Gun control laws don't work....these guys had a rocket propelled grenade, and an aresnal..

[HereWeGoAgain]

How is these guys getting caught before committing the crime an example of them not working? Sorry but this is a great example of them working. Crime did not occur.

Brain...are you dense.....background checks didn't catch these guys, gun registration didn't catch these guys, magazine limits didn't catch these guys, licensing gun owners didn't catch these guys......

None of what you want stopped these guys from getting weapons and a rocket launcher with rockets...or drugs........so no....your gun laws didn't work

My gun laws...the ones that state a felon can't have a gun....is going to work like a charm....they have been arrested....so it worked...and there was no need for "unviersal" background checks, licensing or registration.........

your ideas are stupid.....and had no role in stopping these guys....

Again the laws worked and no crime was commited.

Your comparisons to guns are comical.

Okay brain...you are being deliberately stupid.....these guys did not pass a background check...they did not undergo a background check...so that law was unnecessary to their capture....they are not required to register their illegal guns if they are felons, the Supreme Court said so, so any registration law would not have caught them.....and since they are probably felons the could not get licensed to own any guns, let alone a rocket launcher so licensing did not catch them...

Again....try to be smarter than you post......

I'd be happy if he was smarter than a fence post.

So a stupid person make you look dumb all the time? I fail to see how that would make you feel better.

You couldnt make a demented monkey look stupid.

 

[Brain357]

So they had an illegal item and were caught before commiting a crime. Sounds like the laws worked great.

How about you explain how gun laws had anything to do with the discovery of these two clowns?

It was illegal for them to have the weapons.

And? It's illegal to speed yet people do it all the time and get away with it.
What specific gun law caught these criminals?

There is no and. They got caught because the weapons were illegal for them to have.

They got caught because their weapons were illegal?
Seriously? Stop for a second and consider how stupid that sounds.

You should probably stop posting because nothing smart is ever said.

 

[Brain357]

Brain...are you dense.....background checks didn't catch these guys, gun registration didn't catch these guys, magazine limits didn't catch these guys, licensing gun owners didn't catch these guys......

None of what you want stopped these guys from getting weapons and a rocket launcher with rockets...or drugs........so no....your gun laws didn't work

My gun laws...the ones that state a felon can't have a gun....is going to work like a charm....they have been arrested....so it worked...and there was no need for "unviersal" background checks, licensing or registration.........

your ideas are stupid.....and had no role in stopping these guys....

Again the laws worked and no crime was commited.

Your comparisons to guns are comical.

Okay brain...you are being deliberately stupid.....these guys did not pass a background check...they did not undergo a background check...so that law was unnecessary to their capture....they are not required to register their illegal guns if they are felons, the Supreme Court said so, so any registration law would not have caught them.....and since they are probably felons the could not get licensed to own any guns, let alone a rocket launcher so licensing did not catch them...

Again....try to be smarter than you post......

I'd be happy if he was smarter than a fence post.

So a stupid person make you look dumb all the time? I fail to see how that would make you feel better.

You couldnt make a demented monkey look stupid.

That's funny i proved your claimed defense was false. And it was easy.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So....so much for background checks, gun registration, magazine limits, and licensing law abiding citizens...since they are the ones obeying gun laws it is pointless.....

However...these two thugs probably couldn't pass background checks, and aren't required to register guns because the supreme court says felons do not have to register illegal guns, and something tells me they would not obey magazine limit laws.....

Oh...and they had a rocket propelled grenade launcher.....and you know what....as probable felons....they can't have those either....

Rocket-launcher attack on Fla. police department thwarted - NY Daily News

Authorities say a plot to attack a central Florida police department with a rocket launcher has been foiled, just days before the onslaught was slated to go down.


Monday's planned attack on the Eustis Police Department was thwarted after the arrest of two men and discovery of more than 20 weapons, drugs and bullet proof vests in a shed, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said Monday.


Authorities credited Saturday's arrests to a tip about a rocket-propelled grenade launcher being stored inside a shed.


Capt. James Pogue said a search of that shed recovered 22 firearms, containers of black powder, more than a pound of marijuana, both powdered and crack cocaine, prescription pills, scales, two bulletproof vests and other drugs, the Orlando Sentinel reported.


Eustis Police Chief Fred Cobb was alerted to the plotted attack on Friday and described himself as "blindsided" by its news, MyNews13 reported.


The following day Christopher Conger, 32, and Jeremy Robertson, 29, were arrested and hit with a number of charges. Those include possession of cocaine with intent to sell, grand theft of a firearm, using or displaying a firearm during a felony and wearing a bulletproof vest during certain offenses.


So....no licensing required...these guys were caught with guns...lock them up....no background checks required, they were caught with illegal guns...lock them up....

See....the best gun control laws = lock up criminals who get caught with guns....

Then you don't have to bother law abiding citizens....but of course...that is who you actually want to bother isn't it......

How many crimes commited each year with rocket launchers?

Since you missed the point, rocket launchers are illegal for all citizens, not just felons and apparently these two thugs were able to get them easily......with background check laws firmly in place right now........and considering you can't buy them at the local gun store.....

This whole thread is ridiculous. With your reasoning, if a person intentionally ran over a group of kids, that would mean all traffic laws are a waste of time because they didn't stop that one criminal act. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid.

Than I guess everyone who drives a car is a potential child killer.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

what something like a background check does is prevent someone likely to break a law from being in that position

I don't understand...?

sort of like a the laws that remove a person's license to drive for say a dui.

Different thing.
What you describe here is akin to felons, etc, losing their right to arms upon conviction..
Background checks are then akin to forcing everyone to blow into a breathalizer every time they start their car.

without a background check how do you prevent felons from owning weapons?

We already have background checks...yet criminals still have guns. I fail to see where making another law is going to change that.

 

[Brain357]

what something like a background check does is prevent someone likely to break a law from being in that position

I don't understand...?

sort of like a the laws that remove a person's license to drive for say a dui.

Different thing.
What you describe here is akin to felons, etc, losing their right to arms upon conviction..
Background checks are then akin to forcing everyone to blow into a breathalizer every time they start their car.

without a background check how do you prevent felons from owning weapons?

We already have background checks...yet criminals still have guns. I fail to see where making another law is going to change that.

No background checks for private sales. No registration to track where the guns came from. We have loopholes mostly, not serious laws.

 

[BULLDOG]

So....so much for background checks, gun registration, magazine limits, and licensing law abiding citizens...since they are the ones obeying gun laws it is pointless.....

However...these two thugs probably couldn't pass background checks, and aren't required to register guns because the supreme court says felons do not have to register illegal guns, and something tells me they would not obey magazine limit laws.....

Oh...and they had a rocket propelled grenade launcher.....and you know what....as probable felons....they can't have those either....

Rocket-launcher attack on Fla. police department thwarted - NY Daily News

Authorities say a plot to attack a central Florida police department with a rocket launcher has been foiled, just days before the onslaught was slated to go down.


Monday's planned attack on the Eustis Police Department was thwarted after the arrest of two men and discovery of more than 20 weapons, drugs and bullet proof vests in a shed, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said Monday.


Authorities credited Saturday's arrests to a tip about a rocket-propelled grenade launcher being stored inside a shed.


Capt. James Pogue said a search of that shed recovered 22 firearms, containers of black powder, more than a pound of marijuana, both powdered and crack cocaine, prescription pills, scales, two bulletproof vests and other drugs, the Orlando Sentinel reported.


Eustis Police Chief Fred Cobb was alerted to the plotted attack on Friday and described himself as "blindsided" by its news, MyNews13 reported.


The following day Christopher Conger, 32, and Jeremy Robertson, 29, were arrested and hit with a number of charges. Those include possession of cocaine with intent to sell, grand theft of a firearm, using or displaying a firearm during a felony and wearing a bulletproof vest during certain offenses.


So....no licensing required...these guys were caught with guns...lock them up....no background checks required, they were caught with illegal guns...lock them up....

See....the best gun control laws = lock up criminals who get caught with guns....

Then you don't have to bother law abiding citizens....but of course...that is who you actually want to bother isn't it......

How many crimes commited each year with rocket launchers?

Since you missed the point, rocket launchers are illegal for all citizens, not just felons and apparently these two thugs were able to get them easily......with background check laws firmly in place right now........and considering you can't buy them at the local gun store.....

This whole thread is ridiculous. With your reasoning, if a person intentionally ran over a group of kids, that would mean all traffic laws are a waste of time because they didn't stop that one criminal act. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid.

Than I guess everyone who drives a car is a potential child killer.

Yes. Everyone who drives could potentially run over a child. That's part of the reason we have driving tests. To make sure every driver at least knows the proper way to drive to limit potential wrecks, which includes the possibility of children being run over.

 

[Brain357]

So....so much for background checks, gun registration, magazine limits, and licensing law abiding citizens...since they are the ones obeying gun laws it is pointless.....

However...these two thugs probably couldn't pass background checks, and aren't required to register guns because the supreme court says felons do not have to register illegal guns, and something tells me they would not obey magazine limit laws.....

Oh...and they had a rocket propelled grenade launcher.....and you know what....as probable felons....they can't have those either....

Rocket-launcher attack on Fla. police department thwarted - NY Daily News

Authorities say a plot to attack a central Florida police department with a rocket launcher has been foiled, just days before the onslaught was slated to go down.


Monday's planned attack on the Eustis Police Department was thwarted after the arrest of two men and discovery of more than 20 weapons, drugs and bullet proof vests in a shed, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said Monday.


Authorities credited Saturday's arrests to a tip about a rocket-propelled grenade launcher being stored inside a shed.


Capt. James Pogue said a search of that shed recovered 22 firearms, containers of black powder, more than a pound of marijuana, both powdered and crack cocaine, prescription pills, scales, two bulletproof vests and other drugs, the Orlando Sentinel reported.


Eustis Police Chief Fred Cobb was alerted to the plotted attack on Friday and described himself as "blindsided" by its news, MyNews13 reported.


The following day Christopher Conger, 32, and Jeremy Robertson, 29, were arrested and hit with a number of charges. Those include possession of cocaine with intent to sell, grand theft of a firearm, using or displaying a firearm during a felony and wearing a bulletproof vest during certain offenses.


So....no licensing required...these guys were caught with guns...lock them up....no background checks required, they were caught with illegal guns...lock them up....

See....the best gun control laws = lock up criminals who get caught with guns....

Then you don't have to bother law abiding citizens....but of course...that is who you actually want to bother isn't it......

How many crimes commited each year with rocket launchers?

Since you missed the point, rocket launchers are illegal for all citizens, not just felons and apparently these two thugs were able to get them easily......with background check laws firmly in place right now........and considering you can't buy them at the local gun store.....

This whole thread is ridiculous. With your reasoning, if a person intentionally ran over a group of kids, that would mean all traffic laws are a waste of time because they didn't stop that one criminal act. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid.

Than I guess everyone who drives a car is a potential child killer.

Yes. Everyone who drives could potentially run over a child. That's part of the reason we have driving tests. To make sure every driver at least knows the proper way to drive to limit potential wrecks, which includes the possibility of children being run over.

And cars all are registered and have license plates.

 

[BULLDOG]

How many crimes commited each year with rocket launchers?

Since you missed the point, rocket launchers are illegal for all citizens, not just felons and apparently these two thugs were able to get them easily......with background check laws firmly in place right now........and considering you can't buy them at the local gun store.....

This whole thread is ridiculous. With your reasoning, if a person intentionally ran over a group of kids, that would mean all traffic laws are a waste of time because they didn't stop that one criminal act. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid.

Than I guess everyone who drives a car is a potential child killer.

Yes. Everyone who drives could potentially run over a child. That's part of the reason we have driving tests. To make sure every driver at least knows the proper way to drive to limit potential wrecks, which includes the possibility of children being run over.

And cars all are registered and have license plates.

Again with the dumb crap. Registration or license plates have nothing to do with the subject. I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

Universal background checks are impossible to enforce w/o universal registration.
Thinking supporters of UBC know this, which is why they support UBC.
The rest of you are simply their useful idiots.

 

[Brain357]

Since you missed the point, rocket launchers are illegal for all citizens, not just felons and apparently these two thugs were able to get them easily......with background check laws firmly in place right now........and considering you can't buy them at the local gun store.....

This whole thread is ridiculous. With your reasoning, if a person intentionally ran over a group of kids, that would mean all traffic laws are a waste of time because they didn't stop that one criminal act. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid.

Than I guess everyone who drives a car is a potential child killer.

Yes. Everyone who drives could potentially run over a child. That's part of the reason we have driving tests. To make sure every driver at least knows the proper way to drive to limit potential wrecks, which includes the possibility of children being run over.

And cars all are registered and have license plates.

Again with the dumb crap. Registration or license plates have nothing to do with the subject. I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

I was stating it is good cars are registered. I think guns should be also.

 

[ogibillm]

i do believe i should have a license - sort of like a background check.

No. Its not. The license ensure that you have passed a minimum requirement to exercise the state-issued privilege to drive, not prevent you from doing so illegally.

Again: Even though you do not have a DUI, do you believe you should be forced to blow into a breathalizer every time you want to start your car?

the background check prevents felons from getting guns. or it would, if it were universally applied.

Incorrect -- you're arguing that a felon will break the law with regard to selling/buying/owning a gun, but not break the law with resepct to having a background check. Surely you see how silly that is.

The laws against felons owning guns is not there to prevent felons form getting guns, but to punish them when they do.

I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

Universal background checks are impossible to enforce w/o universal registration.
Thinking supporters of UBC know this, which is why they support UBC.
The rest of you are simply their useful idiots.

what's the problem with registration?

 

[LOki]

This whole thread is ridiculous. With your reasoning, if a person intentionally ran over a group of kids, that would mean all traffic laws are a waste of time because they didn't stop that one criminal act. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid.

Than I guess everyone who drives a car is a potential child killer.

Yes. Everyone who drives could potentially run over a child. That's part of the reason we have driving tests. To make sure every driver at least knows the proper way to drive to limit potential wrecks, which includes the possibility of children being run over.

And cars all are registered and have license plates.

Again with the dumb crap. Registration or license plates have nothing to do with the subject. I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

I was stating it is good cars are registered. I think guns should be also.

You may have a point.

 

[LOki]

i do believe i should have a license - sort of like a background check.

No. Its not. The license ensure that you have passed a minimum requirement to exercise the state-issued privilege to drive, not prevent you from doing so illegally.

Again: Even though you do not have a DUI, do you believe you should be forced to blow into a breathalizer every time you want to start your car?

the background check prevents felons from getting guns. or it would, if it were universally applied.

Incorrect -- you're arguing that a felon will break the law with regard to selling/buying/owning a gun, but not break the law with resepct to having a background check. Surely you see how silly that is.

The laws against felons owning guns is not there to prevent felons form getting guns, but to punish them when they do.

I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

Universal background checks are impossible to enforce w/o universal registration.
Thinking supporters of UBC know this, which is why they support UBC.
The rest of you are simply their useful idiots.

what's the problem with registration?

Registration is only for confiscation of guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

 

[ogibillm]

i do believe i should have a license - sort of like a background check.

No. Its not. The license ensure that you have passed a minimum requirement to exercise the state-issued privilege to drive, not prevent you from doing so illegally.

Again: Even though you do not have a DUI, do you believe you should be forced to blow into a breathalizer every time you want to start your car?

the background check prevents felons from getting guns. or it would, if it were universally applied.

Incorrect -- you're arguing that a felon will break the law with regard to selling/buying/owning a gun, but not break the law with resepct to having a background check. Surely you see how silly that is.

The laws against felons owning guns is not there to prevent felons form getting guns, but to punish them when they do.

I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

Universal background checks are impossible to enforce w/o universal registration.
Thinking supporters of UBC know this, which is why they support UBC.
The rest of you are simply their useful idiots.

what's the problem with registration?

Registration is only for confiscation of guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

hmm. i registered my car. i still own it. registered my dogs. nobody has confiscated them. registered my property... still own it.

registration and confiscation seem to be different things - how do you conclude they are the same?

 

[LOki]

i do believe i should have a license - sort of like a background check.

No. Its not. The license ensure that you have passed a minimum requirement to exercise the state-issued privilege to drive, not prevent you from doing so illegally.

Again: Even though you do not have a DUI, do you believe you should be forced to blow into a breathalizer every time you want to start your car?

the background check prevents felons from getting guns. or it would, if it were universally applied.

Incorrect -- you're arguing that a felon will break the law with regard to selling/buying/owning a gun, but not break the law with resepct to having a background check. Surely you see how silly that is.

The laws against felons owning guns is not there to prevent felons form getting guns, but to punish them when they do.

I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

Universal background checks are impossible to enforce w/o universal registration.
Thinking supporters of UBC know this, which is why they support UBC.
The rest of you are simply their useful idiots.

what's the problem with registration?

Registration is only for confiscation of guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

hmm. i registered my car. i still own it. registered my dogs. nobody has confiscated them. registered my property... still own it.

registration and confiscation seem to be different things - how do you conclude they are the same?

I don't.

Thanks for playing, Mr. Presumpto.

 

[ogibillm]

I don't.

i do believe i should have a license - sort of like a background check.

No. Its not. The license ensure that you have passed a minimum requirement to exercise the state-issued privilege to drive, not prevent you from doing so illegally.

Again: Even though you do not have a DUI, do you believe you should be forced to blow into a breathalizer every time you want to start your car?

the background check prevents felons from getting guns. or it would, if it were universally applied.

Incorrect -- you're arguing that a felon will break the law with regard to selling/buying/owning a gun, but not break the law with resepct to having a background check. Surely you see how silly that is.

The laws against felons owning guns is not there to prevent felons form getting guns, but to punish them when they do.

I know you are trying to somehow claim that registration would be required for background checks, but that has been proven to be crap long ago. The NRA is lying to you.

Universal background checks are impossible to enforce w/o universal registration.
Thinking supporters of UBC know this, which is why they support UBC.
The rest of you are simply their useful idiots.

what's the problem with registration?

Registration is only for confiscation of guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

hmm. i registered my car. i still own it. registered my dogs. nobody has confiscated them. registered my property... still own it.

registration and confiscation seem to be different things - how do you conclude they are the same?

I don't.

Thanks for playing, Mr. Presumpto.

"registration is only for confiscation"
how do you reach that conclusion if registration does not mean confiscation?

are they not separate issues?

 

[LOki]

I don't.

No. Its not. The license ensure that you have passed a minimum requirement to exercise the state-issued privilege to drive, not prevent you from doing so illegally.

Again: Even though you do not have a DUI, do you believe you should be forced to blow into a breathalizer every time you want to start your car?
Incorrect -- you're arguing that a felon will break the law with regard to selling/buying/owning a gun, but not break the law with resepct to having a background check. Surely you see how silly that is.

The laws against felons owning guns is not there to prevent felons form getting guns, but to punish them when they do.

Universal background checks are impossible to enforce w/o universal registration.
Thinking supporters of UBC know this, which is why they support UBC.
The rest of you are simply their useful idiots.

what's the problem with registration?

Registration is only for confiscation of guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

hmm. i registered my car. i still own it. registered my dogs. nobody has confiscated them. registered my property... still own it.

registration and confiscation seem to be different things - how do you conclude they are the same?

I don't.

Thanks for playing, Mr. Presumpto.

"registration is only for confiscation"
how do you reach that conclusion if registration does not mean confiscation?

are they not separate issues?

They are separate.

The same way that paint brushes are not painting, registration is not confiscation.

Gun registration is only for confiscating guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

 

[ogibillm]

I don't.

what's the problem with registration?

Registration is only for confiscation of guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

hmm. i registered my car. i still own it. registered my dogs. nobody has confiscated them. registered my property... still own it.

registration and confiscation seem to be different things - how do you conclude they are the same?

I don't.

Thanks for playing, Mr. Presumpto.

"registration is only for confiscation"
how do you reach that conclusion if registration does not mean confiscation?

are they not separate issues?

They are separate.

The same way that paint brushes are not painting, registration is not confiscation.

Gun registration is only for confiscating guns from those who have done nothing wrong.

you state that, but that doesn't make it true.
lots of things get registered that are never confiscated, why would it be different with guns?
if guns had to be registered and sold with a title, much like a car, do you not believe it would be easier to keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So....so much for background checks, gun registration, magazine limits, and licensing law abiding citizens...since they are the ones obeying gun laws it is pointless.....

However...these two thugs probably couldn't pass background checks, and aren't required to register guns because the supreme court says felons do not have to register illegal guns, and something tells me they would not obey magazine limit laws.....

Oh...and they had a rocket propelled grenade launcher.....and you know what....as probable felons....they can't have those either....

Rocket-launcher attack on Fla. police department thwarted - NY Daily News

Authorities say a plot to attack a central Florida police department with a rocket launcher has been foiled, just days before the onslaught was slated to go down.


Monday's planned attack on the Eustis Police Department was thwarted after the arrest of two men and discovery of more than 20 weapons, drugs and bullet proof vests in a shed, the Marion County Sheriff's Office said Monday.


Authorities credited Saturday's arrests to a tip about a rocket-propelled grenade launcher being stored inside a shed.


Capt. James Pogue said a search of that shed recovered 22 firearms, containers of black powder, more than a pound of marijuana, both powdered and crack cocaine, prescription pills, scales, two bulletproof vests and other drugs, the Orlando Sentinel reported.


Eustis Police Chief Fred Cobb was alerted to the plotted attack on Friday and described himself as "blindsided" by its news, MyNews13 reported.


The following day Christopher Conger, 32, and Jeremy Robertson, 29, were arrested and hit with a number of charges. Those include possession of cocaine with intent to sell, grand theft of a firearm, using or displaying a firearm during a felony and wearing a bulletproof vest during certain offenses.


So....no licensing required...these guys were caught with guns...lock them up....no background checks required, they were caught with illegal guns...lock them up....

See....the best gun control laws = lock up criminals who get caught with guns....

Then you don't have to bother law abiding citizens....but of course...that is who you actually want to bother isn't it......

How many crimes commited each year with rocket launchers?

Since you missed the point, rocket launchers are illegal for all citizens, not just felons and apparently these two thugs were able to get them easily......with background check laws firmly in place right now........and considering you can't buy them at the local gun store.....

This whole thread is ridiculous. With your reasoning, if a person intentionally ran over a group of kids, that would mean all traffic laws are a waste of time because they didn't stop that one criminal act. You are either intentionally obtuse or stupid.

Than I guess everyone who drives a car is a potential child killer.

Yes. Everyone who drives could potentially run over a child. That's part of the reason we have driving tests. To make sure every driver at least knows the proper way to drive to limit potential wrecks, which includes the possibility of children being run over.

So? According to the post I was responding to all gun owners are potential killers. Even those with CHLs.