GOP and trump considering Medicare cuts in his second term

[dblack]

its the dems who are refusing to compromise, or even to meet to discuss finding common ground. Have Pelosi and Schumer offered to meet with the republicans to seek compromise solutions? Duh, no

That's true but that is exactly the way the GOP treated Obama. In a way both Obama and Trump has deserved it.

nope, check history on the ACA. Passed by dems only in the dark of night on Christmas eve, no floor debate allowed in the house or senate, no amendments allowed in either house, no time to read the bill allowed before the vote. They rammed it up our collective asses and it was the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation and it was passed in the most corrupt underhanded way.

No, check your history of the ACA.


PolitiFact: Did Obamacare pass with Republican input?

No Republicans voted for it. The Democrats own ACA, lock, stock and barrel.

No and you're not paying attention a reading responses and I never said any republican's voted for it, he said they had no amendments, the article disputes that.

You're trying to suggest Republicans are partially responsible for ACA. They aren't. The only people responsible for ACA are the Democrats who voted for it, and the one who signed it into law.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Is it your position that obama did not take money from medicare?

My last three words "most never happened". Does that refer obama never took some money? No 750 million like you claimed,

Very well how about 716 Billion?
Obama Loots $716 Billion from Medicare

Better do some deeper digging but I will give you this the cuts for most medical services in your list actually at the last minute before happening were actually given a small increase. You also, if you really want to know see what the trump administration has done to certain meds that fall under Part B of Medicare.

No need for further digging obama took money from medicare so the CBO could score Obamacare that it would be passable in congress

You know it really doesn't matter 9 years later, what matters is what goes forward. But it seems if you are on Medicare it would concern you that taking away the way Part B drugs are paid and sticking them under Part D will cost one quite a bit more money. Part B drugs are normally administered in hospital or in a Doctor's office.

oh it doesn't matter now but yet you're whining about Trump doing it? How deep in hypocrisy do you stand?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1. If you truly believe that you are dumber than I thought. Not everyone is born with the same genetics, born into the same situation, has been able to live the same life lacking zillions of possible emergency situations, etc. etc. etc. Yes, LOTS of unavoidable circumstances. At this point you would be better off admitting to trolling than saying this is a genuine answer.

#2. No, not everyone has a smart phone. I don't own a smart phone and don't want one. I do not want a crutch to walk around like a zombie not actually living life.

#3. Have you even read what I've said to you? Last year was the first in SEVERAL DECADES that US life-spans went DOWN. Just 2.5 more years? Sounds great except:

"The new average life expectancy for Americans is 78.7 years, which puts the U.S. behind other developed nations and 1.5 years lower than the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) average life expectancy of 80.3. The OECD is a group of developed countries that includes Canada, Germany, Mexico, France, Japan, and the U.K."

Why Life Expectancy in the U.S. Dropped Again This Year

So hey! You can retire just about the same time you will die. Hope you enjoyed life!

#4. Ad hominem attack. This doesn't surprise me as it is only like your hundredth logical fallacy in this thread. I must have struck a nerve in you, as I just asked you to support all your B.S., and THIS is your best response?

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

Pre existing conditions are tough. Imagine me asking an insurance company to pay for the fire in my house after the fire happened. Insurance is a business and hence healthcare is broken in this country. But there is a dark side. Why should a healthy person A pay for an unhealthy person B? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

For someone who pretends intelligence...you don't understand the concept of insurance?

Oh...

Except I do. When it comes to auto insurance and life insurance it takes into account prior history, health, weight, etc

As it should

When it comes to health insurance they just pile us together. Stupid. Like you, Herr Lesh.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

#1) You're discussing outliers. 95% of people should be able to stay on private insurance and not get fat and unhealthy. We have much more data on health now than we did 50 years ago. Google "eating healthy". Not hard.

#2) You don't own a phone?!?!?!? LMAO! You're old.

#3) It went down to 79. If you retired at 70 you still live nine years. Not bad and it is mostly due to obesity and auto accidents. We drive more than people in those countries.

#4) Dude, you're fat and unhealthy. Just change your life.

As to your #1) If private insurance is forced to cover people longer, do you not realize there will be a corresponding increase in premiums if they are insuring older customers? I'll bet you didn't think of that, did you?

Not to mention, if the ACA is repealed it can go back to people with preexisting conditions may not be put back in... which means ZERO coverage for millions of people, or insurance so high they can't afford it or the meds. Oh, and also a lifetime cap that would mean a child born with a condition may hit that cap before they even become adults.

Some people that are in a fortunate situation get very arrogant and think they can speak for everyone.

Pre existing conditions are tough. Imagine me asking an insurance company to pay for the fire in my house after the fire happened. Insurance is a business and hence healthcare is broken in this country. But there is a dark side. Why should a healthy person A pay for an unhealthy person B? Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

For someone who pretends intelligence...you don't understand the concept of insurance?

Oh...

as much as I hate to say it, you are correct. Health Insurance is a method of spreading the cost over a large population where some will always get more benefits and everyone will pay the same premiums. But unlike car insurance, those who file claims are not charged a higher premium.

Which is bullshit imo.

 

[Markle]

We're talking about a winning issue.

Bernie Sanders has winning issues? How cute!

You believe this, don't you?

Sanders releases $16 trillion ‘Green New Deal’ plan, promises it will ‘pay for itself’
By Adam Shaw | Fox News

Sanders releases $16 trillion ‘Green New Deal’ plan, promises it will ‘pay for itself’

 

[Markle]

Trump said his new healthcare plan would include preexisting conditions... all for them NOT to be a part of the last attempt the GOP made to put one together. If you haven't noticed by now, you should expect exactly the opposite of what Trump tells you.

You obviously paid zero attention to the plan they were trying to get put together, because they contained all the tings I mentioned.

And I'm far from progressive. It's pretty clear you have never been around a real progressive, or you just think everything is binary and if all people that don't agree with you on every single issue are evil, progressive, socialist boogie men. Out of every single person in the Master's program at my university, I'm about the third most CONSERVATIVE out of them.

I don't know about you but I believe President Donald Trump has delivered exactly what he promised.

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List | MAGA PILL

Saying you're the "THIRD MOST CONSERVATIVE" in a master's degree program at a far-left university is like saying you stay dry when diving into a swimming pool. Laughable.

 

[Markle]

nope, check history on the ACA. Passed by dems only in the dark of night on Christmas eve, no floor debate allowed in the house or senate, no amendments allowed in either house, no time to read the bill allowed before the vote

Bullshit.

The ACA spent a full YEAR in negotiation...very PUBLIC negotiation

Your ignorance of how Obamacare was passed is sad, pathetic even, but not surprising. I'll bet you're willfully oblivious of the bribes paid to Democrats to shove the plan over the finish line too.

 

[Markle]

What people might want today has nothing to do with what the founders thought about government.

Mostly I've agreed with you, but I disagree with this post. I think you are right that the founders - like Jefferson Adams and Madison - distrusted govt. And those are three different, and esp with Jefferson and Adams, very conflicting views of what our govt should do. I assume, all three were wise enough to even distrust their own views of what govt should do, because the common thread was issues and solutions should be clearly set out and debated, because when a consensus by a sizeable majority was reached, that was the best chance of doing something that posed the best likely outcome.

But they didn't "hate" govt. They realized it was a necessity and pure libertarianism was a sham in terms of being a way to govern, and governing was necessary.

The thread, or at least my link, showed the piss poor place the gop is right now. They avoid any bipartisan approach. THAT is contrary to the founders. Obama actually did try for some bipartisan approach on healthcare, but there was no way for any goper to buy into universal coverage without being primaried, because the gop voters decided mandatory insurance was bad, even though the idea originated with conservatives. So Obama had to choose between covering everyone or accepteing a lesser law. And in the end, Roberts rewrote it to avoid universal coverage. LOL Imo Obama should have accepted a smaller law, but only because bipartisan buy in generally results in more popular support for a law.

its the dems who are refusing to compromise, or even to meet to discuss finding common ground. Have Pelosi and Schumer offered to meet with the republicans to seek compromise solutions? Duh, no

That's true but that is exactly the way the GOP treated Obama. In a way both Obama and Trump has deserved it.

nope, check history on the ACA. Passed by dems only in the dark of night on Christmas eve, no floor debate allowed in the house or senate, no amendments allowed in either house, no time to read the bill allowed before the vote. They rammed it up our collective asses and it was the worst piece of legislation in the history of this nation and it was passed in the most corrupt underhanded way.

No, check your history of the ACA.

PolitiFact: Did Obamacare pass with Republican input?

You're joking, right?

First, Politifact? Politifact is a far-left "fact-check" company owned and operated by the far-left newspaper, The Tampa Bay Times. They use the same facilities, same writers, same editors as the Tampa Bay Times.

The first thing that meets my eye when looking at your link is CNN, Jake Tapper and Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill.

How and why you threw up such a link is beyond me. Certainly, you did not read it!

You're quite amusing!

 

[lennypartiv]

Sanders releases $16 trillion ‘Green New Deal’ plan, promises it will ‘pay for itself’

Democrats have this fantasy that wind can power America. Meanwhile they are needlessly putting American coal miners out of work.

 

[lennypartiv]

Cut it 100%, along with every other social welfare program, all forms of corporate, disaster, and international aid as well

If we do end up in a recession, cutting welfare and medicaid will be necessary in order to pass the tax cut needed to save our economy.

 

[Anathema]

If we do end up in a recession, cutting welfare and medicaid will be necessary in order to pass the tax cut needed to save our economy.

The status of the economy is irrelevant; those programs need to be disbanded.

 

[JimH52]

He basically called the Chair of the Federal Reserve an enemy....a man HE nominated.

It used to be said that "When the Fed Chair sneezes...the stock market catches a cold"

And Trump does THIS??

The universe revolves around trump....which may explain his waist line.....

"Does she have coverage now? The ACA has been in effect since 13, when was she diagnosed?"
Answer it bit*h

You mean the ACA that OBAMA passed that the GOP and trump have been trying to kill? You mean that ACA?....B*TCH?

 

[JimH52]

If we do end up in a recession, cutting welfare and medicaid will be necessary in order to pass the tax cut needed to save our economy.

The status of the economy is irrelevant; those programs need to be disbanded.

Spoken like a true trump sucking Republican..

 

[Agit8r]

There are actually proposals by some candidates to fully fund Medicare indefinitely. For all.

Lol
Fuck that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

People realize that they will pay less overall.

But that is not true and if it is the service will be worse overall. Why would doctors want to make less when they paid so much for Med School?

Would doctors make less? Why? It isn't state run delivery of medicine. It is the state providing a single insurer.

 

[JimH52]

Cut it 100%, along with every other social welfare program, all forms of corporate, disaster, and international aid as well

If we do end up in a recession, cutting welfare and medicaid will be necessary in order to pass the tax cut needed to save our economy.

Cause the last tax cuts worked so well?

So....you got it all figured out. If we have a recession kill the safety net and give tax cuts to the rich again...

The old tired GOP plan is still hanging on.

Basically...the latest tax cuts mirrored the Kansas experiment. How did that work out?

 

[Markle]

If we do end up in a recession, cutting welfare and medicaid will be necessary in order to pass the tax cut needed to save our economy.

The status of the economy is irrelevant; those programs need to be disbanded.

As a country, we need safety nets but NOT hammocks!

Would doctors make less? Why? It isn't state run delivery of medicine. It is the state providing a single insurer.

See Specialists in Canada.

Thinking the cost to the patient can be slashed without cutting the PAY to employees (doctors, PAs, nurses) is naive.

 

[Agit8r]

If we do end up in a recession, cutting welfare and medicaid will be necessary in order to pass the tax cut needed to save our economy.

The status of the economy is irrelevant; those programs need to be disbanded.

As a country, we need safety nets but NOT hammocks!

Would doctors make less? Why? It isn't state run delivery of medicine. It is the state providing a single insurer.

See Specialists in Canada.

Thinking the cost to the patient can be slashed without cutting the PAY to employees (doctors, PAs, nurses) is naive.

Americans could do better. We are an innovative people. Besides that, a lot of people here can't afford to go to a specialist on their current insurance anyway.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Lol
Fuck that, Conservatives do not benefit from Medicare for all... And certainly cannot afford it. So keep that motherfucking shit yourselves you spineless motherfuckers

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

People realize that they will pay less overall.

But that is not true and if it is the service will be worse overall. Why would doctors want to make less when they paid so much for Med School?

Would doctors make less? Why? It isn't state run delivery of medicine. It is the state providing a single insurer.

Because private pay always pays better. Why do you think so many now go lasik and beauty enhancements? Once the Govt is involved the $$$ dwindles. That’s why so many don’t accept Medicaid.

 

[Agit8r]

It would help a lot of Republican voters. And many even realize that:
Majority of Republicans supports 'Medicare for all,' poll finds

Did the poll ask if they were willing to fork over another huge percentage of their income to pay for it and they would lose whatever private insurance they had?

Of course, it did not! The poll is therefore about as useless as teats on a boar hog!

People realize that they will pay less overall.

But that is not true and if it is the service will be worse overall. Why would doctors want to make less when they paid so much for Med School?

Would doctors make less? Why? It isn't state run delivery of medicine. It is the state providing a single insurer.

Because private pay always pays better. Why do you think so many now go lasik and beauty enhancements? Once the Govt is involved the $$$ dwindles. That’s why so many don’t accept Medicaid.

Medicare is not treated the same way in the budgeting process that medicaid is. Because Medicare is a sacred cow, and Medicaid has a poverty related stigma.

 

[Lewdog]

Trump said his new healthcare plan would include preexisting conditions... all for them NOT to be a part of the last attempt the GOP made to put one together. If you haven't noticed by now, you should expect exactly the opposite of what Trump tells you.

You obviously paid zero attention to the plan they were trying to get put together, because they contained all the tings I mentioned.

And I'm far from progressive. It's pretty clear you have never been around a real progressive, or you just think everything is binary and if all people that don't agree with you on every single issue are evil, progressive, socialist boogie men. Out of every single person in the Master's program at my university, I'm about the third most CONSERVATIVE out of them.

I don't know about you but I believe President Donald Trump has delivered exactly what he promised.

President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List | MAGA PILL

Saying you're the "THIRD MOST CONSERVATIVE" in a master's degree program at a far-left university is like saying you stay dry when diving into a swimming pool. Laughable.

Far left university? What university do I go to?