Government Spending On Health Care In Switzerland

[bripat9643]

I disagree with every word of it. But for starters, take your claim that money couldn't exist without the National debt. That is easy to disprove.

In today's modern world, the us govt creates dollars and adds them to the economy. That is simply how it works. The economy would collapse if the us government stopped creating dollars, since circulation is not how it ideally should be. Disagree with every word of it? Then you're a moron who knows nothing about economics.

Yes, I fully realize the government creates money. However, your theory that it couldn't do that without going into debt is pure fantasy. Your believe that the only kind of money is government fiat money is also clearly a fantasy.

Hey, moron, we've been a fiat regime for decades. I'm not a gold humper, I like to talk about the world we actually live in.

However, your theory that it couldn't do that without going into debt is pure fantasy.

What the f*** do you think the debt represents?

You said money couldn't exist if the government didn't go into debt. Now you seem to be claiming that it was possible in the past. Did the laws of economics change at some point?

We're a fiat regime now. I am quite obviously talking about our current system.

So why can't the government simply print up more bank notes without incurring any debt?

 

[bripat9643]

It's 100% necessary and this nation would collapse if we tried to cut it.

Lol

Think big deficits cause recessions
We've tried it before... and every time..

There is never an excuse for debt...

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

 

[Rustic]

 

[bripat9643]

Taxation is the only thing that creates demand? You don't know the first thing about money.

I never said it was the only thing. However, the US dollar is in demand because people have to acquire it to pay taxes.

Wrong.

Are you stupid? How the hell is this wrong? This is basic stuff.

Taxes aren't the only thing people use dollars to pay for. Any child with money for the ice cream truck can tell you that.

*sigh.* Why do you think people use the US dollar over other forms of currency?

Because our government isn't quite as criminal as the governments of other country. It doesn't loot people who have money assets by debasing the currency as eagerly as other governments.

 

[LeftofLeft]

People that are against single payer aren't thinking logically. Taxes would go up slightly, but you'd save money because you would no longer have to make insurance payments. It's stupid to have a middle man raking in billions of dollars when there is a better way.

Or, you provide the taxpayer, not the employer, nor the government, to shop their pre- tax money to healthcare providers.

 

[Rustic]

Being in debt is the same thing as being in slavery...

 

[Dovahkiin]

Lol

Think big deficits cause recessions
We've tried it before... and every time..

There is never an excuse for debt...

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Think big deficits cause recessions

 

[Rustic]

Think big deficits cause recessions
We've tried it before... and every time..

There is never an excuse for debt...

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Think big deficits cause recessions

Debt is always a killer of economy's

 

[Dovahkiin]

I never said it was the only thing. However, the US dollar is in demand because people have to acquire it to pay taxes.

Wrong.

Are you stupid? How the hell is this wrong? This is basic stuff.

Taxes aren't the only thing people use dollars to pay for. Any child with money for the ice cream truck can tell you that.

*sigh.* Why do you think people use the US dollar over other forms of currency?

Because our government isn't quite as criminal as the governments of other country. It doesn't loot people who have money assets by debasing the currency as eagerly as other governments.

There is never an excuse for debt...

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Think big deficits cause recessions

Debt is always a killer of economy's

Please cite an example of a sovereign nation using non-convertible, non-pegged, free- floating currency that has defaulted on debt denominated in their currency

 

[Rustic]

Wrong.

Are you stupid? How the hell is this wrong? This is basic stuff.

Taxes aren't the only thing people use dollars to pay for. Any child with money for the ice cream truck can tell you that.

*sigh.* Why do you think people use the US dollar over other forms of currency?

Because our government isn't quite as criminal as the governments of other country. It doesn't loot people who have money assets by debasing the currency as eagerly as other governments.

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Think big deficits cause recessions

Debt is always a killer of economy's

Please cite an example of a sovereign nation using non-convertible, non-pegged, free- floating currency that has defaulted on debt denominated in their currency

Debt is debt it has to be payed, the country has far too much of it to ever be paid back... Pubic and private.
IOU's never work and printed paper is not wealth, the country is FUBARed no two ways about it...
You really should stop believing what career politicians are telling you... You sound like a gullible dolt.
Lol

 

[Weatherman2020]

Government spending on health care in Switzerland is only 2.7 percent of GDP, by far the lowest in the developed world. By contrast, in 2008, U.S. government spending on health care was 7.4 percent of GDP. If the U.S. could move its state health spending to Swiss levels, it would save more than $700 billion a year.

'Course that would deprive insurance companies of massive annual profits...Can't Have That!!

A nation that sits idle and neutral during world wars, takes NAZI plunder, launders mob money, etc etc I guess they can afford a lot of things.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong.

Are you stupid? How the hell is this wrong? This is basic stuff.

Taxes aren't the only thing people use dollars to pay for. Any child with money for the ice cream truck can tell you that.

*sigh.* Why do you think people use the US dollar over other forms of currency?

Because our government isn't quite as criminal as the governments of other country. It doesn't loot people who have money assets by debasing the currency as eagerly as other governments.

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Think big deficits cause recessions

Debt is always a killer of economy's

Please cite an example of a sovereign nation using non-convertible, non-pegged, free- floating currency that has defaulted on debt denominated in their currency

They don't default on it. They inflate it away. That's how hyperinflation occurs, as in prewar Germany, Zimbabwe, Argentina and various other countries.

 

[bripat9643]

Think big deficits cause recessions
We've tried it before... and every time..

There is never an excuse for debt...

There is never an excuse for government debt, at any rate.

Then you want to harm the private sector.

government debt harms the private sector.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Think big deficits cause recessions

What do you imagine your graph proves?

 

[Campbell]

Government spending on health care in Switzerland is only 2.7 percent of GDP, by far the lowest in the developed world. By contrast, in 2008, U.S. government spending on health care was 7.4 percent of GDP. If the U.S. could move its state health spending to Swiss levels, it would save more than $700 billion a year.

'Course that would deprive insurance companies of massive annual profits...Can't Have That!!

It should not be up to the federal government to pay for healthcare, it's not a right...

Public school used to not be a "right" either,

Thats a roaring success isnt it...if increasing ignorance was the goal

It is a roaring success! Before public schools, basic education was lacking if one didn't have the money for school.

I wouldn't be too quick about calling public ed a roaring success. People should be able to keep their tax dollars and spend them at public or private ed, their choice!

What about poor people? The rich want to keep the have nots down......it's the only way they can be superior to anything. Most of them couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. What about the folks who don't start from a family which is well off?

 

[Campbell]

Government spending on health care in Switzerland is only 2.7 percent of GDP, by far the lowest in the developed world. By contrast, in 2008, U.S. government spending on health care was 7.4 percent of GDP. If the U.S. could move its state health spending to Swiss levels, it would save more than $700 billion a year.

'Course that would deprive insurance companies of massive annual profits...Can't Have That!!

There are a lot of countries that also spend less on education than us, and get better results. Are you in favor of that as well?

Mark

The whole point is that in modern America the Republicans are trying to privatize everything. That way they will have the beginning of their real goal.......a Lord/Serf society, the Haves and the Have Nots.

One thing you can forget.....a Republican president. George W. Bush will be the last and in 2000 Al Gore got half a million more popular votes than he did. If Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris plus a Republican supreme court hadn't stolen the election in Florida George W. would have never been president. That fiasco was the biggest farce in modern history.

 

[Iceweasel]

That whole system is FUBARed there is no saving it, just like the country's tax, spend and print policies. The country has passed the point of no return.

No, it hasn't. We're nowhere near maximum output, we can spend freely.

You're delusional, the country becoming more and more socialist everyday. Socialism is a society exclusively for Deadbeats, a very contagious disease of choice.

It worked very well to get us out of a Hoover depression. I know.....I was there.

I will also point out that George W. Bush assumed a thriving economy with an unemployment rate of 4.3%, a balanced budget, then immediately cut taxes twice, continued to spend like a drunken sailor, ran up six trillion dollars of new debt and left a recession that if big banks had not been handed $700 billion would have been worse than the 1930's.

Hoover greatly extended the depression with all his public spending. People have to pay for the programs, whatever you put into the public sector comes out of the private sector. obama has put us much deeper in debt with little to no results so your rants are lunacy. Nor have you figured out the role 9/11, Katrina or the housing bust has played. It's amazing how people twist their minds to believe in something.

Well...you just proved your ignorance on the subject. The banks all closed their doors and nothing improved until Franklin Roosevelt's programs began. My Dad worked on the WPA drawing $3.60 a week for 48 hours. The depression actually was not completely over till the 2nd World War started. When the Republicans screw things up they do a fantastic job. Look at what happened beginning with Ronald Reagan:

You keep spamming the board with the same shit and ignoring anything to the contrary. I will defer to my reality more than your cherry picked charts and stats. The country did better under Reagan than his predecessor. Hate is a poor substitute for intellect.

 

[Iceweasel]

It should not be up to the federal government to pay for healthcare, it's not a right...

Public school used to not be a "right" either,

Thats a roaring success isnt it...if increasing ignorance was the goal

It is a roaring success! Before public schools, basic education was lacking if one didn't have the money for school.

I wouldn't be too quick about calling public ed a roaring success. People should be able to keep their tax dollars and spend them at public or private ed, their choice!

What about poor people? The rich want to keep the have nots down......it's the only way they can be superior to anything. Most of them couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. What about the folks who don't start from a family which is well off?

I didn't know "the rich" was a single entity. Many people in this country start out poor and do well. Some very well. If you can't make it here you can't make it anywhere, don't blame it on "the rich".

 

[Iceweasel]

Government spending on health care in Switzerland is only 2.7 percent of GDP, by far the lowest in the developed world. By contrast, in 2008, U.S. government spending on health care was 7.4 percent of GDP. If the U.S. could move its state health spending to Swiss levels, it would save more than $700 billion a year.

'Course that would deprive insurance companies of massive annual profits...Can't Have That!!

There are a lot of countries that also spend less on education than us, and get better results. Are you in favor of that as well?

Mark

The whole point is that in modern America the Republicans are trying to privatize everything. That way they will have the beginning of their real goal.......a Lord/Serf society, the Haves and the Have Nots.

One thing you can forget.....a Republican president. George W. Bush will be the last and in 2000 Al Gore got half a million more popular votes than he did. If Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris plus a Republican supreme court hadn't stolen the election in Florida George W. would have never been president. That fiasco was the biggest farce in modern history.

This poor bastard is still foaming at the mouth over Al Gore's loss in Florida. Bush derangement became permanent in some people, they never fully recovered.

 

[Rustic]

Government spending on health care in Switzerland is only 2.7 percent of GDP, by far the lowest in the developed world. By contrast, in 2008, U.S. government spending on health care was 7.4 percent of GDP. If the U.S. could move its state health spending to Swiss levels, it would save more than $700 billion a year.

'Course that would deprive insurance companies of massive annual profits...Can't Have That!!

There are a lot of countries that also spend less on education than us, and get better results. Are you in favor of that as well?

Mark

The whole point is that in modern America the Republicans are trying to privatize everything. That way they will have the beginning of their real goal.......a Lord/Serf society, the Haves and the Have Nots.

One thing you can forget.....a Republican president. George W. Bush will be the last and in 2000 Al Gore got half a million more popular votes than he did. If Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris plus a Republican supreme court hadn't stolen the election in Florida George W. would have never been president. That fiasco was the biggest farce in modern history.

Ha, not really.

 

[Rustic]

It should not be up to the federal government to pay for healthcare, it's not a right...

Public school used to not be a "right" either,

Thats a roaring success isnt it...if increasing ignorance was the goal

It is a roaring success! Before public schools, basic education was lacking if one didn't have the money for school.

I wouldn't be too quick about calling public ed a roaring success. People should be able to keep their tax dollars and spend them at public or private ed, their choice!

What about poor people? The rich want to keep the have nots down......it's the only way they can be superior to anything. Most of them couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel. What about the folks who don't start from a family which is well off?

Tough shit, that's life. Dumbass