Gun deaths now leading cause of death for children in America.

[2aguy]

They are.



May it be you did not read the source you gave to me? The numbers of murdered people went down 17%. The alternative had been the numbers had grown.



So what? Do you think I will make now the values and guns of criminals to my own values and guns?



Again the problem with such war weapons: When someone will start to fire with such a war weapon then ... do I really have to explain this to you again and again and again and again and again ??? ... then many people will die, even in case everywhere in the near are well trained policemen on standby for a scramble. Such "allmighty" weapons for absolute worst stupid idiots give nobody any chance.

American criminals are not using rifles, for the most part, let alone military rifles.....the only ones who actually use military rifles, fully automatic "machine guns," are the criminals in Europe.....they are the weapon of choice of criminals in Europe....

Tell us....are "machine guns," legal in Europe? Or is it only legal for criminals and terrorists to use them?

 

[Blues Man]

... and learn to read and to think at all before you "argue". Guns don't help you anything at all in this context, anti-Christian.

Good thing I'm not Christian.

 

[Lesh]

They are not weapons of war.

Of course they are. Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

The ban didn’t do anything since criminals don’t tend to use rifles in the U.S.

It lowered the number of mass shootings...which was the point

In Europe, where you live, criminals use actual weapons of war…..in France and Sweden in particular…

How many exactly?

 

[Lesh]

Incidentally...Europe...with a population 2X that of the US has about 7,000 gun deaths [per year

The US has 45,000

 

[Blues Man]

Of course they are. Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

It lowered the number of mass shootings...which was the point

How many exactly?

Tell what weapon at some point in time has not been used in war?

Shit hands and feet, rocks, sticks, clubs, swords, knives, bows arrows etc etc etc are all "weapons of war"

So the term while great for ginning up the morons is utterly devoid of meaning.

 

[Blues Man]

Incidentally...Europe...with a population 2X that of the US has about 7,000 gun deaths [per year

The US has 45,000

Suicides don't count

 

[Lesh]

Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

Tell what weapon at some point in time has not been used in war?

Hardly the issue. Our entire military is armed with versions of that particular weapon

 

[Lesh]

Suicides don't count

A. The EU figure includes suicides as does the number of US gun deaths

B. They certainly DO count

 

[2aguy]

Of course they are. Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

It lowered the number of mass shootings...which was the point

How many exactly?

No...they aren't....pump action shotguns, and bolt action rifles are actual, current military weapons....the AR-15 has never been a military weapon.

 

[2aguy]

Of course they are. Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

It lowered the number of mass shootings...which was the point

How many exactly?

No, actually, it didn't....why do you guys keep lying when it is easily shown that you are lying?

The Study from 2004...

• The decline in the use of AWs has been due primarily to a reduction in the use of assault pistols (APs), which are used in crime more commonly than assault rifles (ARs). There has not been a clear decline in the use of ARs, though assessments are complicated by the rarity of crimes with these weapons and by substitution of post-ban rifles that are very similar to the banned AR models.
  
  
  
  1. It is Premature to Make Definitive Assessments of the Ban’s Impact on Gun Crime
  2. • Because the ban has not yet reduced the use of LCMs in crime, we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. However, the ban’s exemption of millions of pre-ban AWs and LCMs ensured that the effects
     
     
     • Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban. LCMs are involved in a more substantial share of gun crimes, but it is not clear how often the outcomes of gun attacks depend on the ability of offenders to fire more than ten shots (the current magazine capacity limit) without reloading.

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

 

[2aguy]

Of course they are. Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

It lowered the number of mass shootings...which was the point

How many exactly?

No....

One moment, please...

 

[2aguy]

Of course they are. Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

It lowered the number of mass shootings...which was the point

How many exactly?

Sweden....

Criminologist Joakim Sturup told Swedish Television that a major reason behind the worrying statistics is that automatic weapons are becoming more commonly used by gang members.​

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https://www.daijiworld.com/news/newsDisplay.aspx?newsID=786371​

https://www.rt.com/news/514335-sweden-violence-shootings-increase/​

Sweden recorded a surge in gun-related violence last year, according to new figures released by the government amid accusations that authorities have turned a blind eye to rising crime in the country.​

Interior Minister Mikael Damberg disclosed on Monday that 47 people were killed and 117 injured in 366 shooting incidents in 2020, marking a 10 percent increase in gun violence when compared to statistics from 2019.​

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Damberg noted that in nearly half of the shootings registered last year, someone was injured or killed. “We will neither accept nor get used to such high levels of violence,” he said.​

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The situation in Malmo, a city with a large migrant population that has struggled with gang violence, has improved, while crime is surging in Stockholm, the interior minister pointed out.​

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According to Damberg, the Swedish capital saw a staggering 79 percent increase in shootings in 2020.​

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Most of the violent incidents occurred in 60 suburbs across the country identified by police as “vulnerable” areas. Damberg said that while 5.4 percent of Sweden’s population live in such neighborhoods, they account for more than half of the nation’s fatal shootings.​

 

[2aguy]

Of course they are. Our entire military is armed with one version of them or another

It lowered the number of mass shootings...which was the point

How many exactly?

France....

Paris attacks highlight France's gun control problems

The arsenal of weapons deployed by the eight attackers who terrorised Paris on Friday night underlined France’s gun control problems and raised the spectre of further attacks.

The country has extremely strict weapons laws, but Europe’s open borders and growing trade in illegal weapons means assault rifles are relatively easy to come by on the black market.


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A police investigation is underway after two people were shot dead, and a third burnt alive on Saturday evening in the southern French city of Marseille. It's the fourth death linked to gun violence this week, a phenomenon which the Mayor Benoît Payan says is out of control.

"In Marseille, you can buy a Kalachnikov as easy as buying a pain au chocolat," he said.

"This has to stop, and the Interior Minister, who is aware of the problem, must make it a key objective."
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"If people are being killed by Kalachnikov rifles, it's because they are too easily sold throughout the city."



Three dead in Marseille shootout: 'guns are too easy to buy' says mayor

Reports of 'heavy gunfire' on the streets of French city of Nimes | Daily Mail Online

Machine-gun shots have been heard on the streets of a French city this evening as it was claimed a 'shootout' took place between rival gangs.

Repeated 'heavy gunfire' bursts were let off in the city of Nimes in southern France after armed men were seen in the area.

 

[2aguy]

Incidentally...Europe...with a population 2X that of the US has about 7,000 gun deaths [per year

The US has 45,000

The majority of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides...about 10,000 gun murders a year......the majority are from criminals murdering other criminals.........

 

[2aguy]

Hardly the issue. Our entire military is armed with versions of that particular weapon

No...they are not.....

 

[9thIDdoc]

jc456 and @9thlDdoc

Learn what "funny" really means.

Why? You're the one who can't speak or understand English. Every time someone makes a point you whine about " I don't understand!" like somehow that's anybody's fault but your own. This a discussion site. Maybe you should post on one where they speak your native language. Maybe you could participate in an intelligent conversation there. You obviously can't here and trying to learn English just isn't working for you.

 

[Blues Man]

Hardly the issue. Our entire military is armed with versions of that particular weapon

The term "weapon of war" is utterly meaningless.

Fists are "weapons of war"

 

[Blues Man]

A. The EU figure includes suicides as does the number of US gun deaths

B. They certainly DO count

Suicide is a choice that every single person has the absolute right to make.

So no they do not count

 

[Lesh]

Suicide is a choice that every single person has the absolute right to make.

So no they do not count

The fuck they don't.

A. Talk to the families of suicide and you'll be straightened out right quick

B. Many murders are committed by people intent on suicide as well

 

[Lesh]

The majority of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides...about 10,000 gun murders a year......the majority are from criminals murdering other criminals.........

Hey stupid...that super low number of gun deaths in Europe (with twice the population of the US) INCLUDES suicide.