Gruber apologizes for his inaccurate remarks

I have a sneaking suspicion that you don't have the faintest idea what a Rockefeller Republican even refers to...

Considering I have been a Ford Republican ever since going to school with Jack (John) Ford, yeah, I have a pretty good idea of what both types were. You are not a Rockefeller guy: he would say, that boy is a liar to you.
 
Was it not you that before the election said that the right would be beaten? Why yes it was. And here you are still trying to show your political prowess. What a crock jake, what a crock.

I said the far right would be beaten. I was right. Look at all the screaming, including you, Freewill. We in the mainstream GOP will never give up stomping on you guys.

You're in the GOP? Seriously? I've never heard you argue any viewpoint on this board that wasn't that of the far Left. Why would you be in the GOP with your beliefs?
Maybe he's and Eisenhower or Goldwater Republican like me...we're bearly recognizable to Republicans today.

Let me illustrate.......

Who said this?

“I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism.”

And how would the Fox News, and Rush, react to that today, if he said it now?

Heck, Toxic...I'm a Rockefeller Republican...conservative on fiscal issues...liberal on social ones...but Jake is so far to the left of me on virtually everything he posts on here that it isn't even funny. It would be like BigReb claiming to be a Progressive.

I seriously doubt that. You are more of a contrarian who hates the left.

Whatever THEY decide, you're against it.

Contrarian? It's amusing, Cabbie but that's EXACTLY how someone described me at a recent Republican get together except she wanted to know why I was always against conservative proposals. Would you like to attend the next meeting and defend my honor as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE?
 
Oldstyle, you better tell us what YOU think is a Rockefeller Republican.
 
Heck, Toxic...I'm a Rockefeller Republican...conservative on fiscal issues...liberal on social ones...but Jake is so far to the left of me on virtually everything he posts on here that it isn't even funny. It would be like BigReb claiming to be a Progressive.

You mean much further right to Rockefeller. You fool no one.

I'm sorry, Jake...but I don't have a clue what you were trying to say with that. Did it make sense to you when you typed it?

(smiles) You are no Rockefeller Republican, son. You are so much further to the right than the northeastern liberal republican establishment.

Really? Let's see...I'm pro choice. I'm an agnostic. I have no problem at all with same sex marriage and I'm in favor of stricter background checks on firearms purchases. That's far right to you?

That's libertarian. Are you a neo-con? Are you a neo-corporatist? Are you a social con without the religion? Are you against the government programs for the poor and needy? Are you a pro-European cultural model?

Yeah, you are much further right.

I'm a Republican. I'm fiscally conservative. I have rather moderate views on social issues. I'm not a "Neo" anything. I believe in common sense governance that puts aside stupid labels like those you just spouted and does what works.
 
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Oldstyle needs to see where he stands on labor unions, government money in education and business, foreign intervention, etc.

The term largely fell out of use by the end of the twentieth century, and has been replaced by the terms "moderate Republican" and, pejoratively, "RINO" (Republican In Name Only).[2] Rockefeller Republicans were typically moderate to center-right, vehemently rejected conservatives like Barry Goldwater and his policies, and were often, but not necessarily, culturally liberal. They espoused government and private investments in environmentalism, healthcare, and higher education as necessities for a better society and economic growth, in the tradition of Rockefeller. In general, Rockefeller Republicans opposed socialism and government ownership. They supported some regulation of business and many New Deal-style social programs . A critical element was their support for labor unions. The building trades, especially, appreciated the heavy spending on infrastructure. In turn, the unions gave these politicians enough support to overcome the anti-union rural element in the Republican Party. As the unions weakened after the 1970s, so too did the need for Republicans to cooperate with them. This transformation played into the hands of the more conservative Republicans, who did not want to collaborate with labor unions in the first place, and now no longer needed to do so carry statewide elections.[3]

In foreign policy, most wanted to use American power in cooperation with allies to fight against the spread of communism. They wanted to help American business expand abroad. Richard Nixon, a moderate establishment Republican within the Party's contemporary ideological framework, but who ran against Rockefeller from the right in 1968 and was widely identified with the cultural right of the time, nevertheless was influenced by this tradition within his party. Nixon set up the Environmental Protection Agency, supported expanded welfare programs, imposed wage and price controls and in 1971 announced he was a Keynesian.[4] Rockefeller Republicans were most common in the Northeast and the West Coast, with their larger liberal constituencies; they were rare in the South and Midwest.[5]
 
A Rockefeller Republican would most likely be described as a RINO these days. It's a moderate. You know...that rare being that no longer exists in the Democratic Party?
 
Heck, Toxic...I'm a Rockefeller Republican...conservative on fiscal issues...liberal on social ones...but Jake is so far to the left of me on virtually everything he posts on here that it isn't even funny. It would be like BigReb claiming to be a Progressive.

You mean much further right to Rockefeller. You fool no one.

I'm sorry, Jake...but I don't have a clue what you were trying to say with that. Did it make sense to you when you typed it?

(smiles) You are no Rockefeller Republican, son. You are so much further to the right than the northeastern liberal republican establishment.

Really? Let's see...I'm pro choice. I'm an agnostic. I have no problem at all with same sex marriage and I'm in favor of stricter background checks on firearms purchases. That's far right to you?

That's libertarian. Are you a neo-con? Are you a neo-corporatist? Are you a social con without the religion? Are you against the government programs for the poor and needy? Are you a pro-European cultural model?

Yeah, you are much further right.






And looky here the so called "Mainstream GOP'r is spouting the Progressive mantra. Repub my ass.
 
Waiting for a reply, Oldstyle, to this.

Who wants to tell me where I differ much from the description below.


Oldstyle needs to see where he stands on labor unions, government money in education and business, foreign intervention, etc.

The term largely fell out of use by the end of the twentieth century, and has been replaced by the terms "moderate Republican" and, pejoratively, "RINO" (Republican In Name Only).[2] Rockefeller Republicans were typically moderate to center-right, vehemently rejected conservatives like Barry Goldwater and his policies, and were often, but not necessarily, culturally liberal. They espoused government and private investments in environmentalism, healthcare, and higher education as necessities for a better society and economic growth, in the tradition of Rockefeller. In general, Rockefeller Republicans opposed socialism and government ownership. They supported some regulation of business and many New Deal-style social programs . A critical element was their support for labor unions. The building trades, especially, appreciated the heavy spending on infrastructure. In turn, the unions gave these politicians enough support to overcome the anti-union rural element in the Republican Party. As the unions weakened after the 1970s, so too did the need for Republicans to cooperate with them. This transformation played into the hands of the more conservative Republicans, who did not want to collaborate with labor unions in the first place, and now no longer needed to do so carry statewide elections.[3]

In foreign policy, most wanted to use American power in cooperation with allies to fight against the spread of communism. They wanted to help American business expand abroad. Richard Nixon, a moderate establishment Republican within the Party's contemporary ideological framework, but who ran against Rockefeller from the right in 1968 and was widely identified with the cultural right of the time, nevertheless was influenced by this tradition within his party. Nixon set up the Environmental Protection Agency, supported expanded welfare programs, imposed wage and price controls and in 1971 announced he was a Keynesian.[4] Rockefeller Republicans were most common in the Northeast and the West Coast, with their larger liberal constituencies; they were rare in the South and Midwest.[5]
 
Waiting for a reply, Oldstyle, to this.

Who wants to tell me where I differ much from the description below.


Oldstyle needs to see where he stands on labor unions, government money in education and business, foreign intervention, etc.

The term largely fell out of use by the end of the twentieth century, and has been replaced by the terms "moderate Republican" and, pejoratively, "RINO" (Republican In Name Only).[2] Rockefeller Republicans were typically moderate to center-right, vehemently rejected conservatives like Barry Goldwater and his policies, and were often, but not necessarily, culturally liberal. They espoused government and private investments in environmentalism, healthcare, and higher education as necessities for a better society and economic growth, in the tradition of Rockefeller. In general, Rockefeller Republicans opposed socialism and government ownership. They supported some regulation of business and many New Deal-style social programs . A critical element was their support for labor unions. The building trades, especially, appreciated the heavy spending on infrastructure. In turn, the unions gave these politicians enough support to overcome the anti-union rural element in the Republican Party. As the unions weakened after the 1970s, so too did the need for Republicans to cooperate with them. This transformation played into the hands of the more conservative Republicans, who did not want to collaborate with labor unions in the first place, and now no longer needed to do so carry statewide elections.[3]

In foreign policy, most wanted to use American power in cooperation with allies to fight against the spread of communism. They wanted to help American business expand abroad. Richard Nixon, a moderate establishment Republican within the Party's contemporary ideological framework, but who ran against Rockefeller from the right in 1968 and was widely identified with the cultural right of the time, nevertheless was influenced by this tradition within his party. Nixon set up the Environmental Protection Agency, supported expanded welfare programs, imposed wage and price controls and in 1971 announced he was a Keynesian.[4] Rockefeller Republicans were most common in the Northeast and the West Coast, with their larger liberal constituencies; they were rare in the South and Midwest.[5]






Ummmmm, in almost every way. You are not a moderate by a long shot.
 
I am off to dine at the most elite gentile club in the city to break bread with men who are primarily Rockefeller and Ford Republicans of the old fold.
 
Waiting for a reply, Oldstyle, to this.

Who wants to tell me where I differ much from the description below.


Oldstyle needs to see where he stands on labor unions, government money in education and business, foreign intervention, etc.

The term largely fell out of use by the end of the twentieth century, and has been replaced by the terms "moderate Republican" and, pejoratively, "RINO" (Republican In Name Only).[2] Rockefeller Republicans were typically moderate to center-right, vehemently rejected conservatives like Barry Goldwater and his policies, and were often, but not necessarily, culturally liberal. They espoused government and private investments in environmentalism, healthcare, and higher education as necessities for a better society and economic growth, in the tradition of Rockefeller. In general, Rockefeller Republicans opposed socialism and government ownership. They supported some regulation of business and many New Deal-style social programs . A critical element was their support for labor unions. The building trades, especially, appreciated the heavy spending on infrastructure. In turn, the unions gave these politicians enough support to overcome the anti-union rural element in the Republican Party. As the unions weakened after the 1970s, so too did the need for Republicans to cooperate with them. This transformation played into the hands of the more conservative Republicans, who did not want to collaborate with labor unions in the first place, and now no longer needed to do so carry statewide elections.[3]

In foreign policy, most wanted to use American power in cooperation with allies to fight against the spread of communism. They wanted to help American business expand abroad. Richard Nixon, a moderate establishment Republican within the Party's contemporary ideological framework, but who ran against Rockefeller from the right in 1968 and was widely identified with the cultural right of the time, nevertheless was influenced by this tradition within his party. Nixon set up the Environmental Protection Agency, supported expanded welfare programs, imposed wage and price controls and in 1971 announced he was a Keynesian.[4] Rockefeller Republicans were most common in the Northeast and the West Coast, with their larger liberal constituencies; they were rare in the South and Midwest.[5]

"In general, Rockefeller Republicans opposed socialism and government ownership."

You would differ from them right THERE, Jakey!
 
I am off to dine at the most elite gentile club in the city to break bread with men who are primarily Rockefeller and Ford Republicans of the old fold.

Accuse someone of racism...get called on it...and run away? You're a class act, Jakey!
 
A racist cartoon from a racist thug

Where is the racism, you subversive THUG?

Vigi follows the SaulAlinksyRule #12, to accuse others of what you are doing.

In other words, you posted a bunch of shit, since that CITIZEN appears to be WHITE! Fakey, you are a child, and I hope a PEA gets caught in your throat at dinner... But that isn't a threat, that's just a hope!
 
I am off to dine at the most elite gentile club in the city to break bread with men who are primarily Rockefeller and Ford Republicans of the old fold.





Sure you are. Keep dreaming Jake.. Enjoy your Jack in the Box!
 

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