate to the differential between the income of the wealthy and that of the middle class?

I'm not the one wailing about the wealthy. they either earned it, inherited it etc. this is GOVERMENT workers who WE THE PEOPLE have to pay their salaries. SO THERE is no comparison. Now why should they MAKE MORE than us? they don't do anything that most of us couldn't do. it's not specialty work, unless you call a Janitor special. some of it is but most is NOT

The study was comparing the average income of 700 occupations under federal civil service against the average in the private sector. As previously explained, the average civil service worker is bettered educated than his private sector counter part and is older which means they will command a higher pay.

Unlike the private sector, civil service salaries are not negotiable. Civil service can not hire at low pay to take advantage of a glut in the labor market nor can they pay high wages when the labor market is tight. They can't give bonuses when business is good,nor pay outside a rigid salary scale. In short, government can not operate like private sector. Where the private sector goal is produce goods and services at a profit, the goal in the public sector is provide services as prescribed by law.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The federal government ain't a employment agency although most liberals think so. Government hiring does not grow the economy. It's a freaking drain especially when government drones enjoy every holiday no matter how obscure and about 60% could call in sick permanently and nobody in the private sector would notice.

Wrong... government employees spend a lot of money and that helps to stimulate the economy,
If their off time is as generous as yo u say (it really isn't) then that gives them more time to spend all that money and help the economy!

but what they spend does nothing to replenish the tax budget except draw from it. They replenish very little. Remember, the reason for the higher salaries is so they can pay their union off not to repay the bucket from whence the money came from.

Remember, the reason for the higher salaries is so they can pay their union off
my union dues were $32 a month.......i guess thats why i made what i did.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

And they wonder why we're going broke...
Between the salaries and pensions of these assholes is it any wonder?

"assholes"? Next time you need a cop call your insurance agent, if you have a fire call him or her too. Ever watch Victory at Sea? All those draftees and GI's, were government employees too. Better yet, take a walk around a government cemetery and see what some government employees have done for the rest of us.

Envy is a deadly sin, and simply because Stephanie and others like her can't pass a written civil service test, or most likely can't meet the MQ's to even take one, is sad; I understand why she is bitter and others too.

What I can't fathom is the hate bestowed on those who try to make life better and more fair for those who can't qualify for higher paying jobs. Why would someone like Stephanie object to those like her getting a fair wage, a higher minimum wage, health insurance and eventually Social Security?

How to pass a civil service exam:

Ethnicity;

1. White not hispanic (automatic disqualification)
2. African American (add 60 points)
3. Asian
4. American Indian (add 10 points)
5. Hispanic (add 30 points)

Religion:

1. Christian (automatic disqualification)
2. Muslim (add 60 points)
3. Atheist (add 10 points)
4. Agnostic
   
5. Buddhist
6. Pagan (add 30 points)
7. Hindu (add 20 points)

Primary language spoken:

1. English (automatic disqualification)
2. Spanish (add 100 points)
3. Hindi (add 50 points)
4. Farsi (add 20 points)
5. Mandarin

I don' think they have civil service exams anymore

they sure do.....

 

[Dad2three]

If you went to work 2008-2012 you saw the parking lots empty out at Private corps. You saw the GOVT (fed and state) parking lots fill up more and more each year. When things go bad.....we suffer. They are golden. you cannot possibly argue that other than to say.......you need more services when citizens are in trouble?

Please......"it" is not efficient "enough", there is massive waste/duplication/fraud identified often. GOVT workers never get fired, layed off, pay reduced. Retire earlier with more..........on an on. Maybe some of it is not all bad......but please please, don't try to tell us how great "it" is. We are not stupid. We hear, see, we know some things too. Some of us even have inside information.

"If you went to work 2008-2012 you saw the parking lots empty out at Private corps"


RECORD CORP PROFIT? AND THEIR PARKING LOTS WERE EMPTY? Weird


"You saw the GOVT (fed and state) parking lots fill up more and more each year."

BZZ. WRONG


Obama government shrinking after period of rapid growth

• Apr 5, 2012

What do Republican presidents Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II have in common that Obama doesn't? Total government grew under those presidents after they faced recessions. By contrast, federal, state, and local government has declined by more than half a million workers in the last three years. Big government ain't what it used to be.

Government payrolls at nearly all levels also have been cut

The graph above comes courtesy of the Economic Policy Institute. Since the recession officially ended in January 2009, the economy has bid goodbye to 584,000 government jobs (private sector employment is up by 2.8 million). That's a roughly a 2 percent drop.


The Incredible Shrinking U.S. Government

 

[Harry Dresden]

The thread title is inaccurate. What they do is not actually "Work". A great many Federal workers are doing political activism or nothing.

"Nice Pay" if you can get it.....

What they do is not actually "Work".
come on down and do a route at the PO Bo.....we use to laugh at the new people who thought getting a route up and carried in 8 hours would be easy....especially at Christmas and ESPECIALLY at Election time....if they were still there after a week their attitude changed.....

 

[Dad2three]

Gee, are't you archetype of the modern day anarchist. It's more likely you'll shoot a neighbor or a family member as you "lie in wait", which BTW, is one element of First Degree Murder.

Not when they're in my house.

You're all hat and no cattle. I suspect your dream is to kill a person and be found to be a hero. You know, the George Zimmerman type. Many who do so end up in prison, where they belong.

dang you are a whiny little fellow aren't you. It must really suck to be you to have that much hate stored up. You should take your own and advice and not use a message forum to let your anger out.
Right to work you don't like that do you. That 78% number will go down once the right to work makes it to more states. watch a tv near you for an update.

"Right to Work" is a euphemism for union busting and allowing employers to lower wages, reduce benefits, and providing a means to fire people who complain.

BTW, I'm not angry, I'm informed. My purpose here is to share information, not propaganda. Offer common sense ideas, not foolish schemes.

You know it's pretty damn weird that Houston leads the nation in Master Planned communities and it's a right to work state.
How do you explain that?

The Texas Economic Model: Hard for Other States to Follow and Not All It Seems

The reality is that much of Texas' growth results not from its policies but rather from factors that state officials cannot control. For example, Texas has been benefiting from cheap and plentiful land, a location that enables international immigration and trade, abundant natural resources such as oil and gas, and other advantages that cannot be exported.


Texas continues to lag behind the rest of the country in other important measures of economic success. About one in ten hourly wage jobs in Texas pays at or below the minimum wage ($7.25 per hour), more than in any other state, and Texas has the nation's 11th-highest poverty rate. Such high levels of poverty and low-wage employment make the Texas economy a dubious model for the nation.

The Texas Economic Model: Hard for Other States to Follow and Not All It Seems | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities


U.S. Census Bureau: Texas Poverty Rate 2.7 Percentage Points Higher Than National Average.

 

[Dad2three]

"Right to Work" is a euphemism for union busting and allowing employers to lower wages, reduce benefits, and providing a means to fire people who complain.

Would you rather these companies/jobs close down and move to other state or country?

That's happened and the government ought to put a tariff on any product once made in American not produced by 'slave' labor wages in other countries.

And start ups in America ought to receive government subsidy's when protective tariffs are not enough.

Fair trade isn't, kudos to HRC for putting her No stamp on the TTP. Another Boondoggle benefiting corporate America and not the working men and women in our nation.

guess you haven't heard of the new treaty TPP Trans Pacific Partners. your buddy Obama is getten ready to sign it and then watch the jobs leave. Funny how you all don't know these things.

BTW further evidence that the liberals want a socialistic dependent based country.

Yet like EVERY other "free trade" agreement, the GOP in Congress will get it passed while 60%+ of Dems vote against it!

 

[Dad2three]

In Texas and Alabama and most red states

i HATE/DESPISE the way some people label "red-states" as lesser. They are USA citizens with education, families, skin in the game. Like any state there is a distribution of IQ or common sense.

 

[OnePercenter]

The only way to get five years capital for a guy who served two years in the military and had no other job is that your family is banking you until you get on your feet.

And if that's happening for you, then great, but not all of us are lucky enough to have rich parents.

You say you're a rich businessman, but then you condemn all other businessmen, so what does that say about you?

Some day I'd like to be as wealthy as you, but you are making it harder when you go on a forum and bad mouth people who are trying to climb the ladder to get where you are.

The only way to get five years capital for a guy who served two years in the military and had no other job is that your family is banking you until you get on your feet.

No, my parents weren't poor, but my initial investment came from an Angel Investor (which later in life I became) and lines of credit.

You say you're a rich businessman, but then you condemn all other businessmen, so what does that say about you?

I haven't condemned anyone, I've stated that most business owners have no idea what they're doing, and 99% of businesses will fail.

 

[Dad2three]

In Texas and Alabama and most red states

i HATE/DESPISE the way some people label "red-states" as lesser. They are USA citizens with education, families, skin in the game. Like any state there is a distribution of IQ or common sense.

But in those states the distribution is skewed to the low side.

i have been all over this country and that is not true. Agreed some of the smartest people I ever worked with were from NY. But also from Texas, CA, GA etc. There is more common sense in any one farmer from KY than you could imagine. They have to work daily, sunup - sundown to keep it going. It may be true some states have more college grad or whatever but does that make you smarter? About some topics maybe, or you had the time to do 4-6 yrs of classroom.

ZERO TO DO WITH EDUCATION LEVEL, ALL ABOUT BUYING INTO RIGHT WING MEMES, DISTORTIONS AND LIES