GOP strategy - disrupted Dem town hall meetings

[DiveCon]

Come back when your mommy teaches you to construct more than a single sentence pea brain...it IS your MO...LOL

come back when you can do more than copy & paste from moronic sites like thinkprogress

Hey moron--do you know any word other than MORON? Here, I'll help you out:

feeble-minded, mentally handicapped, imbecile, idiot, simpleton, dullard, dunce, blockhead, mental defective, cretin, tomfool, dunderhead, lunkhead, muttonhead, numskull, dimwit, retard, halfwit, boob, dingbat, saphead, loon, fool.

At least using a mix of adjectives would indicate you have more than a sixth grade education.

fuck off
i post as i please
dont like it
put me on ignore like the other weak morons do

 

[DiveCon]

While I apprecite your passion for the issues Maggie and respect them as well, my point here is to simply make the case that the people that are expressing their opinions are just as passionate in their views as those that wish the Govt. to offer healthcare. I think it's always a good thing to question those that are in power, because it is they who work for you and not the other way around. Frequently it's my opinion and this goes for both sides, that too many willingly accept what those that represent them are saying without question. It is one thing to respect the office in which they hold it's another to be able to question the actions of the office holder. I have said this a while back though Maggie, I'm under no illusions here, in the end we all live together in the same nation and it's my belief that we all share a desire to see costs go down in healthcare. It's how we get there thats the real issue at hand. When we all can see that we all have the same goal to bring down costs and recognize that no matter who prevails we will all have to live with those choices perhaps that will provide many with the stimulus needed to actuallty make a difference. Those that represent us in congress be they Republicans or Democrats are there to work for us and we as citizens have a duty to hold them accountable for their actions on our behalf. I have a deep belief Maggie that when we as citizens begin to do this then the "change" that so many desire won't take long to be put into place. I have the utmost respect for anyone and even those I have had issues with, who express themselves and are engaged in their nations future. You see, after 20 plus years in the Navy everyone of you here on whatever side you represent validate with your passion all the sacrifice made by myself , my family and all the good men and women that served with me. So keep expressing your opinion Maggie, as I would never advocate otherwise.

I would take the opinions of those on the right as sincere IF they had made the same effort to "question the actions of the office holder" on the War in Iraq and HOW it would be PAID for... it wasn't even included in the budget...

A very well know economist estimates the long term cost of that war will be THREE TRILLION dollars, for WHAT, so Iraq can have new roads, bridges and hospitals? So no bid contractors with favor in the VP's office can rip off tax payers by OVERcharging for INcomplete projects...even with such INcompetence that American soldiers were electrocuted taking a SHOWER?

WHERE is the OUTrage and holding elected officials accountable? The current health care system is costing Americans lives...that is a FACT. Some Americans that can't afford heath insurance will DIE because they didn't get proper medical checkups, treatment and medicine...others will live, just lose all their life savings....

Yet Republicans that held both houses of Congress and the White House NEVER proposed health care reform... But NOW we're supposed to believe they WANT reform and have a better plan?

Sometimes the word BULLSHIT applies...

BULLSHIT!!!

bullshit iis right
thats the best word to discribe your post

 

[Navy1960]

Senate Republicans plan to introduce a health care bill that is similiar to one favored by conservative House Democrats and includes many elements of President Clinton's plan but would not include most government mandates and price controls.

Although substantial differences exist among the three plans, it has been decades since such diverse congressional blocs agreed on even a general structure for health care reform. That apparent consensus may make it easier to pass comprehensive legislation in the near future.

"They're really all talking about the same framework," said John Rother, legislative director for the American Association of Retired Persons. "This is incredible progress since a ...
Senate GOP Health Care Bill to Include Elements of Clinton Plan | Article from The Washington Post | HighBeam Research

Feb 15, 1994 - A Senate committee voted 4-3 Monday for a Republican health-care bill that would require insurers to offer basic benefit packages that ... that the bill would restrict a woman's access to abortion, but supporters said at a hearing before the Senate Select Committee on Health Care ...
From GOP HEALTH-CARE BILL GAINS IN WISCONSIN

The House last night passed a health care reform bill designed to guarantee access for millions of Americans who change jobs or lose them, establish medical savings accounts and set limits on malpractice awards


The vote was 267-151.

Democrats called the GOP measure an effort to "sabotage real health care reform" by "loading it up" with "gifts" for special interests, such as insurance companies and
NewsLibrary Search Results

Today, the leading Republican health care reform alternative, The Patients' Choice Act, will be introduced in the Senate by Senators Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Richard Burr (R-NC), and in the House by Reps. Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Devin Nunes (R-CA). The bill would assure essential health coverage and health care to every U.S. citizen, without increased federal spending and taxes, and without the federal government taking over your health care. For precisely those reasons, today's left wing Democrats will not support it.

The American Spectator : The Republican Health Care Alternative
The House moved toward passage early today of a $350 billion Republican plan to help older Americans pay for prescription drugs, after a struggle within the GOP over legislation that both political parties consider vital to the elderly -- and to their electoral fortunes this fall.

Debate on the legislation was postponed throughout most of the day yesterday, as House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) and the Bush administration mounted a lobbying blitz to persuade a core of rebellious Republicans it was essential to demonstrate momentum on a pivotal issue before lawmakers go home this weekend ...

House Nears Vote on Prescription Drug Plan; Hastert Lobbying of Republican Faction on Aid Proposal Reveals Internal GOP Struggle - The Washington Post | Encyclopedia.com

Those are just a few of the Republican healthcare measures over the last several years. To simply make the statement or imply that Republicans have sat on the sidelines and done nothing on healthcare is completely false. In fact all the issues you pointed out were issues that are not related to a single party. I seem to recall that since 1/07 demcrats have been in power in both housees of congress and all the while could have proposed legislation on universal healthcare at anytime. One more thing to consider here as well all those votes on spending bills took the participation of a willing congress to make it happen. You will not find in me any support for over spending be it the last administration or the current one. It makes no difference to me if they are democrats or republicans. One other thing to consider here as well, all that war spending that you seem to imply was a result of republicans over spending could have been avoided easily had democrats decided to do so. However that was not the case. I don't look at one party and place blame, I look at the whole and hold them all accountable for their actions and that includes Bush if you really want to know the truth. Further, many on here who have read my postings know one thing about me and that is if I thought Bush had done something wrong I had no trouble pointing it out.

2007 Iraq War spending Vote 80-14

Authorization for Use of Force in Iraq Senate 77- 23

By the way here is something you probably didn't know
Reps. Duncan (R-TN), Hostettler (R-IN), Houghton (R-NY), Leach (R-IA), Morella (R-MD), Paul (R-TX).

All voted AGAINST the war in Iraq when the likes of Clinton and others did, so my point here is this, these reps. are ours regardless of the D. and the R. so hold them accountable for what they do regardless of what party they belong too.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Why are those on the left so worried about republicans exercising their constitutional right?

 

[Sweet Willy]

These people are certainly free to attend and question issues at public meetings. The disruption part is the problem. Anyone behaving in a disorderly fashion, in a public place should be arrested and charged. If we can arrest people for shouting on their front porch we can certainly arrest them for shouting at a public meeting.

 

[Missourian]

Obama leaves his meetings open.

Like hell.

I agree....Obama's meetings are staged, and the ones who ask the questions are chosen beforehand. Every now and then he will allow a FOX reporter to ask a question, but after he got is ass burned last time with the question of "what took you so long?" I don't think he will do that anymore.

Absolutely 100% scripted...he has a list of who to call on and every question that will be asked.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z2k_oIo0Zc]YouTube - Lynn Sweet Dissed At Obama News Conference[/ame]

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[Ravi]

Whoa! Remember how they demonized that poor, distraught mother of a dead soldier and called her a traitor?

What a bunch of hypocrites.

 

[BrokenAngel]

Keep in mind that "Town Hall Meetings" are supposed to be citizen's meetings not democrat citizen's meetings. If they are meant to be Democrat meetings they would be campaign events. We are not in the campaign season now, we are in a season of public input and debate for and about policies being proposed into bills to be voted on in both houses of congess. This is how representative democracy works.

REALLY, "public input and debate for and about policies being proposed..."

– Be Disruptive Early And Often:

– Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate:

HOW is THAT "public input and debate for and about policies being proposed..." ???

Being disruptive and subversive to undermine any legitimate "debate for and about policies being proposed" is NOT HOW our representative democracy is SUPPOSED to work...

It is a form of domestic terrorism... orchestrated by Pete Sessions (R-Texas)....

THIS Pete Sessions (R-Texas)...

Insurgency

Friday, February 6, 2009

Texas Republican Congressman Pete Sessions compares GOP strategy to Taliban insurgency

"Insurgency, we understand perhaps a little bit more because of the Taliban, and that is that they went about systematically understanding how to disrupt and change a person's entire processes. And these Taliban -- I'm not trying to say the Republican Party is the Taliban. No, that's not what we're saying. I'm saying an example of how you go about [sic] is to change a person from their messaging to their operations to their frontline message. And we need to understand that insurgency may be required when the other side, the House leadership, does not follow the same commands, which we entered the game with."

Paragraph from hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com.

Congressman Pete Sessions Compares House Republicans To Taliban | Capitol Annex

Anger is seldom without an argument but seldom with a good one.
Lord Halifax

Out of curiosity are you actually upset by this? Isn't this what the Dems tell gays to do for gay rights? Look at what happened with Prop 8. There was such a stink about the popular vote saying no that it gets taken to the Supreme Court in attempts to circumvent what the majority of voters wanted. Isn't this also the same approach that comes up any time a white group or a Judeo-Christian group "oppresses" someone that is considered a minority? Mass disruption, huge media coverage, people yelling that the conservatives are screwing up the nation. Why is it that now, with the shoe on the other foot, it is suddenly awful? I am just honestly curious.. I want your opinion if you could please because I don't really see the problem. People see something happening they hate, and are terrified of, and they are begging for people to listen to them, to hear that they feel something very wrong is happening, they want their nation and their representatives to care about them and to listen rather than ignore them because they usually ask quietly rather than scream.

 

[DiveCon]

These people are certainly free to attend and question issues at public meetings. The disruption part is the problem. Anyone behaving in a disorderly fashion, in a public place should be arrested and charged. If we can arrest people for shouting on their front porch we can certainly arrest them for shouting at a public meeting.

you didnt actually read the memo, did you?
no where does it say to be disruptive
in fact it says just the opposite
thinkprogress(where they neither think nor progress) LIED

 

[Sweet Willy]

These people are certainly free to attend and question issues at public meetings. The disruption part is the problem. Anyone behaving in a disorderly fashion, in a public place should be arrested and charged. If we can arrest people for shouting on their front porch we can certainly arrest them for shouting at a public meeting.

you didnt actually read the memo, did you?
no where does it say to be disruptive
in fact it says just the opposite
thinkprogress(where they neither think nor progress) LIED

Don't care what the memo said. Not the point.

Anyone is free to voice their opinion, question and participate. If they become disorderly or disruptive, arrest them. Doesn't matter if it was a memo they were following or if they just took it upon themselves to be disorderly. From the videos I have seen, there were some people who should have been removed from the meetings.

 

[Political Junky]

Right wing UN-American activity...

"the days of civil town halls are now “over.”" Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC


Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’

This morning, Politico reported that Democratic members of Congress are increasingly being harassed by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. For example, in one incident, right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety.

This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity. Recently, right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy outside of his office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and lobbyists who have a stake in opposing President Obama’s reforms.

The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:

– Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– Be Disruptive Early And Often: “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate: “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”

The memo above also resembles the talking points being distributed by FreedomWorks for pushing an anti-health reform assault all summer. Patients United, a front group maintained by Americans for Prosperity, is currently busing people all over the country for more protests against Democratic members. Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC, has endorsed the strategy, telling the Politico the days of civil town halls are now “over.”

Meanwhile, AHIP, the trade group and lobbying juggernaut representing the health insurance industry is sending staffers to monitor town halls and other right-wing front groups are stepping up their ad campaign to smear reform efforts. The strategy for defeating reform — recently outlined by an influential lobbyist to the Hill newspaper as “delay” then “kill” — is becoming apparent. By delaying a vote until after the August recess, lobbyists are now seizing upon recess town halls as opportunities to ambush lawmakers and fool them into believing there is wide opposition to reform.

Read more...

Just more evidence that the GOP is the party of "NO". They have no plans for anything, except to disrupt Democratic meetings.

 

[DiveCon]

Right wing UN-American activity...

"the days of civil town halls are now “over.”" Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC


Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’

This morning, Politico reported that Democratic members of Congress are increasingly being harassed by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. For example, in one incident, right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety.

This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity. Recently, right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy outside of his office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and lobbyists who have a stake in opposing President Obama’s reforms.

The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:

– Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– Be Disruptive Early And Often: “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate: “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”

The memo above also resembles the talking points being distributed by FreedomWorks for pushing an anti-health reform assault all summer. Patients United, a front group maintained by Americans for Prosperity, is currently busing people all over the country for more protests against Democratic members. Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC, has endorsed the strategy, telling the Politico the days of civil town halls are now “over.”

Meanwhile, AHIP, the trade group and lobbying juggernaut representing the health insurance industry is sending staffers to monitor town halls and other right-wing front groups are stepping up their ad campaign to smear reform efforts. The strategy for defeating reform — recently outlined by an influential lobbyist to the Hill newspaper as “delay” then “kill” — is becoming apparent. By delaying a vote until after the August recess, lobbyists are now seizing upon recess town halls as opportunities to ambush lawmakers and fool them into believing there is wide opposition to reform.

Read more...

Just more evidence that the GOP is the party of "NO". They have no plans for anything, except to disrupt Democratic meetings.

another one that didnt actually read the memo

 

[DiveCon]

These people are certainly free to attend and question issues at public meetings. The disruption part is the problem. Anyone behaving in a disorderly fashion, in a public place should be arrested and charged. If we can arrest people for shouting on their front porch we can certainly arrest them for shouting at a public meeting.

you didnt actually read the memo, did you?
no where does it say to be disruptive
in fact it says just the opposite
thinkprogress(where they neither think nor progress) LIED

Don't care what the memo said. Not the point.

Anyone is free to voice their opinion, question and participate. If they become disorderly or disruptive, arrest them. Doesn't matter if it was a memo they were following or if they just took it upon themselves to be disorderly. From the videos I have seen, there were some people who should have been removed from the meetings.

well, had you read the memo, you would know that what they claimed to be happening ISNT

 

[Political Junky]

Right wing UN-American activity...

"the days of civil town halls are now “over.”" Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC


Right-Wing Harassment Strategy Against Dems Detailed In Memo: ‘Yell,’ ‘Stand Up And Shout Out,’ ‘Rattle Him’

This morning, Politico reported that Democratic members of Congress are increasingly being harassed by “angry, sign-carrying mobs and disruptive behavior” at local town halls. For example, in one incident, right-wing protesters surrounded Rep. Tim Bishop (D-NY) and forced police officers to have to escort him to his car for safety.

This growing phenomenon is often marked by violence and absurdity. Recently, right-wing demonstrators hung Rep. Frank Kratovil (D-MD) in effigy outside of his office. Missing from the reporting of these stories is the fact that much of these protests are coordinated by public relations firms and lobbyists who have a stake in opposing President Obama’s reforms.

The lobbyist-run groups Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks, which orchestrated the anti-Obama tea parties earlier this year, are now pursuing an aggressive strategy to create an image of mass public opposition to health care and clean energy reform. A leaked memo from Bob MacGuffie, a volunteer with the FreedomWorks website Tea Party Patriots, details how members should be infiltrating town halls and harassing Democratic members of Congress:

– Artificially Inflate Your Numbers: “Spread out in the hall and try to be in the front half. The objective is to put the Rep on the defensive with your questions and follow-up. The Rep should be made to feel that a majority, and if not, a significant portion of at least the audience, opposes the socialist agenda of Washington.”

– Be Disruptive Early And Often: “You need to rock-the-boat early in the Rep’s presentation, Watch for an opportunity to yell out and challenge the Rep’s statements early.”

– Try To “Rattle Him,” Not Have An Intelligent Debate: “The goal is to rattle him, get him off his prepared script and agenda. If he says something outrageous, stand up and shout out and sit right back down. Look for these opportunities before he even takes questions.”

The memo above also resembles the talking points being distributed by FreedomWorks for pushing an anti-health reform assault all summer. Patients United, a front group maintained by Americans for Prosperity, is currently busing people all over the country for more protests against Democratic members. Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC, has endorsed the strategy, telling the Politico the days of civil town halls are now “over.”

Meanwhile, AHIP, the trade group and lobbying juggernaut representing the health insurance industry is sending staffers to monitor town halls and other right-wing front groups are stepping up their ad campaign to smear reform efforts. The strategy for defeating reform — recently outlined by an influential lobbyist to the Hill newspaper as “delay” then “kill” — is becoming apparent. By delaying a vote until after the August recess, lobbyists are now seizing upon recess town halls as opportunities to ambush lawmakers and fool them into believing there is wide opposition to reform.

Read more...

Just more evidence that the GOP is the party of "NO". They have no plans for anything, except to disrupt Democratic meetings.

another one that didnt actually read the memo

Oh, I read it. I particularly liked this line from it:

Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX), chairman of the NRCC, has endorsed the strategy, telling the Politico the days of civil town halls are now “over.”

 

[Sweet Willy]

you didnt actually read the memo, did you?
no where does it say to be disruptive
in fact it says just the opposite
thinkprogress(where they neither think nor progress) LIED

Don't care what the memo said. Not the point.

Anyone is free to voice their opinion, question and participate. If they become disorderly or disruptive, arrest them. Doesn't matter if it was a memo they were following or if they just took it upon themselves to be disorderly. From the videos I have seen, there were some people who should have been removed from the meetings.

well, had you read the memo, you would know that what they claimed to be happening ISNT

The memo proves what? You are about as stupid as they come.

A memo doesn't show one way or the other what is happening at these meetings.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

These people are certainly free to attend and question issues at public meetings. The disruption part is the problem. Anyone behaving in a disorderly fashion, in a public place should be arrested and charged. If we can arrest people for shouting on their front porch we can certainly arrest them for shouting at a public meeting.

Shouldn't judgement be withheld until a disruption happens?

Do you know if any of the code pink idiots were arrested for any of their disruptions?

 

[Navy1960]

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is force. And force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." George Washington



These Americans that are expressing their anger at their Govt. are doing so because they are expressing the views that they know best whats good to guide their own lives than those in Washington. Further, they are also expressing a right given to them in the 1st Amendment in the constitution and do so no differently that the street protestor that would see tehir Govts. commitment in overseas wars as wrong. Each of which are through their own means expressing a freedom given to them. The very nature of civil disobedience is to make ones voice heard in a peaceful manner. I don't see any violent nature in these Americans expressions, so following a long tradtion in this nation these good people have come out to say to those that represent them in a passionate way they do not want a Govt. mandated healthcare system.

If... the machine of government... is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law. ~Henry David Thoreau, On the Duty of Civil Disobediance, 1849

You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it. ~Malcolm X

 

[Wry Catcher]

When should the exercise of free speech be regulated? Whenever the right of free speech is used to censor others.

 

[Sweet Willy]

These people are certainly free to attend and question issues at public meetings. The disruption part is the problem. Anyone behaving in a disorderly fashion, in a public place should be arrested and charged. If we can arrest people for shouting on their front porch we can certainly arrest them for shouting at a public meeting.

Shouldn't judgement be withheld until a disruption happens?

Do you know if any of the code pink idiots were arrested for any of their disruptions?

Well yes! I wouldn't suggest otherwise. There is no reason to be arresting people un less they have comitted a crime. I am not taking any particular side on this issue, just noting that anyone who creates a disturbance or behaves disorderly should be removed from the meetings.

Just take a look at what this guy did at a meeting. An age old republican disruption tactic.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrBaV5MvX_4]YouTube - Fart Interrupts City Council[/ame]

 

[Political Junky]

These people are certainly free to attend and question issues at public meetings. The disruption part is the problem. Anyone behaving in a disorderly fashion, in a public place should be arrested and charged. If we can arrest people for shouting on their front porch we can certainly arrest them for shouting at a public meeting.

Shouldn't judgement be withheld until a disruption happens?

Do you know if any of the code pink idiots were arrested for any of their disruptions?

Apparently, Fox isn't showing the videos that I see on MSNBC.